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Postby Niur » Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:32 pm

Yootopia wrote:
Niur wrote:To answer 12.

I'm sorry, but that's nothing like fifty, the magic number at which point God could not have been responsible for evolution because he can't micromanage to that level.

Wiedersheim did a list of about 90 I think. No it was 86 actually.
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Postby Denecaep » Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:36 pm

Denecaep wrote:Ooh! I'll send him an e-mail.

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Hey, I took your quiz! Maybe you'll be interested in my answers. I think I got a 100!

1. Which evolved first, male or female?
Evolution is not a process that occurs in individuals. It happens over a very long time. It has to do with the gradual changing of a species, not individuals. Each generation is slightly different than the last, usually because certain traits help certain species survive. A certain gender can't "evolve" first. It happens as a species, not individually.

2. How many millions of years elapsed between the first male and first female?
See #1.

3. List at least 9 of the false assumptions made with radioactive dating methods.
A large amount of the dating methods used to prove evolution aren't even radioactive testing. They commonly test how old something is by the amount of certain types of carbon. Because it decays, the less carbon, the older it is. I don't see the major flaws in that.

4. Why hasn't any extinct creature re-evolved after millions of years?
When a creature is extinct, it no longer exists. Most of the time, that means that that path of evolution has ended. However, when an extinct creature does have decendants (a few lizards have been traced back to dinosaurs), then there is no reason for it to eventually evolve back into what it was originally. Evolution carries traits that help a species survive. If a species went extinct, then obviously its traits didn't work out too well for it.

5. Which came first:
...the eye,
...the eyelid,
...the eyebrow,
...the eye sockets,
...the eye muscles,
...the eye lashes,
...the tear ducts,
...the brain's interpretation of light?
All of these questions aren't even remotely reasonable. A species doesn't gradually get different body parts one after the other. Most of what has happened in evolution is the CHANGING of body parts, not the addition of new ones. Species have gained body parts from time to time, but it takes millions of years. And it varies from species to species. For example, if there are two groups of the same rat, ones with tear ducts, and ones without, the ones with tear ducts might survive more often, and gradually, that species of rats will have tear ducts.

6. How many millions of years between each in question 5?
See #5. Not an entirely valid question.

7. If we all evolved from a common ancestor, why can't all the different species mate with one another and produce fertile offspring?
If you are referring to the fact that we came from the same thing billions of years ago, the reason we can't mate is because we have changed so much, and we have split up and taken different paths of evolution.

8. List any of the millions of creatures in just five stages of its evolution showing the progression of a new organ of any kind. When you have done this, you can collect the millions of dollars in rewards offered for proof of evolution!
Why is this necessary to prove evolution? Often, new organs don't just appear, they evolve from other organs. But once again, why does evolution require the creation of new organs?

9. Why is it that the very things that would prove Evolution (transitional forms) are still missing?
Transitional forms have been found in many species. For example, the transition between the Pakicetus and the Gray whale is the Aetiocetus. The Gray whale has nostrils at the top of the skull. The Pakicetus has nostrils at the bottom. Not surprisingly, the Aetiocetus has nostrils in the middle.

10. Explain why something as complex as human life could happen by chance, but something as simple as a coin must have a creator. (Show your math solution.)
Math solution? And manufactured coins have nothing to do with living humans. Human life happened because successful traits have been carried through evolution. And what if human life hadn't been the result? It would have been something else, and a member of that species still would be like you, saying, "what's the chance we were formed?" The question doesn't make sense when you get down to it.

11. Why aren't any fossils or coal or oil being formed today?
They are... it is a very long process. It takes longer than we have been around to record that progression.

12. List 50 vestigial or useless organs or appendages in the human body.
Why do we need 50? Even just one is a good example, such as the appendix. The appendix is completely useless to us, however, studies have shown that for other primates, it is an important organ.

13. Why hasn't anyone collected the millions of dollars in rewards for proof of evolution?
Because there are still too many ignorant people like you that convince a percentage of the population from believing it, citing "religion" as your source.

14. If life began hundreds of millions of years ago, why is the earth still under populated?
First of all: What the heck are you talking about. Since when is the Earth still underpopulated? And also, things DIE. Species go extinct, environments change. Life population has not always grown in every instance.

15. Why hasn't evolution duplicated all species on all continents?
You don't understand evolution at all. Why in the world would evolution do that? Do you think evolution is some sentinent being? Wow, you're right. A sentinent being making all those actions does seem a little ridiculous... but wait. That's YOUR belief.


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Postby Yootopia » Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:38 pm

Denecaep wrote:Darn "last post of the page gets ignored" syndrome. Repost.

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Postby Daistallia 2104 » Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:39 pm

Denecaep wrote:
Denecaep wrote:Ooh! I'll send him an e-mail.

To: imsostupid@idiot.dumb

Hey, I took your quiz! Maybe you'll be interested in my answers. I think I got a 100!

1. Which evolved first, male or female?
Evolution is not a process that occurs in individuals. It happens over a very long time. It has to do with the gradual changing of a species, not individuals. Each generation is slightly different than the last, usually because certain traits help certain species survive. A certain gender can't "evolve" first. It happens as a species, not individually.

2. How many millions of years elapsed between the first male and first female?
See #1.

3. List at least 9 of the false assumptions made with radioactive dating methods.
A large amount of the dating methods used to prove evolution aren't even radioactive testing. They commonly test how old something is by the amount of certain types of carbon. Because it decays, the less carbon, the older it is. I don't see the major flaws in that.

4. Why hasn't any extinct creature re-evolved after millions of years?
When a creature is extinct, it no longer exists. Most of the time, that means that that path of evolution has ended. However, when an extinct creature does have decendants (a few lizards have been traced back to dinosaurs), then there is no reason for it to eventually evolve back into what it was originally. Evolution carries traits that help a species survive. If a species went extinct, then obviously its traits didn't work out too well for it.

5. Which came first:
...the eye,
...the eyelid,
...the eyebrow,
...the eye sockets,
...the eye muscles,
...the eye lashes,
...the tear ducts,
...the brain's interpretation of light?
All of these questions aren't even remotely reasonable. A species doesn't gradually get different body parts one after the other. Most of what has happened in evolution is the CHANGING of body parts, not the addition of new ones. Species have gained body parts from time to time, but it takes millions of years. And it varies from species to species. For example, if there are two groups of the same rat, ones with tear ducts, and ones without, the ones with tear ducts might survive more often, and gradually, that species of rats will have tear ducts.

6. How many millions of years between each in question 5?
See #5. Not an entirely valid question.

7. If we all evolved from a common ancestor, why can't all the different species mate with one another and produce fertile offspring?
If you are referring to the fact that we came from the same thing billions of years ago, the reason we can't mate is because we have changed so much, and we have split up and taken different paths of evolution.

8. List any of the millions of creatures in just five stages of its evolution showing the progression of a new organ of any kind. When you have done this, you can collect the millions of dollars in rewards offered for proof of evolution!
Why is this necessary to prove evolution? Often, new organs don't just appear, they evolve from other organs. But once again, why does evolution require the creation of new organs?

9. Why is it that the very things that would prove Evolution (transitional forms) are still missing?
Transitional forms have been found in many species. For example, the transition between the Pakicetus and the Gray whale is the Aetiocetus. The Gray whale has nostrils at the top of the skull. The Pakicetus has nostrils at the bottom. Not surprisingly, the Aetiocetus has nostrils in the middle.

10. Explain why something as complex as human life could happen by chance, but something as simple as a coin must have a creator. (Show your math solution.)
Math solution? And manufactured coins have nothing to do with living humans. Human life happened because successful traits have been carried through evolution. And what if human life hadn't been the result? It would have been something else, and a member of that species still would be like you, saying, "what's the chance we were formed?" The question doesn't make sense when you get down to it.

11. Why aren't any fossils or coal or oil being formed today?
They are... it is a very long process. It takes longer than we have been around to record that progression.

12. List 50 vestigial or useless organs or appendages in the human body.
Why do we need 50? Even just one is a good example, such as the appendix. The appendix is completely useless to us, however, studies have shown that for other primates, it is an important organ.

13. Why hasn't anyone collected the millions of dollars in rewards for proof of evolution?
Because there are still too many ignorant people like you that convince a percentage of the population from believing it, citing "religion" as your source.

14. If life began hundreds of millions of years ago, why is the earth still under populated?
First of all: What the heck are you talking about. Since when is the Earth still underpopulated? And also, things DIE. Species go extinct, environments change. Life population has not always grown in every instance.

15. Why hasn't evolution duplicated all species on all continents?
You don't understand evolution at all. Why in the world would evolution do that? Do you think evolution is some sentinent being? Wow, you're right. A sentinent being making all those actions does seem a little ridiculous... but wait. That's YOUR belief.


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Postby Allbeama » Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:39 pm

Niur wrote:
The Adrian Empire wrote:I quite like question five, anyone care to answer it, because the secular side of my brain is frankly stumped

Darwin explained it and answered it thouroughly in the origin of species, which I doubt the author has eveer even heard of much less read.

Or he considers it to be as vile as the Necronomicon.
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Postby DaWoad » Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:40 pm

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Sarkhaan wrote:
Buffett and Colbert wrote:The fact that the author of this bullshit thinks that a male or female had to evolve first in a species for evolution to work is sad... Niur, a biologist could explain this to you much better than I can, but sex chromosomes are what make evolution possible. Without birth and rebirth in a species, nothing would change (obviously). One sex couldn't have evolved without the other. Period. That is why we don't see "monosex" (I feel there is a word for that, but I can't remember what it is) species (unless they have some mechanism to fertilise their own eggs). The author also assumes that different parts of the body had to evolve one at a time, which is dumb.

Nope. Check how single cell life still reproduces to this day. It's via mitosis rather than meiosis and sexual reproduction.

Your making a broad assumption. Some single celled organisms do reproduce sexually, albeit in a much different manner than humans.

Okay. The vast majority of single celled organisms reproduce asexually. Point still stands, despite a minor issue. Given that mitosis was the only method of reproduction for much of life history, evolution is fully possible without birth and sex.

err. most single celled organisms do reproduce via mitosis but that doesn't suggest a lack of trading of genetic information. See plasmids for an example of this. In others they can be affected by the genetic information of their host cell (viruses) or are so simple that the rate of mutation is much higher(due to a lack of protection against it).
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15. Why hasn't evolution duplicated all species on all continents?

4. Why hasn't any extinct creature re-evolved after millions of years?

:rofl:

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Haiz wrote:http://missinguniversemuseum.com/Exhibit1.htm

:P

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That was my reaction to the page.
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Postby Takaram » Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:44 pm

I really hope the author of this definitive "test" was not being serious. If they honestly think that this is a deathblow to evolution, I think I shall have to cry. Half of the questions make absolutely no sense, and all of them run completely contrary to evolution by natural selection as it is currently understood.

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Postby DaWoad » Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:45 pm

Takaram wrote:I really hope the author of this definitive "test" was not being serious. If they honestly think that this is a deathblow to evolution, I think I shall have to cry. Half of the questions make absolutely no sense, and all of them run completely contrary to evolution by natural selection as it is currently understood.

you should see his proof that dinosaurs and humans lived together. it's "awesome"
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Postby Niur » Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:45 pm

Haiz wrote:http://missinguniversemuseum.com/Exhibit1.htm

:P

Its funny that in the last part his argument does more to support evolution than it does to support god.
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:45 pm

DaWoad wrote:
Takaram wrote:I really hope the author of this definitive "test" was not being serious. If they honestly think that this is a deathblow to evolution, I think I shall have to cry. Half of the questions make absolutely no sense, and all of them run completely contrary to evolution by natural selection as it is currently understood.

you should see his proof that dinosaurs and humans lived together. it's "awesome"

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Postby Takaram » Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:46 pm

DaWoad wrote:
Takaram wrote:I really hope the author of this definitive "test" was not being serious. If they honestly think that this is a deathblow to evolution, I think I shall have to cry. Half of the questions make absolutely no sense, and all of them run completely contrary to evolution by natural selection as it is currently understood.

you should see his proof that dinosaurs and humans lived together. it's "awesome"


Raptor Jesus?

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Postby Niur » Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:47 pm

DaWoad wrote:
Takaram wrote:I really hope the author of this definitive "test" was not being serious. If they honestly think that this is a deathblow to evolution, I think I shall have to cry. Half of the questions make absolutely no sense, and all of them run completely contrary to evolution by natural selection as it is currently understood.

you should see his proof that dinosaurs and humans lived together. it's "awesome"

This is a funny page too
http://missinguniversemuseum.com/Reward.htm
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Postby Carls-land » Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:47 pm

i think that guy needs to go to re-education camp. obviously, his first education failed, if he even had one.

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Postby Daistallia 2104 » Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:47 pm

Haiz wrote:http://missinguniversemuseum.com/Exhibit1.htm

:P


This was especially entertaining.

COMPARISON AND PREDICTIONS OF THE TWO MODELS:
CREATION EVOLUTION
A Finished Act An Ongoing Process
Zero Transitions Trillions Of Transitions
Zero Vestigial Organs Trillions Of Vestigial Organs
Decreasing Species Increasing Species
Purpose/Intelligence Random/Chance
Will Be Missing Links Species Will Blend Together
Fossils Lived At Same Time Fossils Show Progression
World Under-Populated World Over-Populated
Permanent Extinction Temporary Extinction
Probably Young Earth Requires Old Earth
Was Oxygen Atmosphere Was Reducing Atmosphere
Rapid Catastrophe Slow, Uniform Processes
Fossils Buried Alive Fossils Died, Then Buried
Mutations Are Harmful Mutations Are Beneficial
Fossils Are Abundant Fossils Are Rare
Limited Coal And Oil Renewable Coal And Oil
Isolated Species Same Species Globally
Clocks Are Always Created Clocks Can Evolve!


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Postby Niur » Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:48 pm

Takaram wrote:
DaWoad wrote:
Takaram wrote:I really hope the author of this definitive "test" was not being serious. If they honestly think that this is a deathblow to evolution, I think I shall have to cry. Half of the questions make absolutely no sense, and all of them run completely contrary to evolution by natural selection as it is currently understood.

you should see his proof that dinosaurs and humans lived together. it's "awesome"


Raptor Jesus?

More like Raptor Job.
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Postby Daistallia 2104 » Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:50 pm

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:
DaWoad wrote:
Takaram wrote:I really hope the author of this definitive "test" was not being serious. If they honestly think that this is a deathblow to evolution, I think I shall have to cry. Half of the questions make absolutely no sense, and all of them run completely contrary to evolution by natural selection as it is currently understood.

you should see his proof that dinosaurs and humans lived together. it's "awesome"

Where is it?


http://www.missinguniversemuseum.com/Exhibit4a.htm
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Postby Niur » Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:51 pm

He even has a pagewith an email adress on it. Hilarious, simply hilarious.
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Postby Takaram » Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:52 pm

Daistallia 2104 wrote:
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:
DaWoad wrote:
Takaram wrote:I really hope the author of this definitive "test" was not being serious. If they honestly think that this is a deathblow to evolution, I think I shall have to cry. Half of the questions make absolutely no sense, and all of them run completely contrary to evolution by natural selection as it is currently understood.

you should see his proof that dinosaurs and humans lived together. it's "awesome"

Where is it?


http://www.missinguniversemuseum.com/Exhibit4a.htm


*Facedesks*

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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:54 pm

Takaram wrote:
Daistallia 2104 wrote:
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:
DaWoad wrote:
Takaram wrote:I really hope the author of this definitive "test" was not being serious. If they honestly think that this is a deathblow to evolution, I think I shall have to cry. Half of the questions make absolutely no sense, and all of them run completely contrary to evolution by natural selection as it is currently understood.

you should see his proof that dinosaurs and humans lived together. it's "awesome"

Where is it?


http://www.missinguniversemuseum.com/Exhibit4a.htm


*Facedesks*

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Postby Takaram » Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:56 pm

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Takaram wrote:
Daistallia 2104 wrote:
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DaWoad wrote:
Takaram wrote:I really hope the author of this definitive "test" was not being serious. If they honestly think that this is a deathblow to evolution, I think I shall have to cry. Half of the questions make absolutely no sense, and all of them run completely contrary to evolution by natural selection as it is currently understood.

you should see his proof that dinosaurs and humans lived together. it's "awesome"

Where is it?


http://www.missinguniversemuseum.com/Exhibit4a.htm


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Postby TerraPublica » Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:56 pm

Niur wrote:
Yootopia wrote:
Buffett and Colbert wrote:I was thinking in terms of organisms with more than one cell.

Some species of insect also reproduce by mitosis if no sexual partners are around / they have a headache.

Aphids are born pregnant.


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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:56 pm

Takaram wrote:
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:
Takaram wrote:
Daistallia 2104 wrote:
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:
DaWoad wrote:
Takaram wrote:I really hope the author of this definitive "test" was not being serious. If they honestly think that this is a deathblow to evolution, I think I shall have to cry. Half of the questions make absolutely no sense, and all of them run completely contrary to evolution by natural selection as it is currently understood.

you should see his proof that dinosaurs and humans lived together. it's "awesome"

Where is it?


http://www.missinguniversemuseum.com/Exhibit4a.htm


*Facedesks*

:palm: :rofl: :palm: :rofl: :palm: :rofl: :palm: :rofl: :palm: :rofl:


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