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Postby DaWoad » Tue Jun 29, 2010 8:29 am

Sarkhaan wrote:
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Sarkhaan wrote:
Broof wrote:Darwin sucks dick. You know what? You all fucking suck dick. Fuck nationstates, fuck all you liberal dipshits, and fuck all you dumbfucks that voted for Obama.

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Buffett and Colbert wrote:The fact that the author of this bullshit thinks that a male or female had to evolve first in a species for evolution to work is sad... Niur, a biologist could explain this to you much better than I can, but sex chromosomes are what make evolution possible. Without birth and rebirth in a species, nothing would change (obviously). One sex couldn't have evolved without the other. Period. That is why we don't see "monosex" (I feel there is a word for that, but I can't remember what it is) species (unless they have some mechanism to fertilise their own eggs). The author also assumes that different parts of the body had to evolve one at a time, which is dumb.

Nope. Check how single cell life still reproduces to this day. It's via mitosis rather than meiosis and sexual reproduction.

Your making a broad assumption. Some single celled organisms do reproduce sexually, albeit in a much different manner than humans.

Okay. The vast majority of single celled organisms reproduce asexually. Point still stands, despite a minor issue. Given that mitosis was the only method of reproduction for much of life history, evolution is fully possible without birth and sex.

err. most single celled organisms do reproduce via mitosis but that doesn't suggest a lack of trading of genetic information. See plasmids for an example of this. In others they can be affected by the genetic information of their host cell (viruses) or are so simple that the rate of mutation is much higher(due to a lack of protection against it).

Did I say that it suggested a lack of trading genetic information? What I said was that evolution does not require sexual reproduction.

Wasn't disagreeing, just expanding so that someone would go:
"You said asexual but then they'd all be the same IDIOT! evolution is clearly false!"
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Postby Sebastianalandia » Tue Jun 29, 2010 8:32 am

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Sebastianalandia wrote:It is basic logic that I must bear the burden of proof in order to disprove your unproven statement?


Yootopia likes to purposely make bad arguments for positions that he knows are false, just to piss people off.


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Postby New new nebraska » Tue Jun 29, 2010 8:36 am

People like that will jump off cliffs because they do not believe in observable repeatable trends. The people who used reason, and logic stopped doing injurious things rather than continue them on the basis of they don't think science theories like gravity are true whatsoever. The latter group reproduces and lives on. The first group does not have the practical, useful trait of logicical and reasonable deduction. They jump off cliffs on lieu of gravity and die out.
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Postby Tekania » Tue Jun 29, 2010 9:15 am

The Master M wrote:It amuses me when those that do not actually understand evolution try to argue against it.


evolution? Their ignorance is not merely limited to that single biological aspect... They generally opine unprovable ideas that contradict physics and chemistry observed experimentation as well.
Such heroic nonsense!

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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Wed Jun 30, 2010 12:40 pm

Tekania wrote:
The Master M wrote:It amuses me when those that do not actually understand evolution try to argue against it.


evolution? Their ignorance is not merely limited to that single biological aspect... They generally opine unprovable ideas that contradict physics and chemistry observed experimentation as well.

It still makes me laugh how stupid some people are.
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Postby The Master M » Wed Jun 30, 2010 1:20 pm

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:
Tekania wrote:
The Master M wrote:It amuses me when those that do not actually understand evolution try to argue against it.


evolution? Their ignorance is not merely limited to that single biological aspect... They generally opine unprovable ideas that contradict physics and chemistry observed experimentation as well.

It still makes me laugh how stupid some people are.


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Postby Minethings » Wed Jun 30, 2010 1:35 pm

1. Which evolved first, male or female? Neither, asexual non-gender species were first.
2. How many millions of years elapsed between the first male and first female? N/A
3. List at least 9 of the false assumptions made with radioactive dating methods. ???
4. Why hasn't any extinct creature re-evolved after millions of years? Because evolution happens by chance, like pulling a card out of a hat, only with a million cards. It's almost impossible to pull the same card out twice.
5. Which came first: Why does this matter?
...the eye, 1
...the eyelid, 5
...the eyebrow, 7
...the eye sockets, 3
...the eye muscles, 4
...the eye lashes, 6
...the tear ducts, 8
...the brain's interpretation of light? 2
6. How many millions of years between each in question 5? What does this have to do with anything?
7. If we all evolved from a common ancestor, why can't all the different species mate with one another and produce fertile offspring? Because species branched out from that common ancestor, to form new, different species
8. List any of the millions of creatures in just five stages of its evolution showing the progression of a new organ of any kind. When you have done this, you can collect the millions of dollars in rewards offered for proof of evolution! Bacteria, protists, sponge ??fish??, amphibian, reptile, mammal. If you want something more accurate, ask a scientist, or just google it.
9. Why is it that the very things that would prove Evolution (transitional forms) are still missing? Some have been found. Why are you so stupid?
10. Explain why something as complex as human life could happen by chance, but something as simple as a coin must have a creator. (Show your math solution.) Humans were formed by chance by evolution, coins aren't living and can't evolve, so they must be made by living beings.
11. Why aren't any fossils or coal or oil being formed today? They are, just very slowly.
12. List 50 vestigial or useless organs or appendages in the human body. You first
13. Why hasn't anyone collected the millions of dollars in rewards for proof of evolution? Because the standards of getting the reward are too high, and will take a long time to achieve.
14. If life began hundreds of millions of years ago, why is the earth still under populated? Extinction, disasters, food shortages from climate change, humans :p
15. Why hasn't evolution duplicated all species on all continents? Same as answer to Q 4

Bonus question. Why is this test so stupid? Because it doesn't prove anything, was made by somebody who doesn't know anything about evolution, and because I said so :p
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Postby Desperate Measures » Wed Jun 30, 2010 1:53 pm

Why can't you people understand that this random person came up with a list of questions that no scientist has ever thought to ask in the history of ever? Take that scientists. Where is your science now? Your science ain't anywhere. Ain't got no science. Science is destroyed. These are questions only a god can answer, so since only a god can answer it then god did it. And you don't question god. Because god don't answer. Unless he does. In which case, it will be mysterious. And still won't really answer your question. But it will blow your mind if he does. And science won't be there to pick up the pieces of your blown mind. But I will be. Join my church for the low, low price of a third of your earnings.
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Postby Regnum Ardesco » Wed Jun 30, 2010 8:39 pm

Niur wrote:Secondly, anyone mind helping me utterly destroy his terrible argument?
There ya go.

Niur wrote:1. Which evolved first, male or female?

Since when are they separate species? Gender is an evolutionary adaption in reproduction.

Niur wrote:2. How many millions of years elapsed between the first male and first female?

See 1.

Niur wrote:3. List at least 9 of the false assumptions made with radioactive dating methods.

There are no assumptions made with radioactive dating methods, there are, however, assumptions upon their use in scientific fields.

Niur wrote:4. Why hasn't any extinct creature re-evolved after millions of years?

The genetic line broken when the species went extinct. Unless they had a closely related relative that survived, such would be impossible. As that stands, however, the terrible chance that the relative would evolve into the same genetic structure is in the infinitesimal. You know NOTHING about how genetics, natural selection, and mutation work.

Niur wrote:5. Which came first:
...the eye,
...the eyelid,
...the eyebrow,
...the eye sockets,
...the eye muscles,
...the eye lashes,
...the tear ducts,
...the brain's interpretation of light?

The brain's interpretation of light. Simple organisms have nothing more than light sensitive spots that enable them to determine dark and light.

Niur wrote:6. How many millions of years between each in question 5?

I don't know, its not really in my interest to memorize every modern human biological feature and the timeline of the development of each. I'm willing to bet you couldn't even name every part of the human body. You should ask an biological anthropologist or take a course in anatomy.

Niur wrote:7. If we all evolved from a common ancestor, why can't all the different species mate with one another and produce fertile offspring?

You fail to grasp the concept of a common ancestor and evolution, yet again. Our reproductive systems evolved in a different manner, and different species(especially not those of the same family) are not genetically compatible.

Niur wrote:8. List any of the millions of creatures in just five stages of its evolution showing the progression of a new organ of any kind. When you have done this, you can collect the millions of dollars in rewards offered for proof of evolution!

Evolution is not in "stages". It is a constant occurrence. Humans categorize eras of this occurrence that are similar or indistinguishable to one another with current knowledge. As for the actual list, you should check the fossil record, noting the differences between eras.

Niur wrote:9. Why is it that the very things that would prove Evolution (transitional forms) are still missing?

Your question is under the assumption that evolution has not been proven, but I digress.

There are two reasons. Either:
1) The fossils have decayed to the point that they are unrecognizable as such(that is, that they were not preserved like the many fortunate cases we have found).
2) We have not found them yet. Or, do you simply expect them to pop up like magic? Archeology takes time and resources. Even then, we are constantly making archeological discoveries. You can, however, note many transitions from the impressive fossil record we already have.

Niur wrote:10. Explain why something as complex as human life could happen by chance, but something as simple as a coin must have a creator.

Human life did not happen by chance, so there is no reason to explain such. Evolution, like the rest of our world, is a very precise and structured process. The variables the universe began with set into motion events. These events would be the same if the variables and circumstance were repeated(this is the foundation of mathematics). Human were always going to exist.

Niur wrote:11. Why aren't any fossils or coal or oil being formed today?

They are. Fossil, oil, and coal, take an EXTREMELY long amount of time to form.

Niur wrote:12. List 50 vestigial or useless organs or appendages in the human body.

Why 50, and why would this prove evolution? Probably because you're already aware of the amount of useless human body parts, fully knowing they do not amount to 50. True, in evolution, we keep many useless biological traits from our ancestors, but never in the theory of evolution does it propose the idea of so many. Why you decided upon such an ambiguous number in the first place is beyond me, but I will provide a few examples: Wisdom teeth, Neck ribs, Extrinsic ear muscles, Male nipples, Appendix, Various patches of here-and-there body hair, and the pinky toe.

Niur wrote:13. Why hasn't anyone collected the millions of dollars in rewards for proof of evolution?

Because the people present such currency refuse to accept such truths, which most people know full well.

Niur wrote:14. If life began hundreds of millions of years ago, why is the earth still under populated?

The earth is UNDER populated? Please, do go on. Though, as stupid as that question is, assuming you're even FURTHER down the slope of idiocy and wish to know why the earth is not crammed to the rim full of life forms from born millions of years ago:
LIFE DIES!
SPECIES BECOME EXTINCT!
THEIR REMAINS DECAY!
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT SAID SPECIES ACTUALLY FIGHT OVER THE LIMITED RESOURCES ON OUR PLANET TO SURVIVE DAY TO DAY LIFE, AS YOU SIT THEIR COMFORTABLY ENJOYING HAVING THREE SQUARE MEALS A DAY, BECAUSE YOU WERE BORN TO A FORTUNATE FAMILY AND A FORTUNATE SPECIES?!

Fuck.

Niur wrote:15. Why hasn't evolution duplicated all species on all continents?

Yet again, you lack a fundamental understanding of evolution, particularly natural selection. Species evolve based upon the environment they are in to survive. If the environment is different(and, I certainly hope you aren't suggesting that every part of every continent is identical), the species will be different.
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Postby Volea » Fri Jul 02, 2010 10:10 pm

Broof wrote:Darwin sucks dick. You know what? You all fucking suck dick. Fuck nationstates, fuck all you liberal dipshits, and fuck all you dumbfucks that voted for Obama.


Well, that was an intelligent argument.

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Postby Desperate Measures » Fri Jul 02, 2010 10:12 pm

Volea wrote:
Broof wrote:Darwin sucks dick. You know what? You all fucking suck dick. Fuck nationstates, fuck all you liberal dipshits, and fuck all you dumbfucks that voted for Obama.


Well, that was an intelligent argument.

I believe that argument evolved over time.
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Postby Ryadn » Fri Jul 02, 2010 10:38 pm

High-larious. I appreciate both the superficial attempt to appear "scientific" and the shameless shifting of goal posts and burden of proof.

Incidentally, I just came back from a trip to Chicago, where I had a chance to visit the Field Museum of natural history and go through an awesome exhibit called "The Evolving Planet" which walked you through the various stages or eras evolution on our planet, and addressed MANY of those questions.

I'm sure the challenge to find 50 vestigial organs or structures in the human body was intended to "disprove" evolution in some way (because clearly 10 vestigial anatomical parts is just not enough!), but you could probably get damn close to that number. Appendix, coccyx, wisdom teeth---those are just three off the top of my head, and a quick glance at Wiki shows many more.
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Postby South-Western Dakota » Fri Jul 02, 2010 10:43 pm

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Postby Chinese Regions » Sat Jan 15, 2011 1:29 pm

Teachers, give this test to your students if you really want them to know the truth about evolution!

1. Which evolved first, male or female? Neither
2. How many millions of years elapsed between the first male and first female?
3. List at least 9 of the false assumptions made with radioactive dating methods.
4. Why hasn't any extinct creature re-evolved after millions of years? Icthysaurus became extinct the modern dolphin has a evolved have a similar appearance, both live in water.
5. Which came first:
...the eye,
6. How many millions of years between each in question 5? several
7. If we all evolved from a common ancestor, why can't all the different species mate with one another and produce fertile offspring?different number of chromosomes
8. List any of the millions of creatures in just five stages of its evolution showing the progression of a new organ of any kind. When you have done this, you can collect the millions of dollars in rewards offered for proof of evolution!
a.Jellyfish evolve nerves and muscles
b.Flatworm evolves brain
c.Acorn worms evolve heart, kidneys and, circulatory system and primitive gills.
d.Pikaia evolves backbone
e.Placodermi evolve teeth
f.Acanthosetga evolve lungs
g.Icthyostega evolve legs
h.Cynodonts evolve fur
i.Carpolestes simpsoni evolves grasping digits
j. First Hominids
k.Where's my money?
9. Why is it that the very things that would prove Evolution (transitional forms) are still missing? We've already discovered them you just ignore them
10. Explain why something as complex as human life could happen by chance, but something as simple as a coin must have a creator. (Show your math solution.) Because a coin is not made of organic matter, which can be anything that is a compound of carbon.
11. Why aren't any fossils or coal or oil being formed today? They are being formed and it takes more than a millennia of pressure to make this stuff.
12. List 50 vestigial or useless organs or appendages in the human body. Ear Lobe, tonsils and appendix what difference would 47 more make?
13. Why hasn't anyone collected the millions of dollars in rewards for proof of evolution? Because we are not greedy like creationists
14. If life began hundreds of millions of years ago, why is the earth still under populated? Because things die duh
15. Why hasn't evolution duplicated all species on all continents? Because evolution is dependent on the environment the organism lives in. Also some things have a occurred but only because of similar environments. A whale looks like a fish because both live in water, a bat and a bird have wings because they both fly.
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Postby Dread Lady Nathicana » Sat Jan 15, 2011 1:48 pm

Whatever the case, clearly players haven't evolved enough to recognize when they shouldn't gravedig old threads. >_<

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