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does everything happen for a reason?

Postby Call to power » Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:15 pm

yeah its kinda an irrelevant topic but shush the internet is not the real world

do you think things happen for a reason? its a bizarre anomaly I've noticed with this in that more people will beleive in (I guess its called) destiny than any higher power.

do you think its a deep rooted social phenomenon based on a collective ego that will appear the same way as the Victorians do to us today? actually true and history has had an uncanny way of sorta working out?

I'm torn on the one hand I happen to be born as a Messianic entity on the other the good guys don't always win (and if they didn't how would you know white imperialist aggressor!)
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Postby Dyakovo » Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:16 pm

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Postby Buffett and Colbert » Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:17 pm

No. You dictate what will happen in your life. You didn't look across the street, so you were hit by a truck. You happened to look down on the sidewalk, you found a thousand dollar bill.
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Re: does everything happen for a reason?

Postby Galloism » Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:17 pm

There's an expression common in America that I think applies here:

"Shit happens."
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Postby Secluded Islands » Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:18 pm

no. you make your destiny. the mind sees what the mind wants to see. its human nature...

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Postby Kirav » Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:18 pm

The existance of Fate and Destiny is one of the rare few philosophical questions that I actually don't care about.
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Re: does everything happen for a reason?

Postby The Plutonian Empire » Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:18 pm

Yes.

I seriously doubt the existence of free will.
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Postby Yootopia » Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:18 pm

Call to power wrote:do you think things happen for a reason? its a bizarre anomaly I've noticed with this in that more people will beleive in (I guess its called) destiny than any higher power.

Aye, fate n shit.
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Postby JuNii » Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:20 pm

everything happens for a reason. even if that reason is "That stupid idiot leaned on that button marked "DO NOT PRESS"
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Postby Call to power » Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:21 pm

Yootopia wrote:
Call to power wrote:do you think things happen for a reason? its a bizarre anomaly I've noticed with this in that more people will beleive in (I guess its called) destiny than any higher power.

Aye, fate n shit.


but then what decides fate? is your fate sealed by a random set of actions that brought you about?
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Postby The Tofu Islands » Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:22 pm

I don't think so. There are a lot of things that (I think) don't have a reason for happening.
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Re: does everything happen for a reason?

Postby Maurepas » Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:22 pm

No, things Happen, people give them reasons...

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Postby Secluded Islands » Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:23 pm

Call to power wrote:
Yootopia wrote:
Call to power wrote:do you think things happen for a reason? its a bizarre anomaly I've noticed with this in that more people will beleive in (I guess its called) destiny than any higher power.

Aye, fate n shit.


but then what decides fate? is your fate sealed by a random set of actions that brought you about?


fate/destiny is the result of actions. it is not the plan of actions. IMO...

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Re: does everything happen for a reason?

Postby Ifreann » Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:24 pm

Effects without causes only happen in that weird, confusing science that men call 'quantum'. Or so I heard.

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Postby Call to power » Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:26 pm

Buffett and Colbert wrote:No. You dictate what will happen in your life. You didn't look across the street, so you were hit by a truck. You happened to look down on the sidewalk, you found a thousand dollar bill.


but how would you know? yes you could put it all down to random chance but don't you ever get that feeling that things happened this way because of powers completely beyond your control* what if you go into the café and the truck slams into the entrance anyway?

*yes you could argue its a bit of a guilt free belief but then (from what I see) its not applied to bad luck nearly and much as good luck and love
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Vareiln wrote:My god, CtP is right...
Not that you haven't been right before, but... Aw, hell, you get what I meant.

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Postby Maurepas » Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:26 pm

Ifreann wrote:Effects without causes only happen in that weird, confusing science that men call 'quantum'. Or so I heard.

But I would say that cause =/= "reason"...

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Postby Yootopia » Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:27 pm

Call to power wrote:but then what decides fate? is your fate sealed by a random set of actions that brought you about?

That's my take on things, aye. The illusion of free will is exactly that.
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Postby Maurepas » Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:28 pm

Yootopia wrote:
Call to power wrote:but then what decides fate? is your fate sealed by a random set of actions that brought you about?

That's my take on things, aye. The illusion of free will is exactly that.

Until some bitch ate an apple anyway, :p

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Postby Farnhamia » Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:29 pm

Dyakovo wrote:No

^^This.

And I demand a poll.

Saying things happen for a reason implies an intelligence behind the universe. There isn't. Humans can certainly make things happen for a reason, with sometimes far-reaching effects, of course.
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Postby Rhodmhire » Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:39 pm

Not so much in the sense that life is a pattern and series of events that lead from point A. to point B., but in a way that everything happens for some reason, significant or insignificant, to you, someone else, or even animals or other living organisms.

I've always thought that everything that happens, intentional or not, leads to another thing, and another, and another. In a way that everything in life has some purpose and can affect another aspect of life, and so forth.

You might think kicking a rock on the ground without even knowing it isn't significant, but for all you know in five minutes that rock might cause someone to fall off their bike, and that might cause new bike laws to be introduced, which might cause a rebellion, which might cause a government to be overthrown, which might start a war. I doubt that would ever happen, but the point is, I think we choose our destinies, and that everything we choose to do, or even don't choose to do--knowingly or not--has an effect on ourselves or others--significant or not. There's probably a name for this thought I just explained, and it's on my tongue, but I can't name it. Or maybe I'm just being over-detailed about the common view of life.

That also could lead me into the speculation that it's true that if you went back in time if you touched anything that it could drastically alter the future, that could also include you crushing some grass or technically even breathing in air.

That also leads me to speculate time travel in the past is 100% implausible.

Damn, I went from philosophical debate about life reasoning to scientific speculation on time travel.

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Postby Kagetora » Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:43 pm

Shit happens, and people just attach a supposed cause to them, not the other way around.
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Postby Metallic Slumber » Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:45 pm

I would like to think it does. But...The holocaust shouldn't of happened, and things of that nature, you know?
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Postby Yootopia » Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:48 pm

Metallic Slumber wrote:I would like to think it does. But...The holocaust shouldn't of happened, and things of that nature, you know?

Shouldn't have, my man.

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Postby Desperate Measures » Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:49 pm

No but also, I wouldn't be very surprised if all things did happen for a reason. Simpler to believe that it does not, though.
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