Get into the car little girl - COP

[Sibirsky]

A New York City Police officer has been charged with attempting to lure a little girl into his car with promises of $100.

http://www.wten.com/global/Story.asp?s=12697236

The smart little girl ran to her grandparents house for help. I wonder how many other girls he has victimized in the past who decided to get into his car for the $100? Are they still alive to tell about it?

Bail for the would be kidnapper has been put at bail $2,500.

What do you think about this? Is the bail to low for someone who has been accused of predatory behavior of this type? When the police investigating the claims first interviewed the criminal he claimed to be self employed despite the fact that fingerprints later proved he was employed as a cop.

If a normal citizen lies about being a cop they can be charged. Should the opposite be true also? If a cop lies and claims that he is self employed and not, a member of the police department should there be a charge equivalent to "impersonating a civilian?"

Sick fuck. And $2500 is way too low. I'm not sure what the maximum penalty is for this offense, but that's what he should get.

I don't know what it is in new york, but attempting to lure or entice a child in Florida is a 1st degree misdemeanor.

Florida goes easy. That's a felony charge in my mind.

I think you people are confusing luring and enticing with kidnapping. It's way different... and yes, I agree, it should be a felony charge as well (anything dealing with kids should automatically be upped). He didn't attempt to kidnap her.

What's he luring her for? It should be equal to, or close to attempted kidnapping.

[Monahtan]

A New York City Police officer has been charged with attempting to lure a little girl into his car with promises of $100.

http://www.wten.com/global/Story.asp?s=12697236

The smart little girl ran to her grandparents house for help. I wonder how many other girls he has victimized in the past who decided to get into his car for the $100? Are they still alive to tell about it?

Bail for the would be kidnapper has been put at bail $2,500.

What do you think about this? Is the bail to low for someone who has been accused of predatory behavior of this type? When the police investigating the claims first interviewed the criminal he claimed to be self employed despite the fact that fingerprints later proved he was employed as a cop.

If a normal citizen lies about being a cop they can be charged. Should the opposite be true also? If a cop lies and claims that he is self employed and not, a member of the police department should there be a charge equivalent to "impersonating a civilian?"

Sick fuck. And $2500 is way too low. I'm not sure what the maximum penalty is for this offense, but that's what he should get.

I don't know what it is in new york, but attempting to lure or entice a child in Florida is a 1st degree misdemeanor.

Florida goes easy. That's a felony charge in my mind.

I think you people are confusing luring and enticing with kidnapping. It's way different... and yes, I agree, it should be a felony charge as well (anything dealing with kids should automatically be upped). He didn't attempt to kidnap her.

What's he luring her for? It should be equal to, or close to attempted kidnapping.

I agree all crimes involving children should automatically be felonies, but, in defense of the letter of the law, kidnapping is keeping someone against their will with intentions to use them as ransom or for some type of gain. Luring and enticing can LEAD to kidnapping or false imprisonment, but it isn't the same crime. Luring and enticing is like the precursor to kidnapping. Maybe that made sense to someone besides me...

[Utvara]

Not even surprised. Like 3 or 4 stories like this atleast a week lately.

In another thread it was said that resisting refusing to follow the order of a police officer is "resisting arrest? " Do you think the 11 year old girl should be charged with resisting arrest?

Don't be foolish. He was off duty in commission, allegedly, of a crime -- not in uniform and at work.

I know you hate the police and everything about them is abuse, but this is pretty transparently NOT a police officer in commission of his duties.

I don't really hate them actually. I don't like the way power and hierarchy work together to create dangerous situations for individuals.

Then focus on more than just the police, and don't use individual police officers committing crimes as representatives for the entire profession.

But then she wouldn't be a anarchist anymore. You gotta hate the State and any symbol of authority for no other reason then you can.

Why would people have a problem with police?

Surely, it's a few bad apples. No institutional problems here!

[Panzerjaeger]

Not even surprised. Like 3 or 4 stories like this atleast a week lately.

In another thread it was said that resisting refusing to follow the order of a police officer is "resisting arrest? " Do you think the 11 year old girl should be charged with resisting arrest?

Don't be foolish. He was off duty in commission, allegedly, of a crime -- not in uniform and at work.

I know you hate the police and everything about them is abuse, but this is pretty transparently NOT a police officer in commission of his duties.

I don't really hate them actually. I don't like the way power and hierarchy work together to create dangerous situations for individuals.

Then focus on more than just the police, and don't use individual police officers committing crimes as representatives for the entire profession.

But then she wouldn't be a anarchist anymore. You gotta hate the State and any symbol of authority for no other reason then you can.

Why would people have a problem with police?

Surely, it's a few bad apples. No institutional problems here!

Yes because a handful of incidents immediately prove your point.

[Bendira]

Not even surprised. Like 3 or 4 stories like this atleast a week lately.

In another thread it was said that resisting refusing to follow the order of a police officer is "resisting arrest? " Do you think the 11 year old girl should be charged with resisting arrest?

Don't be foolish. He was off duty in commission, allegedly, of a crime -- not in uniform and at work.

I know you hate the police and everything about them is abuse, but this is pretty transparently NOT a police officer in commission of his duties.

I don't really hate them actually. I don't like the way power and hierarchy work together to create dangerous situations for individuals.

Then focus on more than just the police, and don't use individual police officers committing crimes as representatives for the entire profession.

But then she wouldn't be a anarchist anymore. You gotta hate the State and any symbol of authority for no other reason then you can.

Why would people have a problem with police?

Surely, it's a few bad apples. No institutional problems here!

No idea

[Sibirsky]

What other kind of lies do you expect from an authoritarian commie like myself?

The ones you hear from your local used cars salesperson and the govahmet.

Listen here Zep. I'll sell you this ride for only $15 thousand. I promise you won't find it cheaper anywhere else. Go ahead, shop around. I guarantee you, you'll be back to see me.

[Sibirsky]

A New York City Police officer has been charged with attempting to lure a little girl into his car with promises of $100.

http://www.wten.com/global/Story.asp?s=12697236

The smart little girl ran to her grandparents house for help. I wonder how many other girls he has victimized in the past who decided to get into his car for the $100? Are they still alive to tell about it?

Bail for the would be kidnapper has been put at bail $2,500.

What do you think about this? Is the bail to low for someone who has been accused of predatory behavior of this type? When the police investigating the claims first interviewed the criminal he claimed to be self employed despite the fact that fingerprints later proved he was employed as a cop.

If a normal citizen lies about being a cop they can be charged. Should the opposite be true also? If a cop lies and claims that he is self employed and not, a member of the police department should there be a charge equivalent to "impersonating a civilian?"

Sick fuck. And $2500 is way too low. I'm not sure what the maximum penalty is for this offense, but that's what he should get.

I don't know what it is in new york, but attempting to lure or entice a child in Florida is a 1st degree misdemeanor.

Florida goes easy. That's a felony charge in my mind.

I think you people are confusing luring and enticing with kidnapping. It's way different... and yes, I agree, it should be a felony charge as well (anything dealing with kids should automatically be upped). He didn't attempt to kidnap her.

What's he luring her for? It should be equal to, or close to attempted kidnapping.

I agree all crimes involving children should automatically be felonies, but, in defense of the letter of the law, kidnapping is keeping someone against their will with intentions to use them as ransom or for some type of gain. Luring and enticing can LEAD to kidnapping or false imprisonment, but it isn't the same crime. Luring and enticing is like the precursor to kidnapping. Maybe that made sense to someone besides me...

But I said attempted kidnapping.

[Utvara]

Not even surprised. Like 3 or 4 stories like this atleast a week lately.

In another thread it was said that resisting refusing to follow the order of a police officer is "resisting arrest? " Do you think the 11 year old girl should be charged with resisting arrest?

Don't be foolish. He was off duty in commission, allegedly, of a crime -- not in uniform and at work.

I know you hate the police and everything about them is abuse, but this is pretty transparently NOT a police officer in commission of his duties.

I don't really hate them actually. I don't like the way power and hierarchy work together to create dangerous situations for individuals.

Then focus on more than just the police, and don't use individual police officers committing crimes as representatives for the entire profession.

But then she wouldn't be a anarchist anymore. You gotta hate the State and any symbol of authority for no other reason then you can.

Why would people have a problem with police?

Surely, it's a few bad apples. No institutional problems here!

Yes because a handful of incidents immediately prove your point.

"Handful". I did that post in 5~ minutes. There are plenty of other videos I could find. Hell, there's whole Youtube channels dedicated to police brutality!

NO INSTITUTIONAL PROBLEMS HERE, FOLKS. MOVE ALONG.

[Andaluciae]

Not even surprised. Like 3 or 4 stories like this atleast a week lately.

In another thread it was said that resisting refusing to follow the order of a police officer is "resisting arrest? " Do you think the 11 year old girl should be charged with resisting arrest?

Don't be foolish. He was off duty in commission, allegedly, of a crime -- not in uniform and at work.

I know you hate the police and everything about them is abuse, but this is pretty transparently NOT a police officer in commission of his duties.

I don't really hate them actually. I don't like the way power and hierarchy work together to create dangerous situations for individuals.

Then focus on more than just the police, and don't use individual police officers committing crimes as representatives for the entire profession.

But then she wouldn't be a anarchist anymore. You gotta hate the State and any symbol of authority for no other reason then you can.

Why would people have a problem with police?

Surely, it's a few bad apples. No institutional problems here!

So now we've been able to accrue 9 examples of police behaving in a fashion that is either illegal, or that someone might find less than pleasing. In a profession of over 800,000 people...wow...that's a pretty good ratio. Let's shoot for something more rigorous here, than linking to random Youtube videos, hmmmkay?

[Panzerjaeger]

Not even surprised. Like 3 or 4 stories like this atleast a week lately.

In another thread it was said that resisting refusing to follow the order of a police officer is "resisting arrest? " Do you think the 11 year old girl should be charged with resisting arrest?

Don't be foolish. He was off duty in commission, allegedly, of a crime -- not in uniform and at work.

I know you hate the police and everything about them is abuse, but this is pretty transparently NOT a police officer in commission of his duties.

I don't really hate them actually. I don't like the way power and hierarchy work together to create dangerous situations for individuals.

Then focus on more than just the police, and don't use individual police officers committing crimes as representatives for the entire profession.

But then she wouldn't be a anarchist anymore. You gotta hate the State and any symbol of authority for no other reason then you can.

Why would people have a problem with police?

Surely, it's a few bad apples. No institutional problems here!

Yes because a handful of incidents immediately prove your point.

"Handful". I did that post in 5~ minutes. There are plenty of other videos I could find. Hell, there's whole Youtube channels dedicated to police brutality!

NO INSTITUTIONAL PROBLEMS HERE, FOLKS. MOVE ALONG.

Yeah I totally forgot Cops aren't people but a Hivemind Species from Alpha Centauri silly me. How about you take your circle jerk to another thread...oh wait this is a thread created for you whiny anarchists to circlejerk in nevermind.

[Bendira]

Not even surprised. Like 3 or 4 stories like this atleast a week lately.

In another thread it was said that resisting refusing to follow the order of a police officer is "resisting arrest? " Do you think the 11 year old girl should be charged with resisting arrest?

Don't be foolish. He was off duty in commission, allegedly, of a crime -- not in uniform and at work.

I know you hate the police and everything about them is abuse, but this is pretty transparently NOT a police officer in commission of his duties.

I don't really hate them actually. I don't like the way power and hierarchy work together to create dangerous situations for individuals.

Then focus on more than just the police, and don't use individual police officers committing crimes as representatives for the entire profession.

But then she wouldn't be a anarchist anymore. You gotta hate the State and any symbol of authority for no other reason then you can.

Why would people have a problem with police?

Surely, it's a few bad apples. No institutional problems here!

So now we've been able to accrue 9 examples of police behaving in a fashion that is either illegal, or that someone might find less than pleasing. In a profession of over 800,000 people...wow...that's a pretty good ratio. Let's shoot for something more rigorous here, than linking to random Youtube videos, hmmmkay?

www.copblock.org

[Monahtan]

A New York City Police officer has been charged with attempting to lure a little girl into his car with promises of $100.

http://www.wten.com/global/Story.asp?s=12697236

The smart little girl ran to her grandparents house for help. I wonder how many other girls he has victimized in the past who decided to get into his car for the $100? Are they still alive to tell about it?

Bail for the would be kidnapper has been put at bail $2,500.

What do you think about this? Is the bail to low for someone who has been accused of predatory behavior of this type? When the police investigating the claims first interviewed the criminal he claimed to be self employed despite the fact that fingerprints later proved he was employed as a cop.

If a normal citizen lies about being a cop they can be charged. Should the opposite be true also? If a cop lies and claims that he is self employed and not, a member of the police department should there be a charge equivalent to "impersonating a civilian?"

Sick fuck. And $2500 is way too low. I'm not sure what the maximum penalty is for this offense, but that's what he should get.

I don't know what it is in new york, but attempting to lure or entice a child in Florida is a 1st degree misdemeanor.

Florida goes easy. That's a felony charge in my mind.

I think you people are confusing luring and enticing with kidnapping. It's way different... and yes, I agree, it should be a felony charge as well (anything dealing with kids should automatically be upped). He didn't attempt to kidnap her.

What's he luring her for? It should be equal to, or close to attempted kidnapping.

I agree all crimes involving children should automatically be felonies, but, in defense of the letter of the law, kidnapping is keeping someone against their will with intentions to use them as ransom or for some type of gain. Luring and enticing can LEAD to kidnapping or false imprisonment, but it isn't the same crime. Luring and enticing is like the precursor to kidnapping. Maybe that made sense to someone besides me...

But I said attempted kidnapping.

Keeping in mind I'm a cop in Florida and can only speak for Florida laws here, it still wasn't attempting kidnapping. Kidnapping is defined as forcibly, secretly, or by threat confining, abducting, or imprisoning another person against their will and without lawful authority.

So, he just asked if she wanted the hundred bucks... he didn't force her.

[Frisbeeteria]

Posts with links to hate sites removed

[Utvara]

Not even surprised. Like 3 or 4 stories like this atleast a week lately.

In another thread it was said that resisting refusing to follow the order of a police officer is "resisting arrest? " Do you think the 11 year old girl should be charged with resisting arrest?

Don't be foolish. He was off duty in commission, allegedly, of a crime -- not in uniform and at work.

I know you hate the police and everything about them is abuse, but this is pretty transparently NOT a police officer in commission of his duties.

I don't really hate them actually. I don't like the way power and hierarchy work together to create dangerous situations for individuals.

Then focus on more than just the police, and don't use individual police officers committing crimes as representatives for the entire profession.

But then she wouldn't be a anarchist anymore. You gotta hate the State and any symbol of authority for no other reason then you can.

Why would people have a problem with police?

Surely, it's a few bad apples. No institutional problems here!

So now we've been able to accrue 9 examples of police behaving in a fashion that is either illegal, or that someone might find less than pleasing. In a profession of over 800,000 people...wow...that's a pretty good ratio. Let's shoot for something more rigorous here, than linking to random Youtube videos, hmmmkay?

Nine examples I pulled together in five minutes, with tons more available. You hear about this shit every week, if you're looking for it. How many incidents do you think go unrecorded? Especially incidents that happened before the advent of YouTube?

[Andaluciae]

Not even surprised. Like 3 or 4 stories like this atleast a week lately.

In another thread it was said that resisting refusing to follow the order of a police officer is "resisting arrest? " Do you think the 11 year old girl should be charged with resisting arrest?

Don't be foolish. He was off duty in commission, allegedly, of a crime -- not in uniform and at work.

I know you hate the police and everything about them is abuse, but this is pretty transparently NOT a police officer in commission of his duties.

I don't really hate them actually. I don't like the way power and hierarchy work together to create dangerous situations for individuals.

Then focus on more than just the police, and don't use individual police officers committing crimes as representatives for the entire profession.

But then she wouldn't be a anarchist anymore. You gotta hate the State and any symbol of authority for no other reason then you can.

Why would people have a problem with police?

Surely, it's a few bad apples. No institutional problems here!

Yes because a handful of incidents immediately prove your point.

"Handful". I did that post in 5~ minutes. There are plenty of other videos I could find. Hell, there's whole Youtube channels dedicated to police brutality!

NO INSTITUTIONAL PROBLEMS HERE, FOLKS. MOVE ALONG.

And the Serpico incident, from the early seventies. Let's shoot for something within a decade of the average birthday for posters on this forum, kewl?

[Utvara]

Not even surprised. Like 3 or 4 stories like this atleast a week lately.

In another thread it was said that resisting refusing to follow the order of a police officer is "resisting arrest? " Do you think the 11 year old girl should be charged with resisting arrest?

Don't be foolish. He was off duty in commission, allegedly, of a crime -- not in uniform and at work.

I know you hate the police and everything about them is abuse, but this is pretty transparently NOT a police officer in commission of his duties.

I don't really hate them actually. I don't like the way power and hierarchy work together to create dangerous situations for individuals.

Then focus on more than just the police, and don't use individual police officers committing crimes as representatives for the entire profession.

But then she wouldn't be a anarchist anymore. You gotta hate the State and any symbol of authority for no other reason then you can.

Why would people have a problem with police?

Surely, it's a few bad apples. No institutional problems here!

Yes because a handful of incidents immediately prove your point.

"Handful". I did that post in 5~ minutes. There are plenty of other videos I could find. Hell, there's whole Youtube channels dedicated to police brutality!

NO INSTITUTIONAL PROBLEMS HERE, FOLKS. MOVE ALONG.

And the Serpico incident, from the early seventies. Let's shoot for something within a decade of the average birthday for posters on this forum, kewl?

Yeah, post-Serpico everything got cool, and there's no more institutionalized corruption ever. Kind of how we live in a post-Civil Rights Movement era, and there is no longer any racism... right?

[Andaluciae]

Not even surprised. Like 3 or 4 stories like this atleast a week lately.

In another thread it was said that resisting refusing to follow the order of a police officer is "resisting arrest? " Do you think the 11 year old girl should be charged with resisting arrest?

Don't be foolish. He was off duty in commission, allegedly, of a crime -- not in uniform and at work.

I know you hate the police and everything about them is abuse, but this is pretty transparently NOT a police officer in commission of his duties.

I don't really hate them actually. I don't like the way power and hierarchy work together to create dangerous situations for individuals.

Then focus on more than just the police, and don't use individual police officers committing crimes as representatives for the entire profession.

But then she wouldn't be a anarchist anymore. You gotta hate the State and any symbol of authority for no other reason then you can.

Why would people have a problem with police?

Surely, it's a few bad apples. No institutional problems here!

So now we've been able to accrue 9 examples of police behaving in a fashion that is either illegal, or that someone might find less than pleasing. In a profession of over 800,000 people...wow...that's a pretty good ratio. Let's shoot for something more rigorous here, than linking to random Youtube videos, hmmmkay?

Nine examples I pulled together in five minutes, with tons more available. You hear about this shit every week, if you're looking for it. How many incidents do you think go unrecorded? Especially incidents that happened before the advent of YouTube?

I'm not saying it doesn't happen--let's do something more rigorous than linking to youtube videos. How about you track down a peer reviewed article in a journal--or something from a professional inquest or audit service.

[Andaluciae]

Not even surprised. Like 3 or 4 stories like this atleast a week lately.

In another thread it was said that resisting refusing to follow the order of a police officer is "resisting arrest? " Do you think the 11 year old girl should be charged with resisting arrest?

Don't be foolish. He was off duty in commission, allegedly, of a crime -- not in uniform and at work.

I know you hate the police and everything about them is abuse, but this is pretty transparently NOT a police officer in commission of his duties.

I don't really hate them actually. I don't like the way power and hierarchy work together to create dangerous situations for individuals.

Then focus on more than just the police, and don't use individual police officers committing crimes as representatives for the entire profession.

But then she wouldn't be a anarchist anymore. You gotta hate the State and any symbol of authority for no other reason then you can.

Why would people have a problem with police?

Surely, it's a few bad apples. No institutional problems here!

Yes because a handful of incidents immediately prove your point.

"Handful". I did that post in 5~ minutes. There are plenty of other videos I could find. Hell, there's whole Youtube channels dedicated to police brutality!

NO INSTITUTIONAL PROBLEMS HERE, FOLKS. MOVE ALONG.

And the Serpico incident, from the early seventies. Let's shoot for something within a decade of the average birthday for posters on this forum, kewl?

Yeah, post-Serpico everything got cool, and there's no more institutionalized corruption ever. Kind of how we live in a post-Civil Rights Movement era, and there is no longer any racism... right?

I'm saying that Serpico isn't particularly relevant to the discussion at hand.

[Andaluciae]

Trust me--public sector audits and oversight are what I do. Youtube videos would not meet the evidenciary standard I'm held to. Find something better, and give me some statistical correlations. Without that, it's just bullshit anecdotal evidence, which is useful for making an argument--but useless in identifying patterns.

[Panzerjaeger]

Trust me--public sector audits and oversight are what I do. Youtube videos would not meet the evidenciary standard I'm held to. Find something better, and give me some statistical correlations. Without that, it's just bullshit anecdotal evidence, which is useful for making an argument--but useless in identifying patterns.

Meh you know it doesn't exist if it did the ACLU would have an orgasm over the sheer lawsuit potential.

[Andaluciae]

I mean, there is a lot of stuff on Youtube. Let's see an argument that isn't predicated on there being "a lot of stuff on youtube".

[Panzerjaeger]

I mean, there is a lot of stuff on Youtube. Let's see an argument that isn't predicated on there being "a lot of stuff on youtube".

But, but youtube is so...anti-establishment and not run by The Man™ and shit like that. Yeah totally.

[Sibirsky]

Not even surprised. Like 3 or 4 stories like this atleast a week lately.

In another thread it was said that resisting refusing to follow the order of a police officer is "resisting arrest? " Do you think the 11 year old girl should be charged with resisting arrest?

Don't be foolish. He was off duty in commission, allegedly, of a crime -- not in uniform and at work.

I know you hate the police and everything about them is abuse, but this is pretty transparently NOT a police officer in commission of his duties.

I don't really hate them actually. I don't like the way power and hierarchy work together to create dangerous situations for individuals.

Then focus on more than just the police, and don't use individual police officers committing crimes as representatives for the entire profession.

But then she wouldn't be a anarchist anymore. You gotta hate the State and any symbol of authority for no other reason then you can.

Why would people have a problem with police?

Surely, it's a few bad apples. No institutional problems here!

And this is why I am an anarchist. (Just this once Natapoc?) Police departments, even when they lose lawsuits, generally don't pay out more than $100,000 or so (out of your pocket, Mr. and Mrs. Taxpayer). I see no reason why PDAs, had we used them would have any limit on liability. The fact that these for profit entities could stand to lose tens of millions of dollars makes me think that they would not hire, authoritative, power hungry, corrupt pricks like these as employees.

[Sibirsky]

Not even surprised. Like 3 or 4 stories like this atleast a week lately.

In another thread it was said that resisting refusing to follow the order of a police officer is "resisting arrest? " Do you think the 11 year old girl should be charged with resisting arrest?

Don't be foolish. He was off duty in commission, allegedly, of a crime -- not in uniform and at work.

I know you hate the police and everything about them is abuse, but this is pretty transparently NOT a police officer in commission of his duties.

I don't really hate them actually. I don't like the way power and hierarchy work together to create dangerous situations for individuals.

Then focus on more than just the police, and don't use individual police officers committing crimes as representatives for the entire profession.

But then she wouldn't be a anarchist anymore. You gotta hate the State and any symbol of authority for no other reason then you can.

Why would people have a problem with police?

Surely, it's a few bad apples. No institutional problems here!

Yes because a handful of incidents immediately prove your point.

They are not isolated. There are hundreds like these every year. One of the biggest problems is the war on drugs. In my county, it is standard procedure to execute a search warrant with a full SWAT team. And they execute search warrants for something as minor as an anonymous tip stating there are drugs at the house.

[Mollux]

$2500 bail? At $100 per little girl, that's 25 little girls saved!