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Postby Natapoc » Wed Jun 23, 2010 5:40 pm

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Bendira wrote:Not even surprised. Like 3 or 4 stories like this atleast a week lately.


In another thread it was said that resisting refusing to follow the order of a police officer is "resisting arrest? " Do you think the 11 year old girl should be charged with resisting arrest?

Don't be foolish. He was off duty in commission, allegedly, of a crime -- not in uniform and at work.

I know you hate the police and everything about them is abuse, but this is pretty transparently NOT a police officer in commission of his duties.


I don't really hate them actually. I don't like the way power and hierarchy work together to create dangerous situations for individuals.
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Postby Zeppy » Wed Jun 23, 2010 5:40 pm

Natapoc wrote:Good point. Can he prove he is a citizen? Are we sure his birth certificate is not forged? There should be an investigation asap.

Start with Obama, he seems suspicious with that minstrel makeup.

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Postby Panzerjaeger » Wed Jun 23, 2010 5:40 pm

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Natapoc wrote:Good point. Can he prove he is a citizen? Are we sure his birth certificate is not forged? There should be an investigation asap.

Start with Obama, he seems suspicious with that minstrel makeup.

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Postby Andaluciae » Wed Jun 23, 2010 5:41 pm

Natapoc wrote:
Katganistan wrote:
Natapoc wrote:
Bendira wrote:Not even surprised. Like 3 or 4 stories like this atleast a week lately.


In another thread it was said that resisting refusing to follow the order of a police officer is "resisting arrest? " Do you think the 11 year old girl should be charged with resisting arrest?

Don't be foolish. He was off duty in commission, allegedly, of a crime -- not in uniform and at work.

I know you hate the police and everything about them is abuse, but this is pretty transparently NOT a police officer in commission of his duties.


I don't really hate them actually. I don't like the way power and hierarchy work together to create dangerous situations for individuals.


Then focus on more than just the police, and don't use individual police officers committing crimes as representatives for the entire profession.
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Postby Zeppy » Wed Jun 23, 2010 5:42 pm

Natapoc wrote:I don't really hate them actually. I don't like the way power and hierarchy work together to create dangerous situations for individuals.

Capitalism is the leading cause of child pornography.

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Postby Bendira » Wed Jun 23, 2010 5:42 pm

Come on guys, there is no such thing as an off duty cop!

http://www.wisegeek.com/does-an-off-dut ... hority.htm

"Different police departments have different policies concerning the authority of off-duty officers, but in many places an off-duty police officer does have the legal right to detain an offender until an on-duty officer arrives to finish the process".
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Postby Panzerjaeger » Wed Jun 23, 2010 5:42 pm

Andaluciae wrote:
Natapoc wrote:
Katganistan wrote:
Natapoc wrote:
Bendira wrote:Not even surprised. Like 3 or 4 stories like this atleast a week lately.


In another thread it was said that resisting refusing to follow the order of a police officer is "resisting arrest? " Do you think the 11 year old girl should be charged with resisting arrest?

Don't be foolish. He was off duty in commission, allegedly, of a crime -- not in uniform and at work.

I know you hate the police and everything about them is abuse, but this is pretty transparently NOT a police officer in commission of his duties.


I don't really hate them actually. I don't like the way power and hierarchy work together to create dangerous situations for individuals.


Then focus on more than just the police, and don't use individual police officers committing crimes as representatives for the entire profession.

But then she wouldn't be a anarchist anymore. You gotta hate the State and any symbol of authority for no other reason then you can.
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Postby Natapoc » Wed Jun 23, 2010 5:43 pm

Bendira wrote:Come on guys, there is no such thing as an off duty cop!

http://www.wisegeek.com/does-an-off-dut ... hority.htm

"Different police departments have different policies concerning the authority of off-duty officers, but in many places an off-duty police officer does have the legal right to detain an offender until an on-duty officer arrives to finish the process".


Interesting. Yes I've seen this claimed in other threads but I was beginning to doubt.

What do you think of the bail amount?
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Postby Radictistan » Wed Jun 23, 2010 5:47 pm

To me this whole thing screams of him being protected because he's a cop. I bet he'll be acquitted at trial. No jury in this country would convict a police officer for something like that.

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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jun 23, 2010 5:48 pm

Bendira wrote:Come on guys, there is no such thing as an off duty cop!

http://www.wisegeek.com/does-an-off-dut ... hority.htm

"Different police departments have different policies concerning the authority of off-duty officers, but in many places an off-duty police officer does have the legal right to detain an offender until an on-duty officer arrives to finish the process".

He was also out of his jurisdiction. And I don't see why it matters whether he's off-duty or not. He wasn't trying to use his position as a police officer to get away with kidnapping, he was trying to use $100 and a truck.

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Postby Natapoc » Wed Jun 23, 2010 5:49 pm

Radictistan wrote:To me this whole thing screams of him being protected because he's a cop. I bet he'll be acquitted at trial. No jury in this country would convict a police officer for something like that.


That is what I think too. Do you see an ordinary man having just $2500 bail after trying to lure a girl into his car 3 times with $100?

Clearly he has money to spare. All from the taxpayer too!
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Postby Panzerjaeger » Wed Jun 23, 2010 5:49 pm

Radictistan wrote:To me this whole thing screams of him being protected because he's a cop. I bet he'll be acquitted at trial. No jury in this country would convict a police officer for something like that.

That isn't even remotely true. A cop in my smalltown was arrested and found guilty of sexually assaulting a woman during a traffic stop.
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Postby Andaluciae » Wed Jun 23, 2010 5:49 pm

Natapoc wrote:
Bendira wrote:Come on guys, there is no such thing as an off duty cop!

http://www.wisegeek.com/does-an-off-dut ... hority.htm

"Different police departments have different policies concerning the authority of off-duty officers, but in many places an off-duty police officer does have the legal right to detain an offender until an on-duty officer arrives to finish the process".


Interesting. Yes I've seen this claimed in other threads but I was beginning to doubt.

What do you think of the bail amount?


I mean, the crimes the guy has been charged with, and the crimes that are likely capable of being proven in court, really wouldn't call for much more than that.

We can certainly infer that he was after a lot more, and more severe, activities, but he didn't commit them, and there isn't any direct evidence that he was planning to commit them.
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Postby Monahtan » Wed Jun 23, 2010 5:49 pm

Radictistan wrote:To me this whole thing screams of him being protected because he's a cop. I bet he'll be acquitted at trial. No jury in this country would convict a police officer for something like that.


Actually, juries love this kind of thing. He'll get convicted.

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Postby Bendira » Wed Jun 23, 2010 5:49 pm

Natapoc wrote:
Bendira wrote:Come on guys, there is no such thing as an off duty cop!

http://www.wisegeek.com/does-an-off-dut ... hority.htm

"Different police departments have different policies concerning the authority of off-duty officers, but in many places an off-duty police officer does have the legal right to detain an offender until an on-duty officer arrives to finish the process".


Interesting. Yes I've seen this claimed in other threads but I was beginning to doubt.

What do you think of the bail amount?


http://image.examiner.com/x-3083-Boston ... 10000-bail

Mr. Zelaya's $10,000 dollar bail sure is odd...

http://www.thisisderbyshire.co.uk/news/ ... ticle.html

These guys didn't even get bails!
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Postby Indeos » Wed Jun 23, 2010 5:50 pm

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Bendira wrote:Come on guys, there is no such thing as an off duty cop!

http://www.wisegeek.com/does-an-off-dut ... hority.htm

"Different police departments have different policies concerning the authority of off-duty officers, but in many places an off-duty police officer does have the legal right to detain an offender until an on-duty officer arrives to finish the process".

He was also out of his jurisdiction. And I don't see why it matters whether he's off-duty or not. He wasn't trying to use his position as a police officer to get away with kidnapping, he was trying to use $100 and a truck.


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Postby Sibirsky » Wed Jun 23, 2010 5:51 pm

Natapoc wrote:A New York City Police officer has been charged with attempting to lure a little girl into his car with promises of $100.

http://www.wten.com/global/Story.asp?s=12697236

The smart little girl ran to her grandparents house for help. I wonder how many other girls he has victimized in the past who decided to get into his car for the $100? Are they still alive to tell about it?

Bail for the would be kidnapper has been put at bail $2,500.

What do you think about this? Is the bail to low for someone who has been accused of predatory behavior of this type? When the police investigating the claims first interviewed the criminal he claimed to be self employed despite the fact that fingerprints later proved he was employed as a cop.

If a normal citizen lies about being a cop they can be charged. Should the opposite be true also? If a cop lies and claims that he is self employed and not, a member of the police department should there be a charge equivalent to "impersonating a civilian?"


Sick fuck. And $2500 is way too low. I'm not sure what the maximum penalty is for this offense, but that's what he should get.
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Postby Natapoc » Wed Jun 23, 2010 5:52 pm

Andaluciae wrote:
Natapoc wrote:
Bendira wrote:Come on guys, there is no such thing as an off duty cop!

http://www.wisegeek.com/does-an-off-dut ... hority.htm

"Different police departments have different policies concerning the authority of off-duty officers, but in many places an off-duty police officer does have the legal right to detain an offender until an on-duty officer arrives to finish the process".


Interesting. Yes I've seen this claimed in other threads but I was beginning to doubt.

What do you think of the bail amount?


I mean, the crimes the guy has been charged with, and the crimes that are likely capable of being proven in court, really wouldn't call for much more than that.

We can certainly infer that he was after a lot more, and more severe, activities, but he didn't commit them, and there isn't any direct evidence that he was planning to commit them.


According to "law enforcement" by the time such people tend to be caught they have already gone after several victims. They should link missing children reports that match his area and investigate the possibility that he is involved in their vanishing.

I suggest DNA analysis of his car and a warrants to inspect ever corner of his house and dig up his back yard to see if any bones are back there.
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Postby Panzerjaeger » Wed Jun 23, 2010 5:52 pm

Sibirsky wrote:
Natapoc wrote:A New York City Police officer has been charged with attempting to lure a little girl into his car with promises of $100.

http://www.wten.com/global/Story.asp?s=12697236

The smart little girl ran to her grandparents house for help. I wonder how many other girls he has victimized in the past who decided to get into his car for the $100? Are they still alive to tell about it?

Bail for the would be kidnapper has been put at bail $2,500.

What do you think about this? Is the bail to low for someone who has been accused of predatory behavior of this type? When the police investigating the claims first interviewed the criminal he claimed to be self employed despite the fact that fingerprints later proved he was employed as a cop.

If a normal citizen lies about being a cop they can be charged. Should the opposite be true also? If a cop lies and claims that he is self employed and not, a member of the police department should there be a charge equivalent to "impersonating a civilian?"


Sick fuck. And $2500 is way too low. I'm not sure what the maximum penalty is for this offense, but that's what he should get.

Complain to the Judge they set the bail.
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Postby Bendira » Wed Jun 23, 2010 5:52 pm

Indeos wrote:
Ifreann wrote:
Bendira wrote:Come on guys, there is no such thing as an off duty cop!

http://www.wisegeek.com/does-an-off-dut ... hority.htm

"Different police departments have different policies concerning the authority of off-duty officers, but in many places an off-duty police officer does have the legal right to detain an offender until an on-duty officer arrives to finish the process".

He was also out of his jurisdiction. And I don't see why it matters whether he's off-duty or not. He wasn't trying to use his position as a police officer to get away with kidnapping, he was trying to use $100 and a truck.


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I make minimum wage at a grocery store, but I payed over $100 dollars in taxes this year. He used MY MONEY to try to kidnap this girl! That truck was bought by the taxpayers as well.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jun 23, 2010 5:53 pm

Radictistan wrote:To me this whole thing screams of him being protected because he's a cop. I bet he'll be acquitted at trial. No jury in this country would convict a police officer for something like that.

No jury would convict him of attempting to kidnap a child? I rather think you're wrong on that one.

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Postby Monahtan » Wed Jun 23, 2010 5:53 pm

Sibirsky wrote:
Natapoc wrote:A New York City Police officer has been charged with attempting to lure a little girl into his car with promises of $100.

http://www.wten.com/global/Story.asp?s=12697236

The smart little girl ran to her grandparents house for help. I wonder how many other girls he has victimized in the past who decided to get into his car for the $100? Are they still alive to tell about it?

Bail for the would be kidnapper has been put at bail $2,500.

What do you think about this? Is the bail to low for someone who has been accused of predatory behavior of this type? When the police investigating the claims first interviewed the criminal he claimed to be self employed despite the fact that fingerprints later proved he was employed as a cop.

If a normal citizen lies about being a cop they can be charged. Should the opposite be true also? If a cop lies and claims that he is self employed and not, a member of the police department should there be a charge equivalent to "impersonating a civilian?"


Sick fuck. And $2500 is way too low. I'm not sure what the maximum penalty is for this offense, but that's what he should get.


I don't know what it is in new york, but attempting to lure or entice a child in Florida is a 1st degree misdemeanor.

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Postby Radictistan » Wed Jun 23, 2010 5:55 pm

Monahtan wrote:
Radictistan wrote:To me this whole thing screams of him being protected because he's a cop. I bet he'll be acquitted at trial. No jury in this country would convict a police officer for something like that.


Actually, juries love this kind of thing. He'll get convicted.


They sure don't where I live. My local police department shoots people for no reason all the time and no one has ever gotten fired for it never mind going to prison.

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Postby Sibirsky » Wed Jun 23, 2010 5:56 pm

Zeppy wrote:
Natapoc wrote:I don't really hate them actually. I don't like the way power and hierarchy work together to create dangerous situations for individuals.

Capitalism is the leading cause of child pornography.


Pedophiles are the leading cause of child pornography. Capitalism, in a sick way, does it's job by fulfilling demand.
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Postby Monahtan » Wed Jun 23, 2010 5:56 pm

Radictistan wrote:
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Radictistan wrote:To me this whole thing screams of him being protected because he's a cop. I bet he'll be acquitted at trial. No jury in this country would convict a police officer for something like that.


Actually, juries love this kind of thing. He'll get convicted.


They sure don't where I live. My local police department shoots people for no reason all the time and no one has ever gotten fired for it never mind going to prison.


And where is that?

We have a couple shootings every year at my department and each and every one is investigated by about 4 different state agencies before the officers are cleared. Unless you live in the middle of nowhere in a place like West Virginia, I don't know if I believe that.
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