Get into the car little girl - COP

[Allbeama]

I've seen cases of raids with just an anonymous tip. I'm still looking for that other thread.

I saw a whole family killed when the Police rolled through their house in a M-1A1 Abrams in response to an armed robbery down the street. Police brutality I say.

You are amazing.

A wise man once said- "No justice, no peace, don't trust the Police"

[Monahtan]

Come on guys, there is no such thing as an off duty cop!

http://www.wisegeek.com/does-an-off-dut ... hority.htm

"Different police departments have different policies concerning the authority of off-duty officers, but in many places an off-duty police officer does have the legal right to detain an offender until an on-duty officer arrives to finish the process".

*Cough*

Furthermore, only about 2000 complaints filled in 2002 (of 26k) on large police agencies had any merit.

59% of officers were accused. 8% of 59% becomes 4.72%...Not exactly institutionalized brutality.

Pfft you filthy fascist apologist.

4.72% us 4.72% too much, but anarchists are blowing it way out of proportion.

Agreed, but again it isn't the systematic corruption that they are claiming. I am failing to see a State Sponsored Terror campaign. Unless 4.72% doesn't equal the same amount in Anarchist math which is possible.

You think I'm claiming that the state is organizing police gangs to go around shooting and/or beating people? Of course not. The problem is, there seems to be a lot of fucking cops who get their rocks off on beating/shooting/tazing people, and there's nowhere near enough accountability. Then there's the whole militarization of police forces that Sibirsky is talking about, where no-knock, middle-of-the-night raids become common for petty drug offenders.

Why should drug offenders be treated differently than a murderer? They're both criminals and they should both be taken down the same way. You shouldn't get leniency because of the TYPE of crime you commit

Because it's fucking retarded and it gets citizens (oftentimes innocent!), pets, and police officers killed.

Proving guilt or innocence isn't the SWAT team's job. If the pets die, it's because they believed it was a dangerous pet. You can find sources citing where they killed Fido, but you won't find many, I'm sure. And as for officers getting killed... well... that just proves the need for the SWAT team in the first place.

[Sibirsky]

Come on guys, there is no such thing as an off duty cop!

http://www.wisegeek.com/does-an-off-dut ... hority.htm

"Different police departments have different policies concerning the authority of off-duty officers, but in many places an off-duty police officer does have the legal right to detain an offender until an on-duty officer arrives to finish the process".

*Cough*

Furthermore, only about 2000 complaints filled in 2002 (of 26k) on large police agencies had any merit.

59% of officers were accused. 8% of 59% becomes 4.72%...Not exactly institutionalized brutality.

Pfft you filthy fascist apologist.

4.72% us 4.72% too much, but anarchists are blowing it way out of proportion.

Agreed, but again it isn't the systematic corruption that they are claiming. I am failing to see a State Sponsored Terror campaign. Unless 4.72% doesn't equal the same amount in Anarchist math which is possible.

It's 472% in Anarchistian.

The point is that it isn't very large.

I dunno 5% is a lot.

[Panzerjaeger]

Come on guys, there is no such thing as an off duty cop!

http://www.wisegeek.com/does-an-off-dut ... hority.htm

"Different police departments have different policies concerning the authority of off-duty officers, but in many places an off-duty police officer does have the legal right to detain an offender until an on-duty officer arrives to finish the process".

*Cough*

Furthermore, only about 2000 complaints filled in 2002 (of 26k) on large police agencies had any merit.

59% of officers were accused. 8% of 59% becomes 4.72%...Not exactly institutionalized brutality.

Pfft you filthy fascist apologist.

4.72% us 4.72% too much, but anarchists are blowing it way out of proportion.

Agreed, but again it isn't the systematic corruption that they are claiming. I am failing to see a State Sponsored Terror campaign. Unless 4.72% doesn't equal the same amount in Anarchist math which is possible.

It's 472% in Anarchistian.

The point is that it isn't very large.

I dunno 5% is a lot.

If you suck at math sure.

[Chrobalta]

If you suck at math sure.

That is 1 in 20. Seems like quite a few to me.

[Sibirsky]

Come on guys, there is no such thing as an off duty cop!

http://www.wisegeek.com/does-an-off-dut ... hority.htm

"Different police departments have different policies concerning the authority of off-duty officers, but in many places an off-duty police officer does have the legal right to detain an offender until an on-duty officer arrives to finish the process".

*Cough*

Furthermore, only about 2000 complaints filled in 2002 (of 26k) on large police agencies had any merit.

59% of officers were accused. 8% of 59% becomes 4.72%...Not exactly institutionalized brutality.

Pfft you filthy fascist apologist.

4.72% us 4.72% too much, but anarchists are blowing it way out of proportion.

Agreed, but again it isn't the systematic corruption that they are claiming. I am failing to see a State Sponsored Terror campaign. Unless 4.72% doesn't equal the same amount in Anarchist math which is possible.

You think I'm claiming that the state is organizing police gangs to go around shooting and/or beating people? Of course not. The problem is, there seems to be a lot of fucking cops who get their rocks off on beating/shooting/tazing people, and there's nowhere near enough accountability. Then there's the whole militarization of police forces that Sibirsky is talking about, where no-knock, middle-of-the-night raids become common for petty drug offenders.

Aha. Of course they are militarized. They are a fighting a war.

I'm split on whether SWAT forces should be used for drug junkies and dealers- it seems to me that there's always a lot of danger with people who are high on narcotics, and insensitive to pain.

As far as massive dealers go. A) They are dealing with a product of very high value, because it is illegal. B) They are dealing with property that they cannot get police protection for. So obviously, they will be armed to the teeth. But junkies? Or even potheads? That's overkill to say the least.

[Yootopia]

The smart little girl ran to her grandparents house for help. I wonder how many other girls he has victimized in the past who decided to get into his car for the $100? Are they still alive to tell about it?

You argue like Bill O'Reilly.

[Sibirsky]

Come on guys, there is no such thing as an off duty cop!

http://www.wisegeek.com/does-an-off-dut ... hority.htm

"Different police departments have different policies concerning the authority of off-duty officers, but in many places an off-duty police officer does have the legal right to detain an offender until an on-duty officer arrives to finish the process".

*Cough*

Furthermore, only about 2000 complaints filled in 2002 (of 26k) on large police agencies had any merit.

59% of officers were accused. 8% of 59% becomes 4.72%...Not exactly institutionalized brutality.

Pfft you filthy fascist apologist.

4.72% us 4.72% too much, but anarchists are blowing it way out of proportion.

Agreed, but again it isn't the systematic corruption that they are claiming. I am failing to see a State Sponsored Terror campaign. Unless 4.72% doesn't equal the same amount in Anarchist math which is possible.

You think I'm claiming that the state is organizing police gangs to go around shooting and/or beating people? Of course not. The problem is, there seems to be a lot of fucking cops who get their rocks off on beating/shooting/tazing people, and there's nowhere near enough accountability. Then there's the whole militarization of police forces that Sibirsky is talking about, where no-knock, middle-of-the-night raids become common for petty drug offenders.

Why should drug offenders be treated differently than a murderer? They're both criminals and they should both be taken down the same way. You shouldn't get leniency because of the TYPE of crime you commit

Because it's fucking retarded and it gets citizens (oftentimes innocent!), pets, and police officers killed.

Proving guilt or innocence isn't the SWAT team's job. If the pets die, it's because they believed it was a dangerous pet. You can find sources citing where they killed Fido, but you won't find many, I'm sure. And as for officers getting killed... well... that just proves the need for the SWAT team in the first place.

The MD mayor says he's dog was running away when it was shot.

[Sibirsky]

Come on guys, there is no such thing as an off duty cop!

http://www.wisegeek.com/does-an-off-dut ... hority.htm

"Different police departments have different policies concerning the authority of off-duty officers, but in many places an off-duty police officer does have the legal right to detain an offender until an on-duty officer arrives to finish the process".

*Cough*

Furthermore, only about 2000 complaints filled in 2002 (of 26k) on large police agencies had any merit.

59% of officers were accused. 8% of 59% becomes 4.72%...Not exactly institutionalized brutality.

Pfft you filthy fascist apologist.

4.72% us 4.72% too much, but anarchists are blowing it way out of proportion.

Agreed, but again it isn't the systematic corruption that they are claiming. I am failing to see a State Sponsored Terror campaign. Unless 4.72% doesn't equal the same amount in Anarchist math which is possible.

It's 472% in Anarchistian.

The point is that it isn't very large.

I dunno 5% is a lot.

If you suck at math sure.

1 in 20. How any raids are there per day?

[Sibirsky]

If you suck at math sure.

That is 1 in 20. Seems like quite a few to me.

Thank you.

[Monahtan]

Come on guys, there is no such thing as an off duty cop!

http://www.wisegeek.com/does-an-off-dut ... hority.htm

"Different police departments have different policies concerning the authority of off-duty officers, but in many places an off-duty police officer does have the legal right to detain an offender until an on-duty officer arrives to finish the process".

*Cough*

Furthermore, only about 2000 complaints filled in 2002 (of 26k) on large police agencies had any merit.

59% of officers were accused. 8% of 59% becomes 4.72%...Not exactly institutionalized brutality.

Pfft you filthy fascist apologist.

4.72% us 4.72% too much, but anarchists are blowing it way out of proportion.

Agreed, but again it isn't the systematic corruption that they are claiming. I am failing to see a State Sponsored Terror campaign. Unless 4.72% doesn't equal the same amount in Anarchist math which is possible.

You think I'm claiming that the state is organizing police gangs to go around shooting and/or beating people? Of course not. The problem is, there seems to be a lot of fucking cops who get their rocks off on beating/shooting/tazing people, and there's nowhere near enough accountability. Then there's the whole militarization of police forces that Sibirsky is talking about, where no-knock, middle-of-the-night raids become common for petty drug offenders.

Why should drug offenders be treated differently than a murderer? They're both criminals and they should both be taken down the same way. You shouldn't get leniency because of the TYPE of crime you commit

Because it's fucking retarded and it gets citizens (oftentimes innocent!), pets, and police officers killed.

Proving guilt or innocence isn't the SWAT team's job. If the pets die, it's because they believed it was a dangerous pet. You can find sources citing where they killed Fido, but you won't find many, I'm sure. And as for officers getting killed... well... that just proves the need for the SWAT team in the first place.

The MD mayor says he's dog was running away when it was shot.

Coming from a person who had a warrant and the need to be raided in the first place... not a credible source.

[Utvara]

And as for officers getting killed... well... that just proves the need for the SWAT team in the first place.

You can't see how busting into someones house in the middle of the night might make them likely to shoot you in the fucking face?

[Sibirsky]

Come on guys, there is no such thing as an off duty cop!

http://www.wisegeek.com/does-an-off-dut ... hority.htm

"Different police departments have different policies concerning the authority of off-duty officers, but in many places an off-duty police officer does have the legal right to detain an offender until an on-duty officer arrives to finish the process".

*Cough*

Furthermore, only about 2000 complaints filled in 2002 (of 26k) on large police agencies had any merit.

59% of officers were accused. 8% of 59% becomes 4.72%...Not exactly institutionalized brutality.

Pfft you filthy fascist apologist.

4.72% us 4.72% too much, but anarchists are blowing it way out of proportion.

Agreed, but again it isn't the systematic corruption that they are claiming. I am failing to see a State Sponsored Terror campaign. Unless 4.72% doesn't equal the same amount in Anarchist math which is possible.

You think I'm claiming that the state is organizing police gangs to go around shooting and/or beating people? Of course not. The problem is, there seems to be a lot of fucking cops who get their rocks off on beating/shooting/tazing people, and there's nowhere near enough accountability. Then there's the whole militarization of police forces that Sibirsky is talking about, where no-knock, middle-of-the-night raids become common for petty drug offenders.

Why should drug offenders be treated differently than a murderer? They're both criminals and they should both be taken down the same way. You shouldn't get leniency because of the TYPE of crime you commit

Because it's fucking retarded and it gets citizens (oftentimes innocent!), pets, and police officers killed.

Proving guilt or innocence isn't the SWAT team's job. If the pets die, it's because they believed it was a dangerous pet. You can find sources citing where they killed Fido, but you won't find many, I'm sure. And as for officers getting killed... well... that just proves the need for the SWAT team in the first place.

The MD mayor says he's dog was running away when it was shot.

Coming from a person who had a warrant and the need to be raided in the first place... not a credible source.

Yes they had a warrant and probable cause. He was also acquitted.

[Monahtan]

And as for officers getting killed... well... that just proves the need for the SWAT team in the first place.

You can't see how busting into someones house in the middle of the night might make them likely to shoot you in the fucking face?

There are very few no-knock exceptions to warrants. And, that being said, having a weapon in the house PERIOD proves the need for armed, protected, and specially trained police officers. I don't serve warrants at my department (because it's all handled by the Sheriff's office), but there are times when we have to clear buildings and being armed with a 9mm pistol and a ballistic vest (if I wear it that day) aren't enough.

[Caninope]

If you suck at math sure.

That is 1 in 20. Seems like quite a few to me.

1 in 5 women will be abused by a spouse or significant other in their life time.

5.7% percent of deaths are caused by Cerebrovascular diseases (high/low blood pressure).

11% percent of Americans have had sex on a plane or train: http://social.jrank.org/pages/1231/Sexu ... ation.html

I'm telling, 4.72% is not large.

[Caninope]

Guys, remember that the 4.72% figure is simply of complaints against police officers, and does not reveal the severity of the incident, nor the nature of the incident.

[Chrobalta]

If you suck at math sure.

That is 1 in 20. Seems like quite a few to me.

1 in 5 women will be abused by a spouse or significant other in their life time.

5.7% percent of deaths are caused by Cerebrovascular diseases (high/low blood pressure).

11% percent of Americans have had sex on a plane or train: http://social.jrank.org/pages/1231/Sexu ... ation.html

I'm telling, 4.72% is not large.

So because some other things occur more often, 5% is therefore insignificant? I think not.

[Caninope]

If you suck at math sure.

That is 1 in 20. Seems like quite a few to me.

1 in 5 women will be abused by a spouse or significant other in their life time.

5.7% percent of deaths are caused by Cerebrovascular diseases (high/low blood pressure).

11% percent of Americans have had sex on a plane or train: http://social.jrank.org/pages/1231/Sexu ... ation.html

I'm telling, 4.72% is not large.

So because some other things occur more often, 5% is therefore insignificant? I think not.

No, but 5% isn't significant enough to throw a hissy fit over, complaining about problems with the institution.

[Chrobalta]

No, but 5% isn't significant enough to throw a hissy fit over, complaining about problems with the institution.

Yes it is. My tax dollars are funding them.

[MisanthropicPopulism]

Not even surprised. Like 3 or 4 stories like this atleast a week lately.

In another thread it was said that resisting refusing to follow the order of a police officer is "resisting arrest? " Do you think the 11 year old girl should be charged with resisting arrest?

I see I wasn't the only one expecting the family to be charged by the police department for some superfluous crime.

[Monahtan]

Not even surprised. Like 3 or 4 stories like this atleast a week lately.

In another thread it was said that resisting refusing to follow the order of a police officer is "resisting arrest? " Do you think the 11 year old girl should be charged with resisting arrest?

I see I wasn't the only one expecting the family to be charged by the police department for some superfluous crime.

First off all, the guy wasn't on duty nor was he acting like he was by telling the girl he was a cop. And, disobeying a command is "resisting an officer" not resisting arrest.

[Natapoc]

If you suck at math sure.

That is 1 in 20. Seems like quite a few to me.

1 in 5 women will be abused by a spouse or significant other in their life time.

5.7% percent of deaths are caused by Cerebrovascular diseases (high/low blood pressure).

11% percent of Americans have had sex on a plane or train: http://social.jrank.org/pages/1231/Sexu ... ation.html

I'm telling, 4.72% is not large.

Wait, so you are saying that cops are worse then cardiovascular disease?

I also want to take this moment to congratulate 11% of Americans for using public transportation!

[Caninope]

If you suck at math sure.

That is 1 in 20. Seems like quite a few to me.

1 in 5 women will be abused by a spouse or significant other in their life time.

5.7% percent of deaths are caused by Cerebrovascular diseases (high/low blood pressure).

11% percent of Americans have had sex on a plane or train: http://social.jrank.org/pages/1231/Sexu ... ation.html

I'm telling, 4.72% is not large.

Wait, so you are saying that cops are worse then cardiovascular disease?

I also want to take this moment to congratulate 11% of Americans for using public transportation!

No, I'm trying to say that is NOT a problem with the institution. If you want to go after someone, go after the individuals, not the larger institution.