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Postby Daistallia 2104 » Fri Jun 18, 2010 7:37 pm

$7-a-gallon gas?
The folly of O's oil-spill 'fix'

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President Obama has a solution to the Gulf oil spill: $7-a-gallon gas.

That's a Harvard University study's estimate of the per-gallon price of the president's global-warming agenda. And Obama made clear this week that this agenda is a part of his plan for addressing the Gulf mess.

So what does global-warming legislation have to do with the oil spill?

Good question, because such measures wouldn't do a thing to clean up the oil or fix the problems that led to the leak.

The answer can be found in Obama Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel's now-famous words, "You never want a serious crisis to go to waste -- and what I mean by that is it's an opportunity to do things that you think you could not do before."
Obama: Using Gulf crisis to push unpopular cap-and-trade bill.
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Obama: Using Gulf crisis to push unpopular cap-and-trade bill.

That sure was true of global-warming policy, and especially the cap-and-trade bill. Many observers thought the measure, introduced last year in the House by Reps. Henry Waxman (D-Calif.) and Edward Markey (D-Mass.), was dead: The American people didn't seem to think that the so-called global-warming crisis justified a price-hiking, job-killing, economy-crushing redesign of our energy supply amid a fragile recovery. Passing another major piece of legislation, one every bit as unpopular as ObamaCare, appeared unlikely in an election year.

So Obama and congressional proponents of cap-and-trade spent several months rebranding it -- downplaying the global-warming rationale and claiming that it was really a jobs bill (the so-called green jobs were supposed to spring from the new clean-energy economy) and an energy-independence bill (that will somehow stick it to OPEC).

Sens. John Kerry (D-Mass.) and Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) even reportedly declined to introduce their new cap-and-trade proposal in the Senate on Earth Day, because they wanted to de-emphasize the global-warming message. Instead, Kerry called the American Power Act "a plan that creates jobs and sets us on a course toward energy independence and economic resurgence."

But the new marketing strategy wasn't working. Few believe the green-jobs hype -- with good reason. In Spain, for example, green jobs have been an expensive bust, with each position created requiring, on average, $774,000 in government subsidies. And the logic of getting us off oil imports via a unilateral measure that punishes American coal, oil and natural gas never made any sense at all.

Now the president is repackaging cap-and-trade -- again -- as a long-term solution to the oil spill. But it's the same old agenda, a huge energy tax that will raise the cost of gasoline and electricity high enough so that we're forced to use less.

The logic linking cap-and-trade to the spill in the Gulf should frighten anyone who owns a car or truck. Such measures force up the price at the pump -- Harvard Kennedy School's Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs thinks it "may require gas prices greater than $7 a gallon by 2020" to meet Obama's stated goal of reducing emissions 14 percent from the transportation sector.

Of course, doing so would reduce gasoline use and also raise market share for hugely expensive alternative fuels and vehicles that could never compete otherwise. Less gasoline demand means less need for drilling and thus a slightly reduced chance of a repeat of the Deepwater Horizon spill -- but only slightly. Oil will still be a vital part of America's energy mix.

Oil-spill risks should be addressed directly -- such as finding out why the leak occurred and requiring new preventive measures or preparing an improved cleanup plan for the next incident. Cap-and-trade is no fix and would cause trillions of dollars in collateral economic damage along the way.

Emanuel was wrong. The administration shouldn't view each crisis -- including the oil spill -- as an opportunity to be exploited, but as a problem to be addressed. And America can't afford $7-a-gallon gas.

Ben Lieberman is senior analyst of energy and environmental policy in The Heritage Founda tion's Roe Institute.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/op ... elOV3k0RsK

Note the gasoline prices for 3/22/10 (the last week the source had data for):
Belgium $7.18
France $6.98
Germany $7.12
Italy $7.06
Netherlands $7.68
UK $6.65
US $3.05
http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/international/gas1.html

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Postby Greed and Death » Fri Jun 18, 2010 7:46 pm

Aren't the European prices higher because of the fuel taxes?
Reality would likely be the price with little or no Tax.
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Postby Person012345 » Fri Jun 18, 2010 7:59 pm

greed and death wrote:Aren't the European prices higher because of the fuel taxes?
Reality would likely be the price with little or no Tax.

The average prices in the UK Per litre <--highlighted so people don't think it's the same measurement as the US. you'll have to work it out in gallons yourself.
Unleaded: 118.1p
Diesel: 120.5p
LRP: 122.2p
Super: 125.4p
LPG: 64.7p

If petrol cost 119.9p here's how it would be split up (note Duty is tax, and VAT is tax. In fact, with fuel you pay tax on the tax, because the fuel duty adds value to the fuel, so you pay value added tax on the fuel duty):
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Postby Trollgaard » Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:05 pm

I can't afford $7 per gallon gas.

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Postby Person012345 » Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:07 pm

Oh hell, I'll go ahead and do the unleaded for you. For one gallon of petrol in the UK it is around £4.50, which in old (pre-recession) money is $9, and in current money is $6.5. The reason I post pre-recession figures is that people don't have more money now than they did before the recession, so in terms of actual cost, if I'm working it out correctly, it's basically the same.

I could be completely wrong though.
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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:09 pm

If the price starts getting too high, I suspect we'll start seeing a lot of people making their own alcohol based fuel. I know I'll consider it (or investigate the possibility of getting a diesel engine for my truck, which would allow me to use bio-diesel/WVO).
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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:09 pm

Trollgaard wrote:I can't afford $7 per gallon gas.


I doubt many people in the US can.
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Postby Person012345 » Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:10 pm

Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Trollgaard wrote:I can't afford $7 per gallon gas.


I doubt many people in the US can.

We do it fine, what's so different about the US?

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Postby Chrobalta » Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:10 pm

Gun Manufacturers wrote:If the price starts getting too high, I suspect we'll start seeing a lot of people making their own alcohol based fuel.

And by that you mean walking around drunk? ;)
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Postby Berizniki » Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:11 pm

Hmm that US price must be the average b/c i payed 2.63 today, now way could i afford $7 hmm that would mean i'd be paying around 6.68...

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Postby Trollgaard » Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:12 pm

Person012345 wrote:
Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Trollgaard wrote:I can't afford $7 per gallon gas.


I doubt many people in the US can.

We do it fine, what's so different about the US?


Everything is spread out with shitty public transportation.

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Postby Qwcasd » Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:12 pm

Cheap gas is way more needed because of the way US infrastructure is set up.
I think we should design all legislation with that in mind, just like Obama is.
These accusations are ridiculous
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Postby Panzerjaeger » Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:13 pm

Trollgaard wrote:
Person012345 wrote:
Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Trollgaard wrote:I can't afford $7 per gallon gas.


I doubt many people in the US can.

We do it fine, what's so different about the US?


Everything is spread out with shitty public transportation.

Exactly. In the rural parts of the US you would literally be fucked if the prices were that high.
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Postby OMGeverynameistaken » Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:15 pm

Person012345 wrote:
Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Trollgaard wrote:I can't afford $7 per gallon gas.


I doubt many people in the US can.

We do it fine, what's so different about the US?

You have to drive everywhere. There is no public transportation in many places, and in those places that DO have public transport, it usually sucks.
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Postby Consaria » Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:16 pm

I think if this happens, the Tea Party will finally start a revolution.
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Postby Lacadaemon » Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:17 pm

Eh? Oil has to be about $55 a barrel.

Well the US government could get religion or some shit, but until then, $55 it is.
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Postby Person012345 » Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:17 pm

OMGeverynameistaken wrote:
Person012345 wrote:
Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Trollgaard wrote:I can't afford $7 per gallon gas.


I doubt many people in the US can.

We do it fine, what's so different about the US?

You have to drive everywhere. There is no public transportation in many places, and in those places that DO have public transport, it usually sucks.

Actually, I believe the same can be said for rural parts of the UK.

But I accept the point that it's bigger may have an effect.

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Postby Vanished shame » Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:18 pm

Trollgaard wrote:I can't afford $7 per gallon gas.

sure you can.
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Postby SaintB » Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:20 pm

Trollgaard wrote:I can't afford $7 per gallon gas.

The rich can and thats all that matters.
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Postby Maurepas » Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:20 pm

We don't have a public transport system like those countries. If gas really got that high, I think there'd be violence tbh, hell, I'd consider joining it, that'd be it for me, I couldn't afford to make it to the city, that means no work, no food, no nothing, >_>

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Postby Rolling squid » Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:21 pm

About time. Maybe that will force some changes, force us to actually build a decent nation-wide public transport network, as well as reviving the inner city trains.
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Postby Panzerjaeger » Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:22 pm

Maurepas wrote:We don't have a public transport system like those countries. If gas really got that high, I think there'd be violence tbh, hell, I'd consider joining it, that'd be it for me, I couldn't afford to make it to the city, that means no work, no food, no nothing, >_>

Exactly thus screwing tons of people who have to drive to cities in order to work. Excellent idea! Destroy the economy completely by making it impossible for the workers to go to work!
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Postby Maurepas » Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:24 pm

Panzerjaeger wrote:
Maurepas wrote:We don't have a public transport system like those countries. If gas really got that high, I think there'd be violence tbh, hell, I'd consider joining it, that'd be it for me, I couldn't afford to make it to the city, that means no work, no food, no nothing, >_>

Exactly thus screwing tons of people who have to drive to cities in order to work. Excellent idea! Destroy the economy completely by making it impossible for the workers to go to work!

And I know what they'd say, "Move to the city", and the idea that I could afford an apartment in the city is even more laughable.

If I could afford that, I'd already be there.

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Postby Panzerjaeger » Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:25 pm

Maurepas wrote:
Panzerjaeger wrote:
Maurepas wrote:We don't have a public transport system like those countries. If gas really got that high, I think there'd be violence tbh, hell, I'd consider joining it, that'd be it for me, I couldn't afford to make it to the city, that means no work, no food, no nothing, >_>

Exactly thus screwing tons of people who have to drive to cities in order to work. Excellent idea! Destroy the economy completely by making it impossible for the workers to go to work!

And I know what they'd say, "Move to the city", and the idea that I could afford an apartment in the city is even more laughable.

If I could afford that, I'd already be there.

Meh that is depressing because it sounds far too realistic. :?
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Postby Rolling squid » Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:26 pm

Maurepas wrote:
Panzerjaeger wrote:
Maurepas wrote:We don't have a public transport system like those countries. If gas really got that high, I think there'd be violence tbh, hell, I'd consider joining it, that'd be it for me, I couldn't afford to make it to the city, that means no work, no food, no nothing, >_>

Exactly thus screwing tons of people who have to drive to cities in order to work. Excellent idea! Destroy the economy completely by making it impossible for the workers to go to work!

And I know what they'd say, "Move to the city", and the idea that I could afford an apartment in the city is even more laughable.

If I could afford that, I'd already be there.


Where do you live? Most places I know of, a house in the suburbs in much more expensive than renting an apartment in the city.
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