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Was the US founded on christian beliefs?

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Was the United States founded as a christian nation?

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Was the US founded on christian beliefs?

Postby Trippoli » Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:01 pm

As much as our founding fathers have criticized Christianity, many people in the US deeply believe it was founded on Christian beliefs. One of the reasons why they think Homosexuality should be forbidden from the country. Apparently is a sin. What do you think?


Congress shall make NO law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

-US CONSTITUTION 1st AMENDMENT


As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion;

-Treaty of Tripoli


THE FOUNDING FATHERS WERE NOT CHRISTIAN?


George Washington, the first president of the United States, never declared himself a Christian according to contemporary reports or in any of his voluminous correspondence. Washington Championed the cause of freedom from religious intolerance and compulsion. When John Murray (a universalist who denied the existence of hell) was invited to become an army chaplain, the other chaplains petitioned Washington for his dismissal. Instead, Washington gave him the appointment. On his deathbed, Washinton uttered no words of a religious nature and did not call for a clergyman to be in attendance.

John Adams, the country's second president, was drawn to the study of law but faced pressure from his father to become a clergyman. He wrote that he found among the lawyers 'noble and gallant achievements" but among the clergy, the "pretended sanctity of some absolute dunces". Late in life he wrote: "Twenty times in the course of my late reading, have I been upon the point of breaking out, "This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it!"

Thomas Jefferson, third president and author of the Declaration of Independence, said:"I trust that there is not a young man now living in the United States who will not die a Unitarian." He referred to the Revelation of St. John as "the ravings of a maniac" and wrote:
The Christian priesthood, finding the doctrines of Christ levelled to every understanding and too plain to need explanation, saw, in the mysticisms of Plato, materials with which they might build up an artificial system which might, from its indistinctness, admit everlasting controversy, give employment for their order, and introduce it to profit, power, and pre-eminence. The doctrines which flowed from the lips of Jesus himself are within the comprehension of a child; but thousands of volumes have not yet explained the Platonisms engrafted on them: and for this obvious reason that nonsense can never be explained."


Benjamin Franklin, delegate to the Continental Congress and the Constitutional Convention, said:
As to Jesus of Nazareth, my Opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the System of Morals and his Religion...has received various corrupting Changes, and I have, with most of the present dissenters in England, some doubts as to his Divinity; tho' it is a question I do not dogmatize upon, having never studied it, and think it needless to busy myself with it now, when I expect soon an opportunity of knowing the Truth with less trouble." He died a month later, and historians consider him, like so many great Americans of his time, to be a Deist, not a Christian.
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Re: Was the US founded on christian beliefs?

Postby Galloism » Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:03 pm

Cool story br-

Shit.

No it's not a Christian nation, was never meant to be a Christian nation, and should remain a secular nation for as long as it remains a nation. Anyone who believes otherwise is believing a falsehood. Yes, I believe all the founding fathers believed in a deity of some sort. That does not make them Christian, and even if they were, it wouldn't matter, as the government's principles never talked about any religion - except to keep it out of government.

Furthermore, I believe all nations should be secular and free of religion as much as reasonably possible.
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Postby New Central Europe » Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:07 pm

Galloism wrote:Cool story br-

Shit.

No it's not a Christian nation, was never meant to be a Christian nation, and should remain a secular nation for as long as it remains a nation. Anyone who believes otherwise is believing a falsehood. Yes, I believe all the founding fathers believed in a deity of some sort. That does not make them Christian, and even if they were, it wouldn't matter, as the government's principles never talked about any religion - except to keep it out of government.

Furthermore, I believe all nations should be secular and free of religion as much as reasonably possible.

Agreed :clap: :clap: :clap:

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Postby Augmark » Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:08 pm

This is fine and all,wanting America to be secular, but lets focus on the real problems people. America may be very religious, but many other nations are even more so, to appalling extremes. I take Saudi Arabia, worst of the worst. I'm embarrassed for the human race that this nation even exists.

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Re: Was the US founded on christian beliefs?

Postby Sorgan » Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:11 pm

Galloism wrote:Cool story br-


Furthermore, I believe all nations should be secular and free of religion as much as reasonably possible.

LOL most annoying internetism thread :rofl:

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Re: Was the US founded on christian beliefs?

Postby Maurepas » Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:13 pm

No, it wasnt, As Thomas Jefferson put it there is a "Wall of Seperation" between the Church and the US Government...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_church_and_state_in_the_United_States#Jefferson.2C_Madison.2C_and_the_.22wall_of_separation.22
Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his god, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their "legislature" should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between church and State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.


Any educated person should know this, claiming that the US is a "Christian Nation" or any other religion thereof is ignorant, and wrong...

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Re: Was the US founded on christian beliefs?

Postby Grays Harbor » Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:18 pm

I thought the US was founded on the North American continent.







Hasn't this dead horse topic already been previously flogged enough? Just asking.
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Postby Khadgar » Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:18 pm

Treaty of Tripoli, article 11 I think.

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Re: Was the US founded on christian beliefs?

Postby Fartsniffage » Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:19 pm

Look at your nation name and then look at the treaty bearing a strong similarity to your nation name.

You have my answer.

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Postby Ferrous Oxide » Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:22 pm

It's not a Christian nation, but it's definitely a Western nation.

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Postby Minnas » Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:23 pm

If one considers the Pilgrims, then one would have to conclude that the US did start, in the beginning, as a country founded upon Christian Beliefs.
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Re: Was the US founded on christian beliefs?

Postby Maurepas » Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:24 pm

Grays Harbor wrote:I thought the US was founded on the North American continent.


In the words of the Great "Mad Dog" Tannon:

You thought Wrong, Dude!





Grays Harbor wrote:Hasn't this dead horse topic already been previously flogged enough? Just asking.

Yes it has, :roll:

People still dont seem to get the picture sometimes though...they cling to it like its their religion or something...

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Postby Maurepas » Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:25 pm

Minnas wrote:If one considers the Pilgrims, then one would have to conclude that the US did start, in the beginning, as a country founded upon Christian Beliefs.

yeah, they were totally around in 1776, and had tons of influence in the writing of our Constitution, :roll:

1620, ftw, :palm:

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Postby Buffett and Colbert » Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:26 pm

Galloism wrote:Cool story br-

Shit.



I hear ya. I had the urge to say this too... :( As to the OP though, been there done that. There will always be those who will claim otherwise, despite the evidence that the U.S. was not founded on Christian principles.
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Re: Was the US founded on christian beliefs?

Postby JuNii » Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:26 pm

Being "founded on Chritian Beliefs" does not mean "A Christian Nation".

with this statement, I say Yes, America was founded on Christian Beliefs but it is NOT a Christian Nation.
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Postby Grays Harbor » Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:26 pm

Maurepas wrote:
Grays Harbor wrote:I thought the US was founded on the North American continent.


In the words of the Great "Mad Dog" Tannon:

You thought Wrong, Dude!


Then the US isn't on the North American continent?

I guess I owe an apology to the geography students I failed when they put the US somewhere between Moscow and Capetown on a blank map.
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Postby Maurepas » Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:28 pm

Grays Harbor wrote:
Maurepas wrote:
Grays Harbor wrote:I thought the US was founded on the North American continent.


In the words of the Great "Mad Dog" Tannon:

You thought Wrong, Dude!


Then the US isn't on the North American continent?

I guess I owe an apology to the geography students I failed when they put the US somewhere between Moscow and Capetown on a blank map.

You do, :p

We werent founded on the North American Continent, We ARE the North American Continent, :lol2:

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Re: Was the US founded on christian beliefs?

Postby Ifreann » Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:28 pm

Grays Harbor wrote:Hasn't this dead horse topic already been previously flogged enough? Just asking.

This is NSG, our horses are undead and impervious to beatings.
Maurepas wrote:We werent founded on the North American Continent, We ARE the North American Continent, :lol2:

Apart from Mexico and Canada....
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Postby Grays Harbor » Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:30 pm

Maurepas wrote:
Minnas wrote:If one considers the Pilgrims, then one would have to conclude that the US did start, in the beginning, as a country founded upon Christian Beliefs.

yeah, they were totally around in 1776, and had tons of influence in the writing of our Constitution, :roll:

1620, ftw, :palm:


The only thing the pilgrims founded was a small Colony located where present day Massachusetts lies.

The pilgrims were also argueably the most intolerent group of religious fanatics this country has ever seen, forcing anybody who didn't toe the line out of the colony. Thats how Rhode Island Colony was founded, for example, by people kicked out of Plymouth Colony. Lets not forget the Salem witch trials in the late 1600's either. I don't really consider the Plymouth bay Colonists to be shining examples of what the US should emulate.
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Postby Grays Harbor » Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:31 pm

Maurepas wrote: We werent founded on the North American Continent, We ARE the North American Continent, :lol2:


A few million Canadians may disagree with you.
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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:31 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Grays Harbor wrote:Hasn't this dead horse topic already been previously flogged enough? Just asking.

This is NSG, our horses are undead and impervious to beatings.
Maurepas wrote:We werent founded on the North American Continent, We ARE the North American Continent, :lol2:

Apart from Mexico and Canada....

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Postby Maurepas » Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:32 pm

JuNii wrote:Being "founded on Chritian Beliefs" does not mean "A Christian Nation".

with this statement, I say Yes, America was founded on Christian Beliefs but it is NOT a Christian Nation.

Id have to ask you to prove that, cause the likes of Jefferson and Franklin tend to disagree, :eyebrow:

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Postby Maurepas » Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:32 pm

Grays Harbor wrote:
Maurepas wrote: We werent founded on the North American Continent, We ARE the North American Continent, :lol2:


A few million Canadians may disagree with you.

Thats the joke, I was referencing the infamous "USian" threads...

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Postby Grays Harbor » Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:33 pm

Ifreann wrote: This is NSG, our horses are undead and impervious to beatings.


should we alert the ZRT (Zombie Response Team) to the undead horses?
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Postby Grays Harbor » Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:34 pm

Maurepas wrote:
Grays Harbor wrote:
Maurepas wrote: We werent founded on the North American Continent, We ARE the North American Continent, :lol2:


A few million Canadians may disagree with you.

Thats the joke, I was referencing the infamous "USian" threads...


I really really dislike the term "USian". It just sounds way too PC, and just........ weird.
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