by Kamsaki » Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:16 am
by Mikedor » Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:18 am
Kamsaki wrote:Kyoto. Copenhagen. America, notoriously, doesn't care about the environment. And yet today we have the government acting all high and mighty on the need for environmental safeguards, new low-carbon fuel use and the accountability of British Petroleum for the damage inflicted by their operations. Suddenly, they seem to have awoken to the need for tight regulation on the acquisition of oil.
What's different? Why, it's because it's affecting the Gulf of Mexico. Screw the hundreds of thousands losing their lives across the world because of the impact of global warming; Eleven Americans die in an oil rig failure and the accountability of big oil is now of the utmost importance.
I put it to the members of NSG that America has just demonstrated why Terrorism is a warranted strategy to use against them in international diplomacy; because it doesn't care unless whatever your problems are are made to affect them directly.
by Andaluciae » Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:22 am
Kamsaki wrote:Kyoto. Copenhagen. America, notoriously, doesn't care about the environment. And yet today we have the government acting all high and mighty on the need for environmental safeguards, new low-carbon fuel use and the accountability of British Petroleum for the damage inflicted by their operations. Suddenly, they seem to have awoken to the need for tight regulation on the acquisition of oil.
What's different? Why, it's because it's affecting the Gulf of Mexico. Screw the hundreds of thousands losing their lives across the world because of the impact of global warming; Eleven Americans die in an oil rig failure and their fishermen lose their income and the accountability of big oil is now of the utmost importance.
I put it to the members of NSG that America has just demonstrated why Terrorism is a warranted strategy to use against them in international diplomacy; because it doesn't care unless whatever your problems are are made to affect them directly.
FreeAgency wrote:Shellfish eating used to be restricted to dens of sin such as Red Lobster and Long John Silvers, but now days I cannot even take my children to a public restaurant anymore (even the supposedly "family friendly ones") without risking their having to watch some deranged individual flaunting his sin...
by Illithar » Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:24 am
Kamsaki wrote:Kyoto. Copenhagen. America, notoriously, doesn't care about the environment. And yet today we have the government acting all high and mighty on the need for environmental safeguards, new low-carbon fuel use and the accountability of British Petroleum for the damage inflicted by their operations. Suddenly, they seem to have awoken to the need for tight regulation on the acquisition of oil.
What's different? Why, it's because it's affecting the Gulf of Mexico. Screw the hundreds of thousands losing their lives across the world because of the impact of global warming; Eleven Americans die in an oil rig failure and their fishermen lose their income and the accountability of big oil is now of the utmost importance.
I put it to the members of NSG that America has just demonstrated why Terrorism is a warranted strategy to use against them in international diplomacy; because it doesn't care unless whatever your problems are are made to affect them directly.
by The State of Arizona » Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:28 am
Andaluciae wrote:Kamsaki wrote:Kyoto. Copenhagen. America, notoriously, doesn't care about the environment. And yet today we have the government acting all high and mighty on the need for environmental safeguards, new low-carbon fuel use and the accountability of British Petroleum for the damage inflicted by their operations. Suddenly, they seem to have awoken to the need for tight regulation on the acquisition of oil.
What's different? Why, it's because it's affecting the Gulf of Mexico. Screw the hundreds of thousands losing their lives across the world because of the impact of global warming; Eleven Americans die in an oil rig failure and their fishermen lose their income and the accountability of big oil is now of the utmost importance.
I put it to the members of NSG that America has just demonstrated why Terrorism is a warranted strategy to use against them in international diplomacy; because it doesn't care unless whatever your problems are are made to affect them directly.
Actually, the US tried at Copenhagen--it was the developing world that scuttled anything meaningful from happening. Especially China, India, South Africa and Brazil.
by Chazicaria » Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:30 am
Kamsaki wrote:Kyoto. Copenhagen. America, notoriously, doesn't care about the environment. And yet today we have the government acting all high and mighty on the need for environmental safeguards, new low-carbon fuel use and the accountability of British Petroleum for the damage inflicted by their operations. Suddenly, they seem to have awoken to the need for tight regulation on the acquisition of oil.
What's different? Why, it's because it's affecting the Gulf of Mexico. Screw the hundreds of thousands losing their lives across the world because of the impact of global warming; Eleven Americans die in an oil rig failure and their fishermen lose their income and the accountability of big oil is now of the utmost importance.
I put it to the members of NSG that America has just demonstrated why Terrorism is a warranted strategy to use against them in international diplomacy; because it doesn't care unless whatever your problems are are made to affect them directly.
by Karsol » Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:32 am
The State of Arizona wrote:Andaluciae wrote:Kamsaki wrote:Kyoto. Copenhagen. America, notoriously, doesn't care about the environment. And yet today we have the government acting all high and mighty on the need for environmental safeguards, new low-carbon fuel use and the accountability of British Petroleum for the damage inflicted by their operations. Suddenly, they seem to have awoken to the need for tight regulation on the acquisition of oil.
What's different? Why, it's because it's affecting the Gulf of Mexico. Screw the hundreds of thousands losing their lives across the world because of the impact of global warming; Eleven Americans die in an oil rig failure and their fishermen lose their income and the accountability of big oil is now of the utmost importance.
I put it to the members of NSG that America has just demonstrated why Terrorism is a warranted strategy to use against them in international diplomacy; because it doesn't care unless whatever your problems are are made to affect them directly.
Actually, the US tried at Copenhagen--it was the developing world that scuttled anything meaningful from happening. Especially China, India, South Africa and Brazil.
Don't bother. From the wording of his opening post he's clearly chose to ignore all facts that differ from his opinion.
OP is either a poorly disguised troll or ignorant of reality.
by Puff-Puff-Pass Land » Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:34 am
Karsol wrote:The State of Arizona wrote:Andaluciae wrote:Kamsaki wrote:Kyoto. Copenhagen. America, notoriously, doesn't care about the environment. And yet today we have the government acting all high and mighty on the need for environmental safeguards, new low-carbon fuel use and the accountability of British Petroleum for the damage inflicted by their operations. Suddenly, they seem to have awoken to the need for tight regulation on the acquisition of oil.
What's different? Why, it's because it's affecting the Gulf of Mexico. Screw the hundreds of thousands losing their lives across the world because of the impact of global warming; Eleven Americans die in an oil rig failure and their fishermen lose their income and the accountability of big oil is now of the utmost importance.
I put it to the members of NSG that America has just demonstrated why Terrorism is a warranted strategy to use against them in international diplomacy; because it doesn't care unless whatever your problems are are made to affect them directly.
Actually, the US tried at Copenhagen--it was the developing world that scuttled anything meaningful from happening. Especially China, India, South Africa and Brazil.
Don't bother. From the wording of his opening post he's clearly chose to ignore all facts that differ from his opinion.
OP is either a poorly disguised troll or ignorant of reality.
Still ecoterrorism sounds fun, just destroy the major sources of a nations wealth, commerce and power and watch it fall. You don;t have to endanger any lives either, well, directly.
by The State of Arizona » Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:34 am
by Illithar » Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:35 am
Puff-Puff-Pass Land wrote:Karsol wrote:The State of Arizona wrote:Andaluciae wrote:Kamsaki wrote:Kyoto. Copenhagen. America, notoriously, doesn't care about the environment. And yet today we have the government acting all high and mighty on the need for environmental safeguards, new low-carbon fuel use and the accountability of British Petroleum for the damage inflicted by their operations. Suddenly, they seem to have awoken to the need for tight regulation on the acquisition of oil.
What's different? Why, it's because it's affecting the Gulf of Mexico. Screw the hundreds of thousands losing their lives across the world because of the impact of global warming; Eleven Americans die in an oil rig failure and their fishermen lose their income and the accountability of big oil is now of the utmost importance.
I put it to the members of NSG that America has just demonstrated why Terrorism is a warranted strategy to use against them in international diplomacy; because it doesn't care unless whatever your problems are are made to affect them directly.
Actually, the US tried at Copenhagen--it was the developing world that scuttled anything meaningful from happening. Especially China, India, South Africa and Brazil.
Don't bother. From the wording of his opening post he's clearly chose to ignore all facts that differ from his opinion.
OP is either a poorly disguised troll or ignorant of reality.
Still ecoterrorism sounds fun, just destroy the major sources of a nations wealth, commerce and power and watch it fall. You don;t have to endanger any lives either, well, directly.
Hooray for cyberterrorism!
by Suckeryou » Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:35 am
+1.Andaluciae wrote:Kamsaki wrote:Kyoto. Copenhagen. America, notoriously, doesn't care about the environment. And yet today we have the government acting all high and mighty on the need for environmental safeguards, new low-carbon fuel use and the accountability of British Petroleum for the damage inflicted by their operations. Suddenly, they seem to have awoken to the need for tight regulation on the acquisition of oil.
What's different? Why, it's because it's affecting the Gulf of Mexico. Screw the hundreds of thousands losing their lives across the world because of the impact of global warming; Eleven Americans die in an oil rig failure and their fishermen lose their income and the accountability of big oil is now of the utmost importance.
I put it to the members of NSG that America has just demonstrated why Terrorism is a warranted strategy to use against them in international diplomacy; because it doesn't care unless whatever your problems are are made to affect them directly.
Actually, the US tried at Copenhagen--it was the developing world that scuttled anything meaningful from happening. Especially China, India, South Africa and Brazil.
by Brewdomia » Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:35 am
Karsol wrote:The State of Arizona wrote:Andaluciae wrote:Kamsaki wrote:Kyoto. Copenhagen. America, notoriously, doesn't care about the environment. And yet today we have the government acting all high and mighty on the need for environmental safeguards, new low-carbon fuel use and the accountability of British Petroleum for the damage inflicted by their operations. Suddenly, they seem to have awoken to the need for tight regulation on the acquisition of oil.
What's different? Why, it's because it's affecting the Gulf of Mexico. Screw the hundreds of thousands losing their lives across the world because of the impact of global warming; Eleven Americans die in an oil rig failure and their fishermen lose their income and the accountability of big oil is now of the utmost importance.
I put it to the members of NSG that America has just demonstrated why Terrorism is a warranted strategy to use against them in international diplomacy; because it doesn't care unless whatever your problems are are made to affect them directly.
Actually, the US tried at Copenhagen--it was the developing world that scuttled anything meaningful from happening. Especially China, India, South Africa and Brazil.
Don't bother. From the wording of his opening post he's clearly chose to ignore all facts that differ from his opinion.
OP is either a poorly disguised troll or ignorant of reality.
Still ecoterrorism sounds fun, just destroy the major sources of a nations wealth, commerce and power and watch it fall. You don;t have to endanger any lives either, well, directly.
by Horsefish » Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:35 am
Areopagitican wrote:I'm not an expert in the field of moron, but what I think he's saying is that if you have to have sex with Shakira (or another dirty ethnic), at the very least, it must be part of a threesome with a white woman. It's a sacrifice, but someone has to make it.
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by Illithar » Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:37 am
The State of Arizona wrote:Yes, but OP didn't cite ecoterrorism or helping the earth. Just conventional terrorism because he has a beef with the US's enviromental policies. It's not countries like China or Brazil's fault, its always BIG BAD AMERICA!
by Andaluciae » Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:37 am
Karsol wrote:The State of Arizona wrote:Andaluciae wrote:Kamsaki wrote:Kyoto. Copenhagen. America, notoriously, doesn't care about the environment. And yet today we have the government acting all high and mighty on the need for environmental safeguards, new low-carbon fuel use and the accountability of British Petroleum for the damage inflicted by their operations. Suddenly, they seem to have awoken to the need for tight regulation on the acquisition of oil.
What's different? Why, it's because it's affecting the Gulf of Mexico. Screw the hundreds of thousands losing their lives across the world because of the impact of global warming; Eleven Americans die in an oil rig failure and their fishermen lose their income and the accountability of big oil is now of the utmost importance.
I put it to the members of NSG that America has just demonstrated why Terrorism is a warranted strategy to use against them in international diplomacy; because it doesn't care unless whatever your problems are are made to affect them directly.
Actually, the US tried at Copenhagen--it was the developing world that scuttled anything meaningful from happening. Especially China, India, South Africa and Brazil.
Don't bother. From the wording of his opening post he's clearly chose to ignore all facts that differ from his opinion.
OP is either a poorly disguised troll or ignorant of reality.
Still ecoterrorism sounds fun, just destroy the major sources of a nations wealth, commerce and power and watch it fall. You don;t have to endanger any lives either, well, directly.
FreeAgency wrote:Shellfish eating used to be restricted to dens of sin such as Red Lobster and Long John Silvers, but now days I cannot even take my children to a public restaurant anymore (even the supposedly "family friendly ones") without risking their having to watch some deranged individual flaunting his sin...
by Gift-of-god » Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:42 am
Chazicaria wrote:That post made me very angry.
You think that just because a few fish die and the environment get hurt, that terrorism that has killed thousands of fucking people is justified? WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU! BP (a British, not American company) screwed up and that does not warrant murder, no matter how you see it.
by The State of Arizona » Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:43 am
Illithar wrote:The State of Arizona wrote:Yes, but OP didn't cite ecoterrorism or helping the earth. Just conventional terrorism because he has a beef with the US's enviromental policies. It's not countries like China or Brazil's fault, its always BIG BAD AMERICA!
What, you didn't know America was behind all the world's evils?
by Ifreann » Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:44 am
Andaluciae wrote:Karsol wrote:The State of Arizona wrote:Andaluciae wrote:Kamsaki wrote:Kyoto. Copenhagen. America, notoriously, doesn't care about the environment. And yet today we have the government acting all high and mighty on the need for environmental safeguards, new low-carbon fuel use and the accountability of British Petroleum for the damage inflicted by their operations. Suddenly, they seem to have awoken to the need for tight regulation on the acquisition of oil.
What's different? Why, it's because it's affecting the Gulf of Mexico. Screw the hundreds of thousands losing their lives across the world because of the impact of global warming; Eleven Americans die in an oil rig failure and their fishermen lose their income and the accountability of big oil is now of the utmost importance.
I put it to the members of NSG that America has just demonstrated why Terrorism is a warranted strategy to use against them in international diplomacy; because it doesn't care unless whatever your problems are are made to affect them directly.
Actually, the US tried at Copenhagen--it was the developing world that scuttled anything meaningful from happening. Especially China, India, South Africa and Brazil.
Don't bother. From the wording of his opening post he's clearly chose to ignore all facts that differ from his opinion.
OP is either a poorly disguised troll or ignorant of reality.
Still ecoterrorism sounds fun, just destroy the major sources of a nations wealth, commerce and power and watch it fall. You don;t have to endanger any lives either, well, directly.
And how do you propose to do that?
by Karsol » Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:44 am
Illithar wrote:Puff-Puff-Pass Land wrote:Karsol wrote:The State of Arizona wrote:Andaluciae wrote:Kamsaki wrote:Kyoto. Copenhagen. America, notoriously, doesn't care about the environment. And yet today we have the government acting all high and mighty on the need for environmental safeguards, new low-carbon fuel use and the accountability of British Petroleum for the damage inflicted by their operations. Suddenly, they seem to have awoken to the need for tight regulation on the acquisition of oil.
What's different? Why, it's because it's affecting the Gulf of Mexico. Screw the hundreds of thousands losing their lives across the world because of the impact of global warming; Eleven Americans die in an oil rig failure and their fishermen lose their income and the accountability of big oil is now of the utmost importance.
I put it to the members of NSG that America has just demonstrated why Terrorism is a warranted strategy to use against them in international diplomacy; because it doesn't care unless whatever your problems are are made to affect them directly.
Actually, the US tried at Copenhagen--it was the developing world that scuttled anything meaningful from happening. Especially China, India, South Africa and Brazil.
Don't bother. From the wording of his opening post he's clearly chose to ignore all facts that differ from his opinion.
OP is either a poorly disguised troll or ignorant of reality.
Still ecoterrorism sounds fun, just destroy the major sources of a nations wealth, commerce and power and watch it fall. You don;t have to endanger any lives either, well, directly.
Hooray for cyberterrorism!
It's all still terrorism. Ultimately, people are going to die anyway.
by Andaluciae » Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:45 am
Gift-of-god wrote:Chazicaria wrote:That post made me very angry.
I think that was Kamsaki's point. USians don't get angered about a specific issue unless it is seen as attacking them. In this regard, USians are not too different from other human beings.You think that just because a few fish die and the environment get hurt, that terrorism that has killed thousands of fucking people is justified? WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU! BP (a British, not American company) screwed up and that does not warrant murder, no matter how you see it.
I doubt that Kamsaki was arguing that the WTC attacks or other such horrific attacks are somehow justified because of the US's disregard for the environment. More likely, Kamsaki was pointing out that the average US citizen was unaware of US foreign policy and how that could result in blowback before 9/11. Apparently, it took 9/11 before Usonians began seriously debating the intelligence of running US foreign policy as a realpolitik game.
And it has apparently taken an environmental disaster that directly affects the economy of portions of the USA before serious discussion on fossil fuel use can be had.
FreeAgency wrote:Shellfish eating used to be restricted to dens of sin such as Red Lobster and Long John Silvers, but now days I cannot even take my children to a public restaurant anymore (even the supposedly "family friendly ones") without risking their having to watch some deranged individual flaunting his sin...
by Buffett and Colbert » Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:46 am
Andaluciae wrote:Kamsaki wrote:Kyoto. Copenhagen. America, notoriously, doesn't care about the environment. And yet today we have the government acting all high and mighty on the need for environmental safeguards, new low-carbon fuel use and the accountability of British Petroleum for the damage inflicted by their operations. Suddenly, they seem to have awoken to the need for tight regulation on the acquisition of oil.
What's different? Why, it's because it's affecting the Gulf of Mexico. Screw the hundreds of thousands losing their lives across the world because of the impact of global warming; Eleven Americans die in an oil rig failure and their fishermen lose their income and the accountability of big oil is now of the utmost importance.
I put it to the members of NSG that America has just demonstrated why Terrorism is a warranted strategy to use against them in international diplomacy; because it doesn't care unless whatever your problems are are made to affect them directly.
Actually, the US tried at Copenhagen--it was the developing world that scuttled anything meaningful from happening. Especially China, India, South Africa and Brazil.
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by Illithar » Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:47 am
The State of Arizona wrote:Illithar wrote:The State of Arizona wrote:Yes, but OP didn't cite ecoterrorism or helping the earth. Just conventional terrorism because he has a beef with the US's enviromental policies. It's not countries like China or Brazil's fault, its always BIG BAD AMERICA!
What, you didn't know America was behind all the world's evils?
I am slowly learning about it on NSG.
The World's Enviroment? Only America's fault.
The Holocaust? America's fault.
The Mongol Invasions of China, the Middle East, and Russia? Definitely America's fault.
by Ifreann » Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:48 am
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