What If Germany Won World War 2?

[Free Kanadian Refugees]

OP assumes USA was the only one holding the Allies together.

OP forgets about Italy.

OP forgets about the Eastern Front.

Thread=Massive Fail

[Western cuba]

The person that created this movie has to think of a lot of things. The Eastern Front happened to you know besides Normandy. At this time the USSR was kicking nazi ass. Unless they all got drunk on vodka and didn't know what happened and the nazi's told them that the USA was the enemy which I would doubt could even be considered. So overall it was a certain allied victory right when Nazi Germany invaded the USSR. If they didn't they could of won. As of WW1 the central powers could of lasted longer.

[Illithar]

The person that created this movie has to think of a lot of things. The Eastern Front happened to you know besides Normandy. At this time the USSR was kicking nazi ass. Unless they all got drunk on vodka and didn't know what happened and the nazi's told them that the USA was the enemy which I would doubt could even be considered. So overall it was a certain allied victory right when Nazi Germany invaded the USSR. If they didn't they could of won. As of WW1 the central powers could of lasted longer.

The idea that Nazi Germany was doomed the minute it invaded the Soviet Union is as common as it is false. The Nazis could have won at Stalingrad and they could have taken Moscow. Remember, they were literaly twenty miles from Moscow and they controlled over 90% of Stalingrad. Had the Nazis taken Moscow, the Communist Party of Russia would have fallen apart, especially if Stalin had been captured.
Morale would have been so low the Red Army would have faced massive desertion. Military and Party leaders would have begun making peace with the Nazis even if Stalin had escaped either to save their own lives or to ingratiate themselves to the victorious Germans. The Wermacht would still face massive partisan fighting and continual rebellion but it would have probably been over. Stalin would have had to fight a guerilla war and would probably have lost eventually, though not until he finally died.

[Western cuba]

I'm still thinking if the government fell apart they still have the Soviet Partistans and plenty of other problems. The Russian Winter and many more things. Sure maybe a couple of years they might of held the USSR but they would most likely soon have to retreat. If Stalin was still alive even when the nation was possibly fighting he would of made some underground movement. Much like the Warsaw Uprising but instead a Moscow Uprising and would most likely work.

[Illithar]

I'm still thinking if the government fell apart they still have the Soviet Partistans and plenty of other problems. The Russian Winter and many more things. Sure maybe a couple of years they might of held the USSR but they would most likely soon have to retreat. If Stalin was still alive even when the nation was possibly fighting he would of made some underground movement. Much like the Warsaw Uprising but instead a Moscow Uprising and would most likely work.

The whole thing would center around killing, capturing or otherwise neutralizing Stalin. Other than Marshal Zukhov, there was no one in the Soviet Union at that time that could have pulled the country together. Even with the winter, the partisans and other underground movements the Germans could still have won if they had captured Moscow and the other major cities. They wouldn't have held the countryside, but we know the Germans would not have hesitated to literally kill off every single Russian if that was what it took.

The simple fact is that even if Stalin escaped the fall of Moscow, the other Party Leaders would have made their own peace with the Nazis and the Russian numbers would have counted for nothing given the desertion rates they would have faced.

[Brandenburg-Altmark]

I'm still thinking if the government fell apart they still have the Soviet Partistans and plenty of other problems. The Russian Winter and many more things. Sure maybe a couple of years they might of held the USSR but they would most likely soon have to retreat. If Stalin was still alive even when the nation was possibly fighting he would of made some underground movement. Much like the Warsaw Uprising but instead a Moscow Uprising and would most likely work.

The whole thing would center around killing, capturing or otherwise neutralizing Stalin. Other than Marshal Zukhov, there was no one in the Soviet Union at that time that could have pulled the country together. Even with the winter, the partisans and other underground movements the Germans could still have won if they had captured Moscow and the other major cities. They wouldn't have held the countryside, but we know the Germans would not have hesitated to literally kill off every single Russian if that was what it took.

The simple fact is that even if Stalin escaped the fall of Moscow, the other Party Leaders would have made their own peace with the Nazis and the Russian numbers would have counted for nothing given the desertion rates they would have faced.

I agree with this opinion of the Eastern front. Every hope for victory for both sides rested at Stalingrad, and later at Kursk. If Germany had won Stalingrad, or at least regrouped properly and broke the Russian counter-offensive at Kursk, they could have had a shot at taking Moscow. Rarely as it happens, Stalingrad was the Manzikert, Gaugamela or Cannae, pick any one, of the Second World War.

[New Manvir]

Hitler wouldn't be smart enough to create an alliance with America. He broke his first alliance with Russia, which was one of the worst strategic mistakes in history.

Yet if it had succeeded - and it very nearly did - it would have made Germany the dominant political power in Europe.

He would probably have invaded Britain, but left America to invade in the 50's or 60's.

Hitler had no plans to invade the USA. He actually considered the US rather insignificant in the grand scheme of things. This is the reason why he was so quick to declare war on the USA after Japan attacked Pearl Harbour. And really, considering Germany was incapable of launching an invasion of Britain, how would it ever be able to invade the US?

Not entirely true.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zweites_Buch#Composition

After the Nazi Party's poor showing in the 1928 elections, Hitler decided that the public did not fully understand his ideas. He retired to Munich and began dictating a sequel to Mein Kampf. It focused on foreign policy, expanding on the ideas of Mein Kampf and suggesting that around 1980, a final struggle would take place between the United States and the combined forces of Greater Germany and the British Empire.

Also, there's a quote from the book 'The War' by Ken Burns from US medic Ray Leopold during the 'Battle of the Bulge'.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... T7A6v9lVNA

Hitler saw it that way as well. Ray Leopold, a sniper turned medic from Waterbury, tells of capturing a young German who had detailed knowledge of Connecticut's topography. When asked how he knew so much, the soldier answered that he had been trained ``for the administration of the territories.'' Says Leopold: ``My blood ran cold.''

[Effimination]

If Germany won World War 2, my family would be dead.

[South Soul]

WE all would be slaves

[Osthia]

If Hitler won the war, which would be highly unlikely after they attacked Russia, then we would be living in a very different world by now.

[Effimination]

WE all would be slaves

Except for those of us who are Jewish (me and my family). We would be deader than George W. Bush' political career. Sorry, bad analogy.

[Osthia]

No thats a very accurate analogy. I would know...still hate his Texas accent...and his policies

[Effimination]

Who doesn't hate George W. Bush?

[President Obama]

If Germany won, there won't be any Jews or Israel for that matter.

[Osthia]

Dick Cheney...God I hate him too! And Sarah Palin. They make up the Holy Trinity of Morons.

[TerraPublica]

Well the Jews wouldn't be alive right now and the USA would not be a superpower so would the USSR. By the way in this movie did Fascist Italy survive or no?

Probably not. Even a Nazi victory couldn't prevent Mussolini from sucking.

[South Norwega]

OP assumes USA was the only one holding the Allies together.

OP forgets about Italy.

OP forgets about the Eastern Front.

Thread=Massive Fail

I was just about to post a much more long winded version of this.

Seriously, the Nazis doomed themselves in 1942.

[TerraPublica]

OP assumes USA was the only one holding the Allies together.

OP forgets about Italy.

OP forgets about the Eastern Front.

Thread=Massive Fail

I was just about to post a much more long winded version of this.

Seriously, the Nazis doomed themselves in 1942.

Plus, the Russians basically decided the outcome of the war anyway.

[Great Nepal]

WE all would be slaves

Serious? I can bet that we all wont be slaves, and some of us would perhaps have a better life but some of would be extinct. I would perhaps have more safety - so perhaps somewhat better life, but overall it would be same, unless of course I fooled them that I was Aryan German (But first I would have to learn to read & write German, which I hope wont be hard as I already can speak it), then perhaps I will have much better life.

[Kenneth Baker]

Well the Jews wouldn't be alive right now and the USA would not be a superpower so would the USSR. By the way in this movie did Fascist Italy survive or no?

Don't know why you think the USSR wouldn't be a Superpower?

It would of been the only standing army against Nazi Germany; at one point the USSR had the largest standing army, surpassing that of the USA. The only reason they failed is because of economic problems, and literally all economy at the time would of been geared towards the *probably* non-stop battling against Germany. The arm race showed how much the USSR could build up their army, in the face of ACTUAL fighting it would of been tripled (maybe).

Honestly the USSR would of probably, eventually, swept over Germany as it "liberated" countries, and formed more satellite states like that of the Iron Curtain. And as someone said before, to win the war Germany would of had been able to create Nuclear Weapons first. Which, by the way, our Nuclear Weapon was made by scientists that had fled from Nazi Germany control. So they would of lost eventually from pressure from the United States, and the inevitable Nuclear Bombing, and constant battle with the USSR.

Probably would of just meant, in the end, the USSR would of controlled almost all of the Eastern Hemisphere; or been in a more prominent Cold War with the United States after the defeat of Germany and what to do with the territories.

[Baltenstein]

People who point out that invading Russia's was Hitler's biggest mistake seem to forget that it was also his biggest dream and main purpose in life. It was basically the reason he build up a war machine and started invading countries in the first place. So treating the Russian campaign as a "mistake", is kinda pointless.

[Osthia]

People who point out that invading Russia's was Hitler's biggest mistake seem to forget that it was also his biggest dream and main purpose in life. It was basically the reason he build up a war machine and started invading countries in the first place. So treating the Russian campaign as a "mistake", is kinda pointless.

OK, it was a mistaken dream. Better?

[Mikedor]

If Normandy had failed, we would have actually committed enough troops to Italy, and entered Germany from below

[Great Nepal]

If Normandy had failed, we would have actually committed enough troops to Italy, and entered Germany from below

Britain alone would never be able to do that, and US main threat is Japan not Germany... so US and Germany would rather sign agreement that US will withdraw it support to Britain and will never support it again and Germany withdraws it support to Japan. And USSR as I already said would be much larger as it would make peace in its own terms.

[Illithar]

If Normandy had failed, we would have actually committed enough troops to Italy, and entered Germany from below

Britain alone would never be able to do that, and US main threat is Japan not Germany... so US and Germany would rather sign agreement that US will withdraw it support to Britain and will never support it again and Germany withdraws it support to Japan. And USSR as I already said would be much larger as it would make peace in its own terms.

By Normandy, it was very unlikley that the Allies would have stopped for any reason. Japan was unable to launch any kind of attack agains the United States and it was important to both the US and the UK to capture as much of Germany as possible in order to prevent the Soviets from establishing satelites all the way to the Atlantic. The war with Germany was conducted with future conflict with Russia in mind.