What If Germany Won World War 2?

[Sdaeriji]

The only way Germany could have won the war was if the outcome of Stalingrad or Kursk was changed. Normandy was by no means a turning point.

Exactly. Normandy was just hitting the fast forward button on a movie we already knew the ending to.

[Great Nepal]

I recently watched a movie that had an alternate history of Germany winning World War 2.

The Allied invasion of Normandy was rebuffed. The United States never got a foothold in Fortress Europe and was unable to aide in the liberation of the countries occupied by Germany and instead concentrated their efforts against the Japanese Empire with a similar outcome as happened in real life. The movie takes place some twenty years later where the SS has evolved into a peace time police force and the death camps and Hitler's "Final Solution" were not known to the world. Hitler has mellowed with age and is attempting to put a friendlier face on the Nazi Empire.

The Nazi Empire is still fighting the Soviets in the East and now seeks an alliance with the United States against them.

My question is: Is this turn of events possible? What would Germany had to have done to actually win the War in Europe?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvR15G8yEhg First five minutes or so of the movie which is undoubtedly the most interesting part and the only reason I watched the movie.

Somewhat possible... It was quite possible for Germany to push allies back - all it had to do was to push allies to waters in first day. If Hitler agreed to send the reinforcement from Pas de Calais to Normandy. And if Allies would be pushed back that day, Japan threat on US would be huge, so US would seek for peace with Hitler, Hitler who would also be troubled with the Soviet Invasion and angered by Japan's refusal to attack Soviet union would agree. Thus ending the huge advantage on side of allies... on the terms that Germany would break alliance with Japan, and US would not support or aid allies by any way...
Of course, Germany wont be able withstand huge soviet army, but the huge army would have so huge impact on Soviet union, that they would seek peace in there own terms, perhaps it would look like:-

http://yfrog.com/6zsovitunionj

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And again, Britain would be alone on Europe, Asian nations supporting Britain would withdraw there support, as the war would have drag a long way. With the pressure to save its empire, lack of support from US; Britain would eventually lose against Germany. But the sate of cold war would start - this time between USSR and Nazi Germany which would be limited to Europe and Middle East.

[Wolffbaden]

What if the Germans landed on the moon?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xn4DW1uvsAE

^ I'm with this guy.

But there's more...

Iron Sky - "Only One Day Is Left" - SPACE NAZIS ATTACK!

http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=DeAfoiN ... re=channel

[North Suran]

We'd all be wearing chastity belts and travelling in zeppelins.

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[Wolffbaden]

We'd all be wearing chastity belts and travelling in zeppelins.

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[Divair]

Even if we lost D-Day, we'd have won the war.



If not, us Scots would have fought with hit-and-run tactics and used the highlands as our bases. To the last!

[North Suran]

Even if we lost D-Day, we'd have won the war.

Nah. If we lost D-Day, the Soviets would have won the war.

The film doesn't seem to address why Germany et al was able to trounce the USSR, when in reality, the entire Eastern Front had collapsed by the time the Allies had gotten around to storming Normandy.

[EvilDarkMagicians]

Even if we lost D-Day, we'd have won the war.

Nah. If we lost D-Day, the Soviets would have won the war.

It would still be taught in British schools that Britain won the war.

[North Suran]

Even if we lost D-Day, we'd have won the war.

Nah. If we lost D-Day, the Soviets would have won the war.

It would still be taught in British schools that Britain won the war.

Damn straight.

Those damn Huns couldn't break our plucky British spirit, what.

[Ireland Army]

the jew camps used soldiers to guard them, soldiers that could have been used in the war.

How many men do you think they used?

considering he had 100's of death camps Im going to say that those troops could have been all used in the battlefield rather than used to guard the jew prisoners who shouldnt have even been there. many brave germans were killed becasue Hitler had a crazed obsession to kill jews. He killed 1.7million german jews, He could have used those 1.7million germans to help.

[Ireland Army]

Even if we lost D-Day, we'd have won the war.

Nah. If we lost D-Day, the Soviets would have won the war.

It would still be taught in British schools that Britain won the war.

Britain wouldnt have won if the US wouldnt have helped. Churchill himself knew it thats why he ws glad when he found out the attack on pearl harbor because he knew the US would then enter the war and the allies would win. Britain wouldnt have been able to win D-day wiht out the US's support with troops and naval ships. Also keep in mind US paratroopers were sent behind enemy lines a day before D-day to take out german attillery. Also last time I checked the when Britain did a large scale airborne attack whihc was Operation Market Garden they failed horribly.

[Risottia]

I recently watched a movie that had an alternate history of Germany winning World War 2.
The Allied invasion of Normandy was rebuffed. ...
The Nazi Empire is still fighting the Soviets in the East

This just means that the Soviets arrive in Berlin in November 1946 and in Paris in January 1947.
Unless the Brits and the US speed up their attack against the Gothic Line (you know, the Allies got a foothold on mailand Europe in 1943. It's called the Italian front!), breach it and rush towards the Brennerpass (leading to Munich) and the Semmering (leading to Vienna).

What would Germany had to have done to actually win the War in Europe?

Avoid attacking Norway and France. And most of all, avoid attacking the Soviet Union.

[Ireland Army]

Also Russia wouldnt have done shit they were getting whipped all the way back to thier capitol by germany the only reason germany retreated just like in the the French with Napolean was because of Russias harsh winter. The freezing weather caused the diesal in the tanks and planes to freeze since the weather was 40 below and diesal freezes at 15 degrees. So germany had no tank support or any air support and they also couldnt get supplies to the troops so the germans froze and starved.

[North Suran]

What would Germany had to have done to actually win the War in Europe?

Avoid attacking Norway and France. And most of all, avoid attacking the Soviet Union.

Or really, they should have attacked the USSR before they ever became embroiled in a war in Western Europe.

[Shabarik]

Hitler wouldn't be smart enough to create an alliance with America. He broke his first alliance with Russia, which was one of the worst strategic mistakes in history. He would probably have invaded Britain, but left America to invade in the 50's or 60's. Without America in the fight, Russia couldn't hold out because that's where they got a lot of their supplies from in the beginning of the war.

In any case, I really want to watch this movie

[EvilDarkMagicians]

Even if we lost D-Day, we'd have won the war.

Nah. If we lost D-Day, the Soviets would have won the war.

It would still be taught in British schools that Britain won the war.

Britain wouldnt have won if the US wouldnt have helped. Churchill himself knew it thats why he ws glad when he found out the attack on pearl harbor because he knew the US would then enter the war and the allies would win. Britain wouldnt have been able to win D-day wiht out the US's support with troops and naval ships. Also keep in mind US paratroopers were sent behind enemy lines a day before D-day to take out german attillery. Also last time I checked the when Britain did a large scale airborne attack whihc was Operation Market Garden they failed horribly.

Um. I wasn't making points against that.

[North Suran]

Also Russia wouldnt have done shit they were getting whipped all the way back to thier capitol by germany the only reason germany retreated just like in the the French with Napolean was because of Russias harsh winter.

Actually, this is an urban myth - on both counts.

'General Winter' only became a major hinderance for Napoleon when the Grand Army was in retreat. A majority of casualties came from conventional warfare. Ditto for the Germans, who lost so much men during Operation Barborossa that they had to rely on their Eastern European allies, which is why they failed to decisively crush the USSR. By 1945, the Russians were advancing on Berlin. D-Day or not, things were not rosy for the Reich.

[Ermarian]

I don't think America would have abandoned England if Normandy failed. The ground war would have stalemated, but the Allies ruled the skies so they would have just kept bombing the shite out of them. Then after the construction of the A-bomb, Berlin would have been its first target.

One thing that makes no sense in the movie is since America had developed the A-bomb in this alternate history, how come neither Nazi Germany nor the Soviet Union were able to get it and use it the blast one another to oblivion? I'm sure German and Soviet spies and or diplomats would have worked their damnedest to obtain the Bomb.

A weapon of mass destruction is useless without means of delivery. The nuclear weapons developed during the second world war weren't ICBMs; they were dropped out of bombers. Unlike Japan in the final days of the war, the USSR controlled its own airspace; Germany couldn't have gotten close.

[North Suran]

Hitler wouldn't be smart enough to create an alliance with America. He broke his first alliance with Russia, which was one of the worst strategic mistakes in history.

Yet if it had succeeded - and it very nearly did - it would have made Germany the dominant political power in Europe.

He would probably have invaded Britain, but left America to invade in the 50's or 60's.

Hitler had no plans to invade the USA. He actually considered the US rather insignificant in the grand scheme of things. This is the reason why he was so quick to declare war on the USA after Japan attacked Pearl Harbour. And really, considering Germany was incapable of launching an invasion of Britain, how would it ever be able to invade the US?

[Yootopia]

The freezing weather caused the diesal in the tanks and planes to freeze since the weather was 40 below and diesal freezes at 15 degrees. So germany had no tank support or any air support and they also couldnt get supplies to the troops so the germans froze and starved.

This was far less of a faff for the Germans than the Eastern mud. Once they put antifreeze into their petrol, it was fine. The only way they beat the mud was to travel slowly and use very wide wheels or tracks, which made them harder to maintain.

[Illithar]

I don't think America would have abandoned England if Normandy failed. The ground war would have stalemated, but the Allies ruled the skies so they would have just kept bombing the shite out of them. Then after the construction of the A-bomb, Berlin would have been its first target.

One thing that makes no sense in the movie is since America had developed the A-bomb in this alternate history, how come neither Nazi Germany nor the Soviet Union were able to get it and use it the blast one another to oblivion? I'm sure German and Soviet spies and or diplomats would have worked their damnedest to obtain the Bomb.

A weapon of mass destruction is useless without means of delivery. The nuclear weapons developed during the second world war weren't ICBMs; they were dropped out of bombers. Unlike Japan in the final days of the war, the USSR controlled its own airspace; Germany couldn't have gotten close.

The only way the Germans could have effectivly used an atomic bomb against the Russians would have been to literally cart it up someplace they knew would fall to a massive Russian army, probably by train, and then detonate the bomb in a city or other area already overrun by the Russians. This would not have ended the war, but simply made the Russians more careful and probably more brutal when they finally won.

[Ethalor]

If Hitler hadn't attacked the Soviet Union in June 1941 he would have won. Germany couldn't take a two front war. If he had destroy Britain and then invaded Turkey, took Northern Iraq, then took Persia (Now Iran). Persia is an even bigger oil producer, so don't argue about oil. Germany then could have launched attackes from the west and south of the USSR.

[Ireland Army]

Hitler wouldn't be smart enough to create an alliance with America. He broke his first alliance with Russia, which was one of the worst strategic mistakes in history.

Yet if it had succeeded - and it very nearly did - it would have made Germany the dominant political power in Europe.

He would probably have invaded Britain, but left America to invade in the 50's or 60's.

Hitler had no plans to invade the USA. He actually considered the US rather insignificant in the grand scheme of things. This is the reason why he was so quick to declare war on the USA after Japan attacked Pearl Harbour. And really, considering Germany was incapable of launching an invasion of Britain, how would it ever be able to invade the US?

No thats a lie hitler did want to invade the US infact he tried making V rockets that would reach the US and he also had plans that once he took europe and russia he was going to take the US he didnt like the US because of its interacial mix. I dont know where you get your information but where ever your getting it from I wouldnt get it from there anymore.

[Ireland Army]

The freezing weather caused the diesal in the tanks and planes to freeze since the weather was 40 below and diesal freezes at 15 degrees. So germany had no tank support or any air support and they also couldnt get supplies to the troops so the germans froze and starved.

This was far less of a faff for the Germans than the Eastern mud. Once they put antifreeze into their petrol, it was fine. The only way they beat the mud was to travel slowly and use very wide wheels or tracks, which made them harder to maintain.

They didnt put Anti freeze in thier tanks their tanks and thier planes and the german troopsdidnt havee proper clothing for winter warfare due to hitlers confidence he would be able to take russia before the winter. So the germans froze and starved to death.

[North Suran]

Hitler wouldn't be smart enough to create an alliance with America. He broke his first alliance with Russia, which was one of the worst strategic mistakes in history.

Yet if it had succeeded - and it very nearly did - it would have made Germany the dominant political power in Europe.

He would probably have invaded Britain, but left America to invade in the 50's or 60's.

Hitler had no plans to invade the USA. He actually considered the US rather insignificant in the grand scheme of things. This is the reason why he was so quick to declare war on the USA after Japan attacked Pearl Harbour. And really, considering Germany was incapable of launching an invasion of Britain, how would it ever be able to invade the US?

No thats a lie hitler did want to invade the US

And you base this on what?

infact he tried making V rockets that would reach the US

Rockets are not an invasion force.

he also had plans that once he took europe in russia he was going to take the US

Only after the USA became involved in the war.

he didnt like the US because of its interacial mix.

Not even Hitler would have invaded a world power across the Ocean because it had an interracial mix.