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Postby Renzenia » Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:01 pm

To win the war Germany would've had to concentrate their froces on Britain and invade instead of attacking the Soviet Union. If Goering and Hitler would have kept the Luftwaffe bombing airfields instead of citys, the Germans could have easily won the Battle of Britain.
Once the Luftwaffe started to bomb the citys, the RAF was able to rebuild after nearling being defeated and fight off the German planes attacking the citys. With the Luftwaffe being able to concentrate on Britain with heavy numbers instead of being spread out along the Soviet Border they would have defeated the RAF,then they could have easily invaded and with Britain under occupation by Germany, the US would not be able to use it as a staging ground for startegic bombing campaigns and for the Invasion of Nazi occupied Europe. Germany should have stayed out of the Soviet Union.
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Postby Mighty Brittania » Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:02 pm

Carls-land wrote:
Mighty Brittania wrote:
Carls-land wrote:exept that all of europe would be state capitalist.

I am in favour of State Capitalism.

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why are you in favour of State Capitalism?


State Capitalism and the Soviet union were one and the same. I like state capitalism because the workers think that they control the means of production when they actually don't. I like the soviet union because they were roundhouse kickers of bollocks.

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Postby Carls-land » Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:03 pm

Murgoth wrote:here are my thoughts:
if, by some miracle, hitler was able to repel the allies at normandy, that wouldn't stop the allies. america would possibly take troops from teh european theater and put them into the destructin of japan, but would still have troops in europe. assuming that germany did, god knows how, win the war, they would be completely unapposed. the japanese and american armies would both be depleted, russia would by that point almost collapsed from sheer mass of casualties, and any remaining allied armies would be depleted from trying to liberate europe. of course, the german military would be depleted as well, but if they won we can assume that all invasions of fortress europe failed. and so they would still have a semi-decent force. they would sweep through russia and force britain into submission. so we can say that if germany won the war, it would end at a similair time, with the entirety of the european continent under german control (they would probably betray italy, which would have weathered countless invasions).
the germans would retake nothern africa and the middle east. all the jews in europe would die.
so the world would end up in a stand off between america and nazi germany. unfortunately for america, the sheer amount of reasources and manpower germany would have would make germany more likely to win. america might well have a soviet union stye collapse from trying to fight off facist influence. by today, most of the world would probably be under german or facist rule. germany would slowly mellow out and become more liberal, but not horribly much.
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he would most likely not annex britain, but have a peace treaty with them. same with the US. they would likely get into war with the japanese about western and central asian oil.
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Postby Carls-land » Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:05 pm

Mighty Brittania wrote:
Carls-land wrote:
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Carls-land wrote:exept that all of europe would be state capitalist.

I am in favour of State Capitalism.

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why are you in favour of State Capitalism?


State Capitalism and the Soviet union were one and the same. I like state capitalism because the workers think that they control the means of production when they actually don't. I like the soviet union because they were roundhouse kickers of bollocks.

:palm: State Capitalism is one of worst economic systems, ever. we would live in proverty.

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Postby Mighty Brittania » Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:07 pm

What makes you think I don't already live in poverty?

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Postby Carls-land » Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:09 pm

Mighty Brittania wrote:What makes you think I don't already live in poverty?

why dont you want out of poverty?

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Postby Illithar » Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:09 pm

Carls-land wrote:
Illithar wrote:Even with a failed D-Day, the Nazis still probably wouldn't have won the war. The Soviet Union so vastly outnumbered the Germans that it would only have been a matter of time until Germany ran out of manpower while the Russians continue to drown Germany in a sea of blood.

Also, to whoever said that Hitler would have been assissinated, you do realize that:

A) Several of those plots were false

B) Himmler probably would have become Furher

A) no they were not

B) it was only really hitler who liked him. the rest of the high command hated him.


A) Several, not most

B) Himmler controlled the SS. No one else had the power Himmler had in the Third Reich
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Postby Mighty Brittania » Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:11 pm

Carls-land wrote:
Mighty Brittania wrote:What makes you think I don't already live in poverty?

why dont you want out of poverty?

What makes you think I don't want out of poverty and that I am in poverty to want to out to begin with?

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Postby Carls-land » Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:11 pm

Illithar wrote:
Carls-land wrote:
Illithar wrote:Even with a failed D-Day, the Nazis still probably wouldn't have won the war. The Soviet Union so vastly outnumbered the Germans that it would only have been a matter of time until Germany ran out of manpower while the Russians continue to drown Germany in a sea of blood.

Also, to whoever said that Hitler would have been assissinated, you do realize that:

A) Several of those plots were false

B) Himmler probably would have become Furher

A) no they were not

B) it was only really hitler who liked him. the rest of the high command hated him.


A) Several, not most

B) Himmler controlled the SS. No one else had the power Himmler had in the Third Reich

A) source?

B) Hermann Göring and Karl Dönitz were more powerfull

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Postby Solyhniya » Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:13 pm

Ziway wrote:They would have had to have the nuclear bomb first... and if they did win Palestine would be a flourishing nation in the middle of a very peaceful Middle East.


Blaming the Jews for the fact that the Middle East is fucked up? That's rich...
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Postby Mighty Brittania » Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:14 pm

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Ziway wrote:They would have had to have the nuclear bomb first... and if they did win Palestine would be a flourishing nation in the middle of a very peaceful Middle East.


Blaming the Jews for the fact that the Middle East is fucked up? That's rich...


And utterly true.

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Postby Hornopolis » Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:18 pm

We'd all be speaking German...
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Postby Solyhniya » Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:19 pm

Mighty Brittania wrote:
Solyhniya wrote:
Ziway wrote:They would have had to have the nuclear bomb first... and if they did win Palestine would be a flourishing nation in the middle of a very peaceful Middle East.


Blaming the Jews for the fact that the Middle East is fucked up? That's rich...


And utterly true.


The Saudis would still be ruling one of the most disgusting empires on the planet. Then again, if by peaceful, you simply mean "not at war", then I suppose you might be right. Still, the majority of the problems in the Middle East have little to nothing to do with a few million Jews living on a crappy strip of land which for some reason, superstitions dictate to be "holy" and therefore worth dying for.
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Postby Nazistisches Reich » Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:21 pm

If hitler wouldnt have had a problem with jews and would have just united all of germany he could have used is skill in manipulation to unite europe but when he wanted to kill jews he made all of the jew population in europe hate him which didnt help besides the jew camps used soldiers to guard them, soldiers that could have been used in the war. Also if germany wouldnt have attacked russia right away and instead would have just forcused on europe it could have used the 1million troops that were setn to russia to help in the western front and destroy the allies. Also if germany would have won ww2 the world would have been better off considering there wouldnt be other countrys going to war with each other and africans wouldnt be running around shooting each other for foodthey would all be under the german control. Also there wouldnt be rap and asll of the other nonsense music and gangs and other thinkgs the african americans introduced in the 70's and 80's.
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:23 pm

What, so without America, the Nazis win? You are forgetting that the UK and the USSR were perfectly holding their own against the Third Reich. I doubt Britain could have ever have retaken Europe, but neither was Germany strong enough to conquer it. And, as has been suggested, the USSR would have eventually worn the Germans down and conquered them. But anyway, even if Hitler had conquered Britain, we (the UK) wouldn't be speaking German. The British (according to the madman who ran the Reich, at least) are among the 'Nordic Races' and thus, British culture and heritage was seen as worth preserving by the Nazis. The Germans didn't just like Germans. Italians, British and Scandinavians all 'benefited' from Nazi approval. Slavs, Jews, blacks etc. were considered inferior. Also, although I haven't watched the clip I presume Hitler would have maintained Fascist Italy, even after Mussolini's death, if only in honour of his 'hero'.
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Postby Mighty Brittania » Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:23 pm

Nazistisches Reich wrote:the jew camps used soldiers to guard them, soldiers that could have been used in the war.


How many men do you think they used?

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Postby Solyhniya » Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:23 pm

Nazistisches Reich wrote:If hitler wouldnt have had a problem with jews and would have just united all of germany he could have used is skill in manipulation to unite europe but when he wanted to kill jews he made all of the jew population in europe hate him


Basically, yeah: Germany lost huge amounts of industrial potential thanks to the fact its government murdered millions of its citizens, Jewish or otherwise.
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Postby Carls-land » Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:26 pm

Nazistisches Reich wrote:If hitler wouldnt have had a problem with jews and would have just united all of germany he could have used is skill in manipulation to unite europe but when he wanted to kill jews he made all of the jew population in europe hate him which didnt help besides the jew camps used soldiers to guard them, soldiers that could have been used in the war. Also if germany wouldnt have attacked russia right away and instead would have just forcused on europe it could have used the 1million troops that were setn to russia to help in the western front and destroy the allies. Also if germany would have won ww2 the world would have been better off considering there wouldnt be other countrys going to war with each other and africans wouldnt be running around shooting each other for foodthey would all be under the german control. Also there wouldnt be rap and asll of the other nonsense music and gangs and other thinkgs the african americans introduced in the 70's and 80's.

:rofl: your joking right? at least i hope you do.

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Postby Yootopia » Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:28 pm

New Bern99 wrote:What would Germany had to have done to actually win the War in Europe?

They'd have had to have magic'd away the USSR and UK.
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Postby Yootopia » Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:31 pm

Renzenia wrote:To win the war Germany would've had to concentrate their froces on Britain and invade instead of attacking the Soviet Union. If Goering and Hitler would have kept the Luftwaffe bombing airfields instead of citys, the Germans could have easily won the Battle of Britain.

OK at which point they still would have to successfully negotiate the North Sea in barges to get over to Blighty, seeing as the Channel was completely mined to fuck to prevent an easy invasion. This was unlikely.
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Postby Brandenburg-Altmark » Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:41 pm

The only way Germany could have won the war was if the outcome of Stalingrad or Kursk was changed. Normandy was by no means a turning point.
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Postby Wolffbaden » Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:42 pm

What if the Germans landed on the moon?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xn4DW1uvsAE

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Postby Carls-land » Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:46 pm

Wolffbaden wrote:What if the Germans landed on the moon?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xn4DW1uvsAE

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Postby Brandenburg-Altmark » Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:47 pm

Carls-land wrote:
Wolffbaden wrote:What if the Germans landed on the moon?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xn4DW1uvsAE

:rofl:

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Postby Fantasy Encounter » Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:47 pm

I don't think America would have abandoned England if Normandy failed. The ground war would have stalemated, but the Allies ruled the skies so they would have just kept bombing the shite out of them. Then after the construction of the A-bomb, Berlin would have been its first target.

One thing that makes no sense in the movie is since America had developed the A-bomb in this alternate history, how come neither Nazi Germany nor the Soviet Union were able to get it and use it the blast one another to oblivion? I'm sure German and Soviet spies and or diplomats would have worked their damnedest to obtain the Bomb.
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