What If Germany Won World War 2?

[South Norwega]

Despite humilating casualties, they Soviets did infact win.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War

Result Interim Peace

Derp dee derp.

You're failing to see why it was an interim peace.

Because of the continuation war, which was circumstantial. It was still a Soviet Victory, yes the peace didn't last, but the Soviets did win.

The Continuation War is a separate war entirely... we're talking about the Winter War, nothing else.

And then the phrase interim peace is stupid. It's then a Soviet Victory.

[Wolffbaden]

Despite humilating casualties, they Soviets did infact win.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War

Result Interim Peace

Derp dee derp.

You're failing to see why it was an interim peace.

Because of the continuation war, which was circumstantial. It was still a Soviet Victory, yes the peace didn't last, but the Soviets did win.

The Continuation War is a separate war entirely... we're talking about the Winter War, nothing else.

And then the phrase interim peace is stupid. It's then a Soviet Victory.

Bitch to Wikipedia about it being "stupid" then lol... it's correct, that's exactly what they'll tell you. And then they'll point to their source, and explain why it's correct.

[South Norwega]

Bitch to Wikipedia about it being "stupid" then lol... it's correct, that's exactly what they'll tell you. And then they'll point to their source, and explain why it's correct.

It's unsourced, actually. The thing is, it's an interim peace because of the continuation war. The Soviets won the Winter War, but drove Finland into the arms of the Axis.

[Wolffbaden]

It's unsourced, actually.

Click interim peace. Source is:

http://www.winterwar.com/War%27sEnd.htm

The thing is, it's an interim peace because of the continuation war.

Yeah, a completely different war.

The Soviets won the Winter War, but drove Finland into the arms of the Axis.

Then it would say for the Winter War "Decisive Soviet Victory" or "Soviet Victory". Yet, it doesn't. They did not win the Winter War. Only the Continuation War, which is a completely different war.

[South Norwega]

It's unsourced, actually.

Click interim peace. Source is:

http://www.winterwar.com/War%27sEnd.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War

They don't source "Interim Peace". That website doesn't mention "interim".

The thing is, it's an interim peace because of the continuation war.

Yeah, a completely different war.

Or, essentially a continuation of the same war, which is the view which needs to be taken for the phrase "Interim peace", to actually make sense.

The Soviets won the Winter War, but drove Finland into the arms of the Axis.

Then it would say for the Winter War "Decisive Soviet Victory" or "Soviet Victory". Yet, it doesn't. They did not win the Winter War. Only the Continuation War, which is a completely different war.

I've explained why it doesn't say victory, it's because of the Continuation War. It certainly wasn't a great Soviet Victory, it was a Pyrrhic Victory, at best, but it was some form of victory.

[Weltmachtistan]

If Hitler hadn't betrayed the Soviets and the Italians then they probably would have won WW2. But then there would be a huge war over who gets what land. So it is possible for them to win, but that doesn't mean it would last for long.

[Panzerjaeger]

If Hitler hadn't betrayed the Soviets and the Italians then they probably would have won WW2. But then there would be a huge war over who gets what land. So it is possible for them to win, but that doesn't mean it would last for long.

Betrayed the Italians? You mean gotten waist deep in the quagmires that were Greece and Africa while bailing the Italians out?

[Halugland]

psh. soviet russia

[Gordonisia]

If Hitler hadn't betrayed the Soviets and the Italians then they probably would have won WW2. But then there would be a huge war over who gets what land. So it is possible for them to win, but that doesn't mean it would last for long.

i'm pretty sure Italy turned on Germany after Mussolini got the axe...

[Panzerjaeger]

If Hitler hadn't betrayed the Soviets and the Italians then they probably would have won WW2. But then there would be a huge war over who gets what land. So it is possible for them to win, but that doesn't mean it would last for long.

i'm pretty sure Italy turned on Germany after Mussolini got the axe...

Indeed they did.

[Fulma]

first off, Nazi Germany, need to focous on one front. So They would have invaded britain so they could control the atlantic. To do that, instead of bombing, do that but cooped with a mass invasion by sea. And when I mean massive I mean normandy but on Bratian. So italy,and austra hunger , (I dont care about spelling) Invade at once. when the battle is over. and after japan has bombed pearl harbor, let them drown. Hilter knew that america with all of her untapped resoucs. Then, call for peace. And then wait it out. Now fast forward to the cold war. But in this case, it is three sided, and with german enginering, they would have won. The fast forward to today and you see this empire crossing all of eruope. Then, the war in iraq will be supported by Nazi germany. America will be broke trying to keep up with them.

[Panzerjaeger]

first off, Nazi Germany, need to focous on one front. So They would have invaded britain so they could control the atlantic. To do that, instead of bombing, do that but cooped with a mass invasion by sea. And when I mean massive I mean normandy but on Bratian. So italy,and austra hunger , (I dont care about spelling) Invade at once. when the battle is over. and after japan has bombed pearl harbor, let them drown. Hilter knew that america with all of her untapped resoucs. Then, call for peace. And then wait it out. Now fast forward to the cold war. But in this case, it is three sided, and with german enginering, they would have won. The fast forward to today and you see this empire crossing all of eruope. Then, the war in iraq will be supported by Nazi germany. America will be broke trying to keep up with them.

Austria-Hungary....what war are you talking about?

[Fulma]

first off, Nazi Germany, need to focous on one front. So They would have invaded britain so they could control the atlantic. To do that, instead of bombing, do that but cooped with a mass invasion by sea. And when I mean massive I mean normandy but on Bratian. So italy,and austra hunger , (I dont care about spelling) Invade at once. when the battle is over. and after japan has bombed pearl harbor, let them drown. Hilter knew that america with all of her untapped resoucs. Then, call for peace. And then wait it out. Now fast forward to the cold war. But in this case, it is three sided, and with german enginering, they would have won. The fast forward to today and you see this empire crossing all of eruope. Then, the war in iraq will be supported by Nazi germany. America will be broke trying to keep up with them.

Austria-Hungary....what war are you talking about?

Okay it was hungary, and all of the AXIS nations.

[Wolffbaden]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War

They don't source "Interim Peace". That website doesn't mention "interim".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interim_Peace

Primary source:

http://www.winterwar.com/War%27sEnd.htm

Or, essentially a continuation of the same war,

No... this is exactly why they are called by different names. This was the first of two distinct wars between fought between Finland and the Soviet Union during World War II, indeed their reasons for going to war also separate.

which is the view which needs to be taken for the phrase "Interim peace", to actually make sense.

The term is used for the time between the Winter War and the Continuation War, lasting a little over a year (between 1940 and 1941), during which the hostilities between Finland and the Soviet Union temporarily ceased.

It was not one single war, they were two separate wars. That is why they do not just merge them altogether as one under the title "the Winter War". Peace was declared that ended the Winter War. Nobody won that. A year later, the Soviets and Finns started fighting one another when Finland joined the Axis, this time with Germany helping the Finns, in the Continuation War. The Soviets won that war.

I've explained why it doesn't say victory, it's because of the Continuation War.

And I've explained HOW THEY ARE TWO SEPARATE WARS. The Winter War was fought exclusively between the Finns and Soviet Union. Nobody won it; peace was declared between both sides. The Continuation War is the war between Finland and the Soviet Union with Germany helping the Finns after they joined the Axis.

It certainly wasn't a great Soviet Victory, it was a Pyrrhic Victory, at best, but it was some form of victory.

Yes, the Continuation War wasn't a great Soviet victory, certainly a Pyrrhic Victory.

[Illithar]

first off, Nazi Germany, need to focous on one front. So They would have invaded britain so they could control the atlantic. To do that, instead of bombing, do that but cooped with a mass invasion by sea. And when I mean massive I mean normandy but on Bratian. So italy,and austra hunger , (I dont care about spelling) Invade at once. when the battle is over. and after japan has bombed pearl harbor, let them drown. Hilter knew that america with all of her untapped resoucs. Then, call for peace. And then wait it out. Now fast forward to the cold war. But in this case, it is three sided, and with german enginering, they would have won. The fast forward to today and you see this empire crossing all of eruope. Then, the war in iraq will be supported by Nazi germany. America will be broke trying to keep up with them.

You don't seem to have even a basic grasp of history...

[Sungai Pusat]

I recently watched a movie that had an alternate history of Germany winning World War 2.

The Allied invasion of Normandy was rebuffed. The United States never got a foothold in Fortress Europe and was unable to aide in the liberation of the countries occupied by Germany and instead concentrated their efforts against the Japanese Empire with a similar outcome as happened in real life. The movie takes place some twenty years later where the SS has evolved into a peace time police force and the death camps and Hitler's "Final Solution" were not known to the world. Hitler has mellowed with age and is attempting to put a friendlier face on the Nazi Empire.

The Nazi Empire is still fighting the Soviets in the East and now seeks an alliance with the United States against them.

My question is: Is this turn of events possible? What would Germany had to have done to actually win the War in Europe?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvR15G8yEhg First five minutes or so of the movie which is undoubtedly the most interesting part and the only reason I watched the movie.

Well, first of all, they would need a successor. HItler started to become more crazy underground, so they need someone that can sustain themselves for that long.

[Illithar]

I recently watched a movie that had an alternate history of Germany winning World War 2.

The Allied invasion of Normandy was rebuffed. The United States never got a foothold in Fortress Europe and was unable to aide in the liberation of the countries occupied by Germany and instead concentrated their efforts against the Japanese Empire with a similar outcome as happened in real life. The movie takes place some twenty years later where the SS has evolved into a peace time police force and the death camps and Hitler's "Final Solution" were not known to the world. Hitler has mellowed with age and is attempting to put a friendlier face on the Nazi Empire.

The Nazi Empire is still fighting the Soviets in the East and now seeks an alliance with the United States against them.

My question is: Is this turn of events possible? What would Germany had to have done to actually win the War in Europe?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvR15G8yEhg First five minutes or so of the movie which is undoubtedly the most interesting part and the only reason I watched the movie.

Well, first of all, they would need a successor. HItler started to become more crazy underground, so they need someone that can sustain themselves for that long.

It would have been a fight between Himmler and Georing. Honestly I think Himmler would have won.

[Fulma]

first off, Nazi Germany, need to focous on one front. So They would have invaded britain so they could control the atlantic. To do that, instead of bombing, do that but cooped with a mass invasion by sea. And when I mean massive I mean normandy but on Bratian. So italy,and austra hunger , (I dont care about spelling) Invade at once. when the battle is over. and after japan has bombed pearl harbor, let them drown. Hilter knew that america with all of her untapped resoucs. Then, call for peace. And then wait it out. Now fast forward to the cold war. But in this case, it is three sided, and with german enginering, they would have won. The fast forward to today and you see this empire crossing all of eruope. Then, the war in iraq will be supported by Nazi germany. America will be broke trying to keep up with them.

You don't seem to have even a basic grasp of history...

accutly yes. I do I have striaght As in history.
And what is off hm?

[Scarsaw]

It would have been a fight between Himmler and Georing. Honestly I think Himmler would have won.

A fight for power between Himmler and Goring would definitely end with Himmler. Himmler was way more conniving than Goring; he also had the support of the entire SS behind him, which is more than Goring could say.

The thing though is I'm not sure they would have a battle for command as Gobbles would step up to power as Hitler's successor, probably without much confrontation from the others. I could see Bormann taking a shot at the job, as he is a weasel; however, if he did, Himmler and Goring joining forces to take him out as few seemed to like him.

[Unilisia]

I recently watched a movie that had an alternate history of Germany winning World War 2.

The Allied invasion of Normandy was rebuffed. The United States never got a foothold in Fortress Europe and was unable to aide in the liberation of the countries occupied by Germany and instead concentrated their efforts against the Japanese Empire with a similar outcome as happened in real life. The movie takes place some twenty years later where the SS has evolved into a peace time police force and the death camps and Hitler's "Final Solution" were not known to the world. Hitler has mellowed with age and is attempting to put a friendlier face on the Nazi Empire.

The Nazi Empire is still fighting the Soviets in the East and now seeks an alliance with the United States against them.

My question is: Is this turn of events possible? What would Germany had to have done to actually win the War in Europe?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvR15G8yEhg First five minutes or so of the movie which is undoubtedly the most interesting part and the only reason I watched the movie.

Motherf*cker I was LITERALLY about to paste that link.
Isn't there a book about this?

I don't know. Germans would be deep in Russia. England has a puppet, crony king edward whatever of the Nazis. No Israel. I dunno.

Yes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatherland_%28novel%29

[Dark Side Messiahs]

Fatherland, good movie.

I think the depictions of the movie are an accurate depiction of how things would have worked out.

[Scarsaw]

Fatherland, good movie.

I think the depictions of the movie are an accurate depiction of how things would have worked out.

Book is WAY better...I almost wish they would remake Fatherland to have it more accurate to the book.

[Dark Side Messiahs]

Fatherland, good movie.

I think the depictions of the movie are an accurate depiction of how things would have worked out.

Book is WAY better...I almost wish they would remake Fatherland to have it more accurate to the book.

The Book is always better

[Illithar]

first off, Nazi Germany, need to focous on one front. So They would have invaded britain so they could control the atlantic. To do that, instead of bombing, do that but cooped with a mass invasion by sea. And when I mean massive I mean normandy but on Bratian. So italy,and austra hunger , (I dont care about spelling) Invade at once. when the battle is over. and after japan has bombed pearl harbor, let them drown. Hilter knew that america with all of her untapped resoucs. Then, call for peace. And then wait it out. Now fast forward to the cold war. But in this case, it is three sided, and with german enginering, they would have won. The fast forward to today and you see this empire crossing all of eruope. Then, the war in iraq will be supported by Nazi germany. America will be broke trying to keep up with them.

You don't seem to have even a basic grasp of history...

accutly yes. I do I have striaght As in history.
And what is off hm?

Good grades mean nothing, but let's begin.

The plans for the invasion of Britain were called Operation Sealion. This was nothing like Normandy ( a massive, joint operation). It would have been very similar to the invasion of Crete. Germany could not have pulled off a Normandy.

Austria-Hungary did not exist. Per the Treaty of Versseilles in 1919, The Austro-Hungarian Empire was split up into iots various ethinc components: Austria (ethnic Germans), Hungary, Yugoslavia, etc. The treaty also forbade a German-Austro union, which occurred when Germany annexed Austria.

Hitler did not consider the United States to be a major threat to his power at that time. This is because he believed that white Americans had allowed their race to become impure by breeding with Africans and Jews.

There would not have been a three-sided cold war. The Eastern Front against the Russians was a fight to the death. Its very possible that even with a total Nazi victory, the Soviet Union would never have been completely pacified.

The Iraq War would never have happened. A victorious Germania would either own the Middle East or would rule the Middle East through their British puppets.

Your understanding of history is fundamentally flawed. Your history teacher is a disgrace.

[Ethalor]

I'm surprised no one said anything about what I posted earlier.