A tax idea; may sound crazy, don't say no immediately.

[Sun Aut Ex]

How does this sound?

Rather than making tax mandatory, make it optional. If you choose to pay tax, you're issue with a "tax card" or something, which permits you to use the taxpayer-funded facilities of the state. If you choose not to, you can still use the facilities, but have to pay for each use i.e. you receive a bill from the police after calling them.

Obviously this would be harder for some facilities (roads come to mind), but I wouldn't expect it to be implemented all at once.

[Lackadaisical2]

Aye, maybe you choose for taxes for certain services, of course LIbs will argue that this punishes the poor or something.

[Shia Majority]

You could make it to where you have to have a tax card to purchase a vehicle.



Why the hell do you need a car if you can't drive on the road?

[Arkinesia]

This idea makes sense. Not perfect but I don't doubt it could be ironed out.

[Sun Aut Ex]

Aye, maybe you choose for taxes for certain services, of course LIbs will argue that this punishes the poor or something.

Tax rates would still remain. So the poor would still pay a smaller proportion than the rich.

[Christmahanikwanzikah]

You could use transmitters for roads. They use them all the time for toll booths.

Not that I'm saying this would work or anything (for example, how would you go about protecting people in times of war or states of emergency? "Sir, this block of houses is not paying for our protection. I strongly advise fortifying our position the next block over.") but that's how you could do it for roads, at least.

[Garimidia]

It's not a half bad idea. But if the person who rang the police was killed - who would the bill be sent to?

[Faith Hope Charity]

If anything tax should be on consumption, not on income. i want to abolish income tax for a fixed 15% on purchased items.

[New Cassel]

How does this sound?

Rather than making tax mandatory, make it optional. If you choose to pay tax, you're issue with a "tax card" or something, which permits you to use the taxpayer-funded facilities of the state. If you choose not to, you can still use the facilities, but have to pay for each use i.e. you receive a bill from the police after calling them.

Obviously this would be harder for some facilities (roads come to mind), but I wouldn't expect it to be implemented all at once.

I'd honestly just rather see something like this in the hands of private enterprise.

[Sun Aut Ex]

It's not a half bad idea. But if the person who rang the police was killed - who would the bill be sent to?

I dunno, the family, I guess. Or taken out of their estate.

I'd honestly just rather see something like this in the hands of private enterprise.

Corporations don't give a fuck about people. That's why that wouldn't work.

Not that I'm saying this would work or anything (for example, how would you go about protecting people in times of war or states of emergency? "Sir, this block of houses is not paying for our protection. I strongly advise fortifying our position the next block over.") but that's how you could do it for roads, at least.

Obviously a state of emergency is different, and for the duration, taxes may have to be mandatory.

Basically, I'm gambling that people will realise that tax is necessary and then most will pay taxes.

[Aeyariss]

I'd honestly just rather see something like this in the hands of private enterprise.

This.

[Great Nepal]

Makes sense, but it can not be used in emergency.... like a house of a person who choose not to pay tax, is on fire. He calls the fire fighter, the fire fighter will come, with a bill... but sadly all of his money was on his home (he was planning to buy a second house and he had just withdrawn all of his money from banks and had used up all of his possible loans) and all his money got burnt down... Now what?

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Better tax idea would be that you choose which service you want to pay for and which you wont.

[Bendira]

Mandatory taxation is theft. A voluntary tax is interesting, but you still have to question who is receiving the tax and why. At that point, you are paying the government to protect you individually. Corporations would pay taxes to bribe the government. The better idea is to just have no taxation at all.

[Ermarian]

How does this sound?

Rather than making tax mandatory, make it optional. If you choose to pay tax, you're issue with a "tax card" or something, which permits you to use the taxpayer-funded facilities of the state. If you choose not to, you can still use the facilities, but have to pay for each use i.e. you receive a bill from the police after calling them.

Obviously this would be harder for some facilities (roads come to mind), but I wouldn't expect it to be implemented all at once.

As long as you don't have to read out your credit card number while calling emergency services...

[Sun Aut Ex]

Makes sense, but it can not be used in emergency.... like a house of a person who choose not to pay tax, is on fire. He calls the fire fighter, the fire fighter will come, with a bill... but sadly all of his money was on his home (he was planning to buy a second house and he had just withdrawn all of his money from banks and had used up all of his possible loans) and all his money got burnt down... Now what?

Delayed pay. The govt will get it's money eventually, even if it means taking it out of the guy's estate.

[Aeyariss]

To further debate this issue, I've to ask this, do we have any reason as to why we need to change the normal system to the poster suggestions? What are the pro and the cons of this system?

[The Tavan Race]

I stand by this proposal. Especially for those who wish to home-school their children.

[Georgism]

Makes sense, but it can not be used in emergency.... like a house of a person who choose not to pay tax, is on fire. He calls the fire fighter, the fire fighter will come, with a bill... but sadly all of his money was on his home (he was planning to buy a second house and he had just withdrawn all of his money from banks and had used up all of his possible loans) and all his money got burnt down... Now what?

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Better tax idea would be that you choose which service you want to pay for and which you wont.

He gets fucked with debt. I don't see how it would be much different from private enterprise handling the same thing apart from the government is not necessarily 'for profit'.

[Sun Aut Ex]

Corporations would pay taxes to bribe the government.

No, they wouldn't, partly because without paying they get nothing, and partly because I haven't decided whether this system will apply to businesses.

The better idea is to just have no taxation at all.

And who's going to build the roads? You?

As long as you don't have to read out your credit card number while calling emergency services...

Of course not. They'd complete the job, THEN ask to see your tax card/give you a bill.

[Great Nepal]

Makes sense, but it can not be used in emergency.... like a house of a person who choose not to pay tax, is on fire. He calls the fire fighter, the fire fighter will come, with a bill... but sadly all of his money was on his home (he was planning to buy a second house and he had just withdrawn all of his money from banks and had used up all of his possible loans) and all his money got burnt down... Now what?

Delayed pay. The govt will get it's money eventually, even if it means taking it out of the guy's estate.

What if he will never pay it back? There is no way to force him to pay, as there is nothing left with him.... he sold out all his shares, took all the possible loans, took out all his bank balance, sold all his estates and got the money to house... and suddenly all his money, including his only house is in ashes.. and to make the matter worst he is unemployed, so government have no chance of taking money from his salary.

[Sun Aut Ex]

To further debate this issue, I've to ask this, do we have any reason as to why we need to change the normal system to the poster suggestions? What are the pro and the cons of this system?

People complain about tax. A lot. Additionally, many people (like me) object not the the tax itself, but to where it's being spent (the govt here recently used their emergency powers and taxpayers' money to run an ad about why they should be allowed to implement a tax on mining. Very, very dodgy).

[Christmahanikwanzikah]

Makes sense, but it can not be used in emergency.... like a house of a person who choose not to pay tax, is on fire. He calls the fire fighter, the fire fighter will come, with a bill... but sadly all of his money was on his home (he was planning to buy a second house and he had just withdrawn all of his money from banks and had used up all of his possible loans) and all his money got burnt down... Now what?

Delayed pay. The govt will get it's money eventually, even if it means taking it out of the guy's estate.

What if he will never pay it back? There is no way to force him to pay, as there is nothing left with him.... he sold out all his shares, took all the possible loans, took out all his bank balance, sold all his estates and got the money to house... and suddenly all his money, including his only house is in ashes.. and to make the matter worst he is unemployed, so government have no chance of taking money from his salary.

Ear rape. With a vuvuzela.

[Great Nepal]

Makes sense, but it can not be used in emergency.... like a house of a person who choose not to pay tax, is on fire. He calls the fire fighter, the fire fighter will come, with a bill... but sadly all of his money was on his home (he was planning to buy a second house and he had just withdrawn all of his money from banks and had used up all of his possible loans) and all his money got burnt down... Now what?

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Better tax idea would be that you choose which service you want to pay for and which you wont.

He gets fucked with debt. I don't see how it would be much different from private enterprise handling the same thing apart from the government is not necessarily 'for profit'.

Nah, he was going to buy his second house, so he is already in maximum debt and his credit score is around 0-3.... now?

[Sun Aut Ex]

What if he will never pay it back? There is no way to force him to pay, as there is nothing left with him.... he sold out all his shares, took all the possible loans, took out all his bank balance, sold all his estates and got the money to house... and suddenly all his money, including his only house is in ashes.. and to make the matter worst he is unemployed, so government have no chance of taking money from his salary.

Well, then the govt misses out on one. Big deal. No different from people using loopholes to avoid paying tax.

[Georgism]

Makes sense, but it can not be used in emergency.... like a house of a person who choose not to pay tax, is on fire. He calls the fire fighter, the fire fighter will come, with a bill... but sadly all of his money was on his home (he was planning to buy a second house and he had just withdrawn all of his money from banks and had used up all of his possible loans) and all his money got burnt down... Now what?

Delayed pay. The govt will get it's money eventually, even if it means taking it out of the guy's estate.

What if he will never pay it back? There is no way to force him to pay, as there is nothing left with him.... he sold out all his shares, took all the possible loans, took out all his bank balance, sold all his estates and got the money to house... and suddenly all his money, including his only house is in ashes.. and to make the matter worst he is unemployed, so government have no chance of taking money from his salary.

Assassination, followed by selling his organs on the black market.