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Postby The Phoenix Consortium » Mon Nov 11, 2024 10:58 am

My greater issue with the school system is they work with cops to put kids in prison for having weed or ciggies on them.
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Postby Slembana » Mon Nov 11, 2024 11:28 am

The Phoenix Consortium wrote:My greater issue with the school system is they work with cops to put kids in prison for having weed or ciggies on them.

Same here. American schools also teach children that America was always great. They teach a sanitised, propagandist version of US history.
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Postby Soviet Haaregrad » Mon Nov 11, 2024 11:31 am

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Kreigsreich of Iron wrote:So basically they’re indoctrinating KINDERGARTENERS in something that will have literally no use in the real-word or important classes.


According to a known right-wing grifter.


Right-wing grifters are the only reporters who haven't been infected with the woke mind virus or something.
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Postby Turenia » Mon Nov 11, 2024 2:53 pm

Slembana wrote:
The Phoenix Consortium wrote:My greater issue with the school system is they work with cops to put kids in prison for having weed or ciggies on them.

Same here. American schools also teach children that America was always great. They teach a sanitised, propagandist version of US history.

As does pretty much every country.
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Postby Necroghastia » Mon Nov 11, 2024 3:06 pm

The dilution of the words "grooming" and "groomers" to be used in a way to fearmonger about every little thing under the sun does far more damage to children and society as a whole than... whatever this is.

Like, really? Making a registry of people who... teach history/social studies with nuance and acknowledgment of facts, and more than just one side? Shutting down public schools altogether (because obviously private schools and homeschool are neeever ever ever run by people with some sort of agenda :roll: )

Get fucking real already.
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Postby Kreigsreich of Iron » Mon Nov 11, 2024 3:13 pm

Necroghastia wrote:The dilution of the words "grooming" and "groomers" to be used in a way to fearmonger about every little thing under the sun does far more damage to children and society as a whole than... whatever this is.

Like, really? Making a registry of people who... teach history/social studies with nuance and acknowledgment of facts, and more than just one side? Shutting down public schools altogether (because obviously private schools and homeschool are neeever ever ever run by people with some sort of agenda :roll: )

Get fucking real already.

The teach social studies not with nuance and acknowledgment of facts, as you claim, but rather with a definite pro-Palestinian, anti-Israeli bias.


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Postby Slembana » Mon Nov 11, 2024 3:13 pm

Necroghastia wrote:The dilution of the words "grooming" and "groomers" to be used in a way to fearmonger about every little thing under the sun does far more damage to children and society as a whole than... whatever this is.

Like, really? Making a registry of people who... teach history/social studies with nuance and acknowledgment of facts, and more than just one side? Shutting down public schools altogether (because obviously private schools and homeschool are neeever ever ever run by people with some sort of agenda :roll: )

Get fucking real already.

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Postby James_xenoland » Tue Nov 12, 2024 10:33 pm

Not surprising, our education standards all the way from the classroom to higher education has taken a nosedive in the last few decades. They will let anyone teach, or each teachers, if they have the correct types of opinions.. no matter how extreme or deranged. In fact the system has been subverted largely to reward his kind of naked political/ideological wankery.
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Postby Renewed Detroit » Tue Nov 12, 2024 10:54 pm

Most of the links in the article the OP links to look sketchy, but the ADL and the Brandeis Center for Human Rights did file a complaint against a California school district to the Department of Education. So, at least that much is true.

LM, you could perhaps find other sources to verify the claims in your article?

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Postby Kostane » Tue Nov 12, 2024 10:57 pm

Slembana wrote:
The Phoenix Consortium wrote:My greater issue with the school system is they work with cops to put kids in prison for having weed or ciggies on them.

Same here. American schools also teach children that America was always great. They teach a sanitised, propagandist version of US history.

Maybe to elementary school students. I feel like all that I seem to be learning about in higher levels of US history is how bad the United States was. Maybe that’s just because the United States is objectively bad at multiple times throughout history.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Tue Nov 12, 2024 11:36 pm

Your source is, par for the course, fucking nuts.
Four years ago, I was among the first journalists to expose the widespread incursion of gender ideology into our schools. Once-fringe beliefs about gender swiftly took over large swaths of society partly thanks to their inclusion in school curricula and lessons.

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As one Catholic parent who exposes radicalism in schools nationwide on the Substack Undercover Mother said to me: “They’ve moved on from BLM to gender unicorn to the new thing: anti-Israel activism. Anti-Israel activism is the new gender ideology in the schools.”

These people you are reading are cooked. Also, I echo what Necro posted:
Necroghastia wrote:The dilution of the words "grooming" and "groomers" to be used in a way to fearmonger about every little thing under the sun does far more damage to children and society as a whole than... whatever this is.

Like, really? Making a registry of people who... teach history/social studies with nuance and acknowledgment of facts, and more than just one side? Shutting down public schools altogether (because obviously private schools and homeschool are neeever ever ever run by people with some sort of agenda :roll: )

Get fucking real already.

It's highly, highly, highly strange for you to repeatedly use the phrases "grooming", a phrase that most often means sexual abuse [I am aware that it is used for describing political radicalisation, I counter that this meaning exists solely because of the sexual connotations]. Over and over again. And then you tie it with the metaphor "pants down", about what teachers do with children under their charge. Did you not proofread this post? Were you too angry before hitting submit to consider what your post says?

The concern over the gross overmisuse of this phraseology to discuss political opponents in any and all circumstances is well-covered.
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Wed Nov 13, 2024 5:15 pm

Here's a non-shit source, by the way

Nothing about how teachers are now teaching kids to hate Israel. There was no serious change in curriculum, just a union deciding that the education of the Palestinian people is just as important as the education of Americans.

But even if it were true, maybe the fact we indoctrinate children into thinking a foreign country that sterilizes black people is our greatest ally is a bit more serious than "some social study and history teachers are teaching.... NUANCE???"

If the situation were reversed, you moral cowards would call it the suppression of free speech or a brave stand against liberal academia. But when the UTLA suggests that the bombs used to murder children in the thousands should be stopped, that discussions of Israel's long history of genocide and oppression against both Palestinians and Jews is not anti-semitic and should be opposed, and that the lives, education, and liberties of Palestinian Children matter just as much as those of Israeli children - you all cry culture war and call for bans and arrests. The Jews did not suffer hundreds of years of pogroms and genocides to become weapons of your dictatorships - real or advocated for.

For shame.
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Postby Urine Town » Thu Nov 14, 2024 12:11 am

Slembana wrote:
The Phoenix Consortium wrote:My greater issue with the school system is they work with cops to put kids in prison for having weed or ciggies on them.

Same here. American schools also teach children that America was always great. They teach a sanitised, propagandist version of US history.


I fear for parents living in Florida who will ask their child “ what did you learn in school today.” And the child states “I have learned that slavery isn’t so bad because African Americans learned valuable skills.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna95418

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Slembana wrote:Same here. American schools also teach children that America was always great. They teach a sanitised, propagandist version of US history.


I fear for parents living in Florida who will ask their child “ what did you learn in school today.” And the child states “I have learned that slavery isn’t so bad because African Americans learned valuable skills.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna95418

This is what DeSantis wants for our youth. This is what the Florida Board of Education wants for our youth

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This idea that teachers should be content with teaching an apolitical, sanitised version of history is ridiculous. The "truth" isn't at the "middle", if one side says slavery was very bad and another says slavery was a bit bad, the truth isn't that slavery was kinda bad.

Do not be surprised when teachers who've spent their entire lives studying their field and have dedicated their lives to the task of instructing children in an honest way start divising ways to ensure that they're able to convey the historical nuance behind the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and it colonialist origins instigated by the very colonial zionist ideology. Don't be surprised when people inject politics into education... because not injecting it with politics is also a political decision. Because teaching children without an ounce of political nuance is giving them a sterile, uninformative, incomplete education. This idea that history has an "objective" look, that it can be taught by simply telling facts, is as laughable as the idea that all natural sciences are inherently objective. Everything humans do is approached with some degree of bias, even doing a simple 1 + 1 calculation. Learning and analysing history is no different.

Because the nazis weren't just a group of evil guys, the US was not just trying to prop up democratic ideals during its many interventions in foreign countries, and Israel is not just a State defending itself against sudden aggression that it could've never foreseen. This sanitised version of history where things just "happen" in a disconnected way is exactly the kind of thing which makes students apathetic and apolitical. This is how you kill class consciousness before it ever gets a chance to be developed.
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Postby Liberal Malaysia » Thu Nov 14, 2024 1:46 am

Hammer Britannia wrote:Here's a non-shit source, by the way

Nothing about how teachers are now teaching kids to hate Israel. There was no serious change in curriculum, just a union deciding that the education of the Palestinian people is just as important as the education of Americans.

But even if it were true, maybe the fact we indoctrinate children into thinking a foreign country that sterilizes black people is our greatest ally is a bit more serious than "some social study and history teachers are teaching.... NUANCE???"

If the situation were reversed, you moral cowards would call it the suppression of free speech or a brave stand against liberal academia. But when the UTLA suggests that the bombs used to murder children in the thousands should be stopped, that discussions of Israel's long history of genocide and oppression against both Palestinians and Jews is not anti-semitic and should be opposed, and that the lives, education, and liberties of Palestinian Children matter just as much as those of Israeli children - you all cry culture war and call for bans and arrests. The Jews did not suffer hundreds of years of pogroms and genocides to become weapons of your dictatorships - real or advocated for.

For shame.


So the L.A. Times completely omits whats actually happening because they don't give a fuck. It falls to actual investigative journalists like Abigail Shrier to expose the indefensible because the legacy media have gotten lazy and won't do their fucking jobs properly. I can't wait for them to crash and burn because nobody cares what they have to say about anything anymore.

There is absolutely nothing nuanced about lying about the history of a conflict these groomers clearly know nothing about. There is nothing nuanced about depicting a map that totally omits Israel altogether. There is nothing nuanced about referring to Israel as a "settler-colonial state", forcing Jewish students to read from a passage decrying Israel's existence as a "settler-colonial state", and inciting children as young as FUCKING FIVE to hate and bully their Jewish classmates for being "Zionists", even if their Jewishness has nothing to do with Zionism or Israel. There is nothing nuanced about depicting Israel-Palestine-themed pie charts in a MATH CLASS of all things. There is nothing nuanced about shaming Jewish kids for showcasing their Jewish heritage because it "makes the Muslim students uncomfortable" or something, which is supremely ironic.

There is nothing nuanced about relying directly on sources from the Qatari and Turkish Islamofascist regimes to spread blatant misinformation and propaganda about a distant conflict. They might as well rely on reading materials from the CCP-backed "Confucius Peace Institute" to teach about China or something. The truth is that the people you shamelessly defend don't give a shit about "nuance".

What does Israel even have to do with teaching at a kindergarten? Fucking nothing at all. These losers have nothing better to do than to conspire against the Jews and Israel and to impose their agenda on other people's kids without their parents' knowledge or consent. They're conspiring to groom impressionable minors to turn on their Jewish classmates and they should all be ARRESTED for their despicable crimes. It is an unhealthy fixation and it must be stamped out entirely. Moral cowardice is grooming five-year-olds to hate Jews and Israel and shamelessly doubling down on the indoctrination of minors when called out on this disgusting shit. Jewish students are more fearful for their safety than ever, but you clearly don't give a shit about them because you care about "nuance".

You yourself admitted you would have a problem if schools taught pro-Israel content in K-12 public schools. You assume I wouldn't have a problem with it. You're wrong. ALL indoctrination of minors should be outlawed, including right-wing religious indoctrination. Including Jesus Camp. If you want to protest Jesus Camp and demand that they be shut down for child abuse, then more power to you. Telling your kid they're going to burn in hell if they don't support the right political party or pray five times a day everyday facing a certain direction is CHILD ABUSE. Telling your kid that they must support Palestine in a math class and subtly ostracizing the Jewish students is CHILD ABUSE. If you want to teach about Israel-Palestine, then wait till high school, then teach BOTH SIDES without fear or favor and let the kids make their own minds up instead of trying to "steer" them toward a particular POV. Stop encouraging children to produce and wave Palestine flags, chant pro-terrorist slogans and attend "Free Palestine" rallies where you "just happen to be at the same place at the same time". Fucking lol.

For shame.

Just to be clear, my position only applies to the indoctrination of under-18s. Universities, especially private ones, should be allowed to teach whatever the hell they want, and prospective students, alumni and private donors should be free to boycott them, defund them, shame them and expose them. Maybe Elise Stefanik should be the Secretary of Education instead. She really gave those university presidents an earful last year.

Cessarea wrote:This idea that teachers should be content with teaching an apolitical, sanitised version of history is ridiculous. The "truth" isn't at the "middle", if one side says slavery was very bad and another says slavery was a bit bad, the truth isn't that slavery was kinda bad.

Do not be surprised when teachers who've spent their entire lives studying their field and have dedicated their lives to the task of instructing children in an honest way start divising ways to ensure that they're able to convey the historical nuance behind the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and it colonialist origins instigated by the very colonial zionist ideology. Don't be surprised when people inject politics into education... because not injecting it with politics is also a political decision. Because teaching children without an ounce of political nuance is giving them a sterile, uninformative, incomplete education. This idea that history has an "objective" look, that it can be taught by simply telling facts, is as laughable as the idea that all natural sciences are inherently objective. Everything humans do is approached with some degree of bias, even doing a simple 1 + 1 calculation. Learning and analysing history is no different.

Because the nazis weren't just a group of evil guys, the US was not just trying to prop up democratic ideals during its many interventions in foreign countries, and Israel is not just a State defending itself against sudden aggression that it could've never foreseen. This sanitised version of history where things just "happen" in a disconnected way is exactly the kind of thing which makes students apathetic and apolitical. This is how you kill class consciousness before it ever gets a chance to be developed.


"Indoctrinating kids is justified because [repeats lies about Zionism and the Middle East conflict] and everything is political and something something class struggle".

You just proved my point.
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This disgusting shit happens in public schools in my country ALL THE GODDAMN TIME. Last November, my government "encouraged" public schools to host an extra-curricular "Palestine Solidarity Week" where children waved toy guns, wore keffiyehs and stomped on an Israeli flag, just a few weeks after Hamas committed the most sickening atrocity against the Jews since the Holocaust itself. My government is teaching our kids to hate Jews and we have to PAY for this sort of state-sanctioned incitement. Meanwhile, anyone who expresses any support for Israel, no matter how long ago they said it or how moderate and sensible their take is, gets arrested for "sedition" because his statements "make Muslims uncomfortable". Anti-Israel indoctrination occurs over here too and it makes me FUCKING SICK TO MY STOMACH. Of course I'm going to have a HUGE problem when it happens elsewhere, anywhere at all, in any capacity.
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Postby Cessarea » Thu Nov 14, 2024 1:52 am

Liberal Malaysia wrote:
Cessarea wrote:This idea that teachers should be content with teaching an apolitical, sanitised version of history is ridiculous. The "truth" isn't at the "middle", if one side says slavery was very bad and another says slavery was a bit bad, the truth isn't that slavery was kinda bad.

Do not be surprised when teachers who've spent their entire lives studying their field and have dedicated their lives to the task of instructing children in an honest way start divising ways to ensure that they're able to convey the historical nuance behind the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and it colonialist origins instigated by the very colonial zionist ideology. Don't be surprised when people inject politics into education... because not injecting it with politics is also a political decision. Because teaching children without an ounce of political nuance is giving them a sterile, uninformative, incomplete education. This idea that history has an "objective" look, that it can be taught by simply telling facts, is as laughable as the idea that all natural sciences are inherently objective. Everything humans do is approached with some degree of bias, even doing a simple 1 + 1 calculation. Learning and analysing history is no different.

Because the nazis weren't just a group of evil guys, the US was not just trying to prop up democratic ideals during its many interventions in foreign countries, and Israel is not just a State defending itself against sudden aggression that it could've never foreseen. This sanitised version of history where things just "happen" in a disconnected way is exactly the kind of thing which makes students apathetic and apolitical. This is how you kill class consciousness before it ever gets a chance to be developed.


"Indoctrinating kids is justified because [repeats lies about Zionism and the Middle East conflict] and everything is political and something something class struggle".

You just proved my point.

Everything is political, though...? How exactly do you want to teach children about the colonisation of a part of the Middle East without the "political" implications? Why exactly do you think that pushback against zionism has been disproportionately large by historians? Maybe because spending your life studying this makes you realise the real origins of the conflict...?

I don't understand this right-wing aversion to nuance.
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