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Do you think Donald Trump will serve his full term in office?

Yes
289
55%
No: he will be impeached and convicted
33
6%
No: he will die in office
150
29%
No: he will be forced to resign a la Nixon
32
6%
No (other)
18
3%
 
Total votes : 522

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Postby Brydenfel » Mon Nov 11, 2024 11:17 am

My Holy Cushion wrote:
Brydenfel wrote:... What is he meant to do, not nominate women? If he did so you would complain anyways.


Nice to know you are ok with tokens and not people qualified. Unlike you I am not easily tricked by token gestures designed to fool people.
It's not a token, because they have potential. Unlike many people gifted roles just to look pretty being female, or a certain race, or a certain sexuality. Also, why do you assume women being picked for things is a token?
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Postby Brydenfel » Mon Nov 11, 2024 11:20 am

Good news. Crush the woke establishment, every single bit of it.
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Daemonkin of Corn
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Postby Daemonkin of Corn » Mon Nov 11, 2024 11:20 am

Brydenfel wrote:
My Holy Cushion wrote:
Nice to know you are ok with tokens and not people qualified. Unlike you I am not easily tricked by token gestures designed to fool people.
It's not a token, because they have potential. Unlike many people gifted roles just to look pretty being female, or a certain race, or a certain sexuality. Also, why do you assume women being picked for things is a token?


Same reason you would assume the same thing based on your previous inclinations. *Shrug*

Because of their personal biases.
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Ifreann
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Nov 11, 2024 11:21 am

Brydenfel wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Trump picked her because she's a Trump loyalist.
I'd expect him not to pick a SJW as part of a fairly important role, as she would sabotage Trump's vision. I'm happy Trump is developing the younger part of the american right, as they have done so much for him, he must have noticed how important they are. Besides, there will be a day where Trump is no longer with us and someone has to carry his legacy. And who knows, maybe that person is Elise? No options can be discarted.

It's a nice job to be given, little work to do and regular contact with the President. A fine reward for Stefanik defending Trump in the House and, I would guess, on TV. That's realistically all Trump cares about.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Mon Nov 11, 2024 11:21 am


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Zurkerx
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Postby Zurkerx » Mon Nov 11, 2024 11:22 am



That's not surprising considering he's one of Trump's main architects for policies and plans. The fact he will be overseeing policy is clear indication in the direction Trump wants to go. Miller, as we all know, has contributed to Project 2025 so we can expect some aspects of that to be in Trump's plan despite him distancing himself from it.
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Postby Daemonkin of Corn » Mon Nov 11, 2024 11:22 am

Ifreann wrote:
Brydenfel wrote:I'd expect him not to pick a SJW as part of a fairly important role, as she would sabotage Trump's vision. I'm happy Trump is developing the younger part of the american right, as they have done so much for him, he must have noticed how important they are. Besides, there will be a day where Trump is no longer with us and someone has to carry his legacy. And who knows, maybe that person is Elise? No options can be discarted.

It's a nice job to be given, little work to do and regular contact with the President. A fine reward for Stefanik defending Trump in the House and, I would guess, on TV. That's realistically all Trump cares about.



Omfg it's not that deep.

Ambassadorships are cushy good-looking jobs you give to people as political favors.
*Capabilities in our factbook are relative to present day standards. In relation to the nation that might be reading this, just scale according to your time period, scale, or setting.*
*The following was carved into the bloody back of a headless corpse at the center of a massive corn maze*
Blood flows, like sap from the stalks, and Corn watches from the fields of blood and battle. I stand in the golden sea, my hands stained with blood. Corn cares not from whence the blood flows, only that it mingles with the soil, that it feeds the roots of the endless harvest.
Skulls for the husks, blood for the kernels! The fields will grow tall, and Corn’s name will be sung forever.
WAR FOREVER!! THE HARVEST IS ENDLESS! BLOOD FOR THE HARVEST! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!

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Postby Daemonkin of Corn » Mon Nov 11, 2024 11:23 am

Brydenfel wrote:
Good news. Crush the woke establishment, every single bit of it.


You know Trump isn't in office yet right?

This is Biden's FEMA.

Also I thought FEMA was woke establishment? It's a government organization.
*Capabilities in our factbook are relative to present day standards. In relation to the nation that might be reading this, just scale according to your time period, scale, or setting.*
*The following was carved into the bloody back of a headless corpse at the center of a massive corn maze*
Blood flows, like sap from the stalks, and Corn watches from the fields of blood and battle. I stand in the golden sea, my hands stained with blood. Corn cares not from whence the blood flows, only that it mingles with the soil, that it feeds the roots of the endless harvest.
Skulls for the husks, blood for the kernels! The fields will grow tall, and Corn’s name will be sung forever.
WAR FOREVER!! THE HARVEST IS ENDLESS! BLOOD FOR THE HARVEST! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!

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Brydenfel
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Postby Brydenfel » Mon Nov 11, 2024 11:23 am

Daemonkin of Corn wrote:
Brydenfel wrote:It's not a token, because they have potential. Unlike many people gifted roles just to look pretty being female, or a certain race, or a certain sexuality. Also, why do you assume women being picked for things is a token?


Same reason you would assume the same thing based on your previous inclinations. *Shrug*

Because of their personal biases.
Many of the woketokens that took the roles they were unqualified for ended up being shit at said roles. Of course, common people can be shit at said roles too, but at least you'd expect them to be qualified and not be there just because of their sexuality or race (AOC looking at you).

Trump likely picked this woman not because of "RePrEsEnTaTiOn", but because he saw interesting things in her that are worth practicing for the future of the GOP and the Trump Movement.
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Postby Zurkerx » Mon Nov 11, 2024 11:23 am

Paddy O Fernature wrote:


Wish I could say that I am shocked by this.


To be clear, it was only one individual, who was caught and fired. So, they were able to root that person out and get rid of them. It's ashamed that some individuals would resort to that, but the good news is that it's a very small minority.
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My Holy Cushion
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Postby My Holy Cushion » Mon Nov 11, 2024 11:24 am

2028 WOOF

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Postby The Terren Dominion » Mon Nov 11, 2024 11:24 am

Brydenfel wrote:
My Holy Cushion wrote:
So he picked a white nationalist. Figures, racist.
It's the white house, of course he did. He will likely appoint a black supremacist for the black house.

What in the flying fuck is the Black House?
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Postby Northern Seleucia » Mon Nov 11, 2024 11:25 am

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Postby Brydenfel » Mon Nov 11, 2024 11:25 am

Daemonkin of Corn wrote:
Brydenfel wrote:Good news. Crush the woke establishment, every single bit of it.


You know Trump isn't in office yet right?

This is Biden's FEMA.

Also I thought FEMA was woke establishment? It's a government organization.
Of course the people working at FEMA will do that. Biden's regime is about to end, and who says that they wouldn't haven't been purged if they allowed that to continue? Regardless of motivation, good thing.
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Postby Brydenfel » Mon Nov 11, 2024 11:26 am

...So, you are saying Trump Supporters should die in a hurricane?
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Postby The Terren Dominion » Mon Nov 11, 2024 11:26 am


No it was just. The government should never take political ideology into account when helping people. If they can do it to people they don't like, they can do it to people you do.
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Postby Southglory » Mon Nov 11, 2024 11:27 am

Zurkerx wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Wish I could say that I am shocked by this.


To be clear, it was only one individual, who was caught and fired. So, they were able to root that person out and get rid of them. It's ashamed that some individuals would resort to that, but the good news is that it's a very small minority.


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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Mon Nov 11, 2024 11:27 am



Coming from you, I'm once against not surprised by your choice of words.

And you wonder why people are fleeing supporting your party. I simply cannot imagine why.......

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Postby Ifreann » Mon Nov 11, 2024 11:31 am

Daemonkin of Corn wrote:
Ifreann wrote:It's a nice job to be given, little work to do and regular contact with the President. A fine reward for Stefanik defending Trump in the House and, I would guess, on TV. That's realistically all Trump cares about.



Omfg it's not that deep.

Ambassadorships are cushy good-looking jobs you give to people as political favors.

Depends a bit on what mission it is. The UN ambassador job is a cushy as they come. Don't even have to run an embassy.
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Postby Gravlen » Mon Nov 11, 2024 11:33 am

Zurkerx wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Wish I could say that I am shocked by this.


To be clear, it was only one individual, who was caught and fired. So, they were able to root that person out and get rid of them. It's ashamed that some individuals would resort to that, but the good news is that it's a very small minority.

Indeed.

We should be happy that FEMA isn't like the police force.
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Postby Daemonkin of Corn » Mon Nov 11, 2024 11:35 am

Brydenfel wrote:
Daemonkin of Corn wrote:
You know Trump isn't in office yet right?

This is Biden's FEMA.

Also I thought FEMA was woke establishment? It's a government organization.
Of course the people working at FEMA will do that. Biden's regime is about to end, and who says that they wouldn't haven't been purged if they allowed that to continue? Regardless of motivation, good thing.


It's not that deep.

You can't be politically selective in who receives government assistance. They were fired because they were doing something in direct violation of policy and something that is frankly by any standard insane.
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Blood flows, like sap from the stalks, and Corn watches from the fields of blood and battle. I stand in the golden sea, my hands stained with blood. Corn cares not from whence the blood flows, only that it mingles with the soil, that it feeds the roots of the endless harvest.
Skulls for the husks, blood for the kernels! The fields will grow tall, and Corn’s name will be sung forever.
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Postby My Holy Cushion » Mon Nov 11, 2024 11:35 am

The Terren Dominion wrote:
My Holy Cushion wrote:
Unjust termination

No it was just. The government should never take political ideology into account when helping people. If they can do it to people they don't like, they can do it to people you do.



I think it was too severe in this case. Maybe a suspension but not this.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Mon Nov 11, 2024 11:37 am

My Holy Cushion wrote:
The Terren Dominion wrote:No it was just. The government should never take political ideology into account when helping people. If they can do it to people they don't like, they can do it to people you do.



I think it was too severe in this case. Maybe a suspension but not this.


Yeah no, this behavior is 110% unacceptable from either side.

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Postby Dimetrodon Empire » Mon Nov 11, 2024 11:38 am

The Terren Dominion wrote:
My Holy Cushion wrote:
Unjust termination

No it was just. The government should never take political ideology into account when helping people. If they can do it to people they don't like, they can do it to people you do.

Yeah, doing that is fucked up and it doesn't matter which side does it either.
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