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Do you think Donald Trump will serve his full term in office?

Yes
289
55%
No: he will be impeached and convicted
33
6%
No: he will die in office
150
29%
No: he will be forced to resign a la Nixon
32
6%
No (other)
18
3%
 
Total votes : 522

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Adamede
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Postby Adamede » Sun Nov 10, 2024 7:23 pm

So uh lab here wrote:
Benuty wrote:God help us.

I bet trump's getting assassinated

Its entirely a possibility, but imho his health is pretty crap and if he dies it'll more likely be to natural cuases.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Nov 10, 2024 7:23 pm

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Normal people? That would be a fuck no!
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Postby So uh lab here » Sun Nov 10, 2024 7:23 pm

Reactions to trump victory:

(WE ARE SO BACK BABY)


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Postby Saiwana » Sun Nov 10, 2024 7:27 pm

Is there enough data out there yet that examines how each of the campaigns spent their money?
Kamala Harris' was something like $1 billion raise and ended at $20 million in debt. Donald Trump's was half that amount raised and finished on budget.

I want to find an itemized list of where the money went for each camp. The rumors are that Kamala Harris' campaign was one of the worst run in history. The top liberals who say it was "flawless" are in denial and perhaps will be rebuked in the coming month or by next year.
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Postby Rusozak » Sun Nov 10, 2024 7:27 pm

So uh lab here wrote:
Rusozak wrote:
I for one look forward to seeing Trump weaponize the Federal Government against Tesla, SpaceX, and Twitter when Elon inevitably loses favor for looking at him funny or something.

And risk all that backlash???

Not going to happen buddy boy.


What backlash? Americans elected a convicted felon rapist. You can't stoop lower. Trump can literally punch a baby and become more popular. That's just how sick the social consciousness is right now. You think anyone would actually back Elon over him?
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Postby Comrade McCarthy » Sun Nov 10, 2024 7:27 pm

The Communist Party should've won. The election was stolen.
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Postby Dimetrodon Empire » Sun Nov 10, 2024 7:27 pm

Adamede wrote:
Dimetrodon Empire wrote:I suspect they do have plans to try to bypass that.

Though at that point (if successful), Trump would probably get new terms no matter what, with elections becoming shams.

The only way they can "bypass" it is if they remove the amendment.

Well, Trump failing to put his businesses in a blind Trust during his first term violated the Emoluments Clause of the Constitution.

Courts have even ruled as such but nothing ever came of it.

The Constitution never stopped him before.
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Postby Adamede » Sun Nov 10, 2024 7:30 pm

Dimetrodon Empire wrote:
Adamede wrote:The only way they can "bypass" it is if they remove the amendment.

Well, Trump failing to put his businesses in a blind Trust during his first term violated the Emoluments Clause of the Constitution.

Courts have even ruled as such but nothing ever came of it.

The Constitution never stopped him before.

And this would probably be one of the largest and most frank violations of the Constitution in modern American history. I just dont see it happening. Him just declaring himself dictator and declaring martial law and dissolving congress is frankly more likely.

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Postby Dimetrodon Empire » Sun Nov 10, 2024 7:31 pm

Adamede wrote:
Dimetrodon Empire wrote:Well, Trump failing to put his businesses in a blind Trust during his first term violated the Emoluments Clause of the Constitution.

Courts have even ruled as such but nothing ever came of it.

The Constitution never stopped him before.

And this would probably be one of the largest and most frank violations of the Constitution in modern American history. I just dont see it happening. Him just declaring himself dictator and declaring martial law and dissolving congress is frankly more likely.


There may actually be ways around it after all: https://cornerstonelaw.us/22nd-amendmen ... hink-says/

But yeah, I agree with your latter sentence.
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Postby Rusozak » Sun Nov 10, 2024 7:34 pm

Adamede wrote:
Dimetrodon Empire wrote:Well, Trump failing to put his businesses in a blind Trust during his first term violated the Emoluments Clause of the Constitution.

Courts have even ruled as such but nothing ever came of it.

The Constitution never stopped him before.

And this would probably be one of the largest and most frank violations of the Constitution in modern American history. I just dont see it happening. Him just declaring himself dictator and declaring martial law and dissolving congress is frankly more likely.


What's stopping him? He has control of all 3 branches of government AND the agencies that will enforce the rulings. The Constitution wasn't made the protect against a single person having that much power. The founders never thought a major party would willingly sign away their freedom to a dictator.
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Postby Dimetrodon Empire » Sun Nov 10, 2024 7:37 pm

Rusozak wrote:
Adamede wrote:And this would probably be one of the largest and most frank violations of the Constitution in modern American history. I just dont see it happening. Him just declaring himself dictator and declaring martial law and dissolving congress is frankly more likely.


What's stopping him? He has control of all 3 branches of government AND the agencies that will enforce the rulings. The Constitution wasn't made the protect against a single person having that much power. The founders never thought a major party would willingly sign away their freedom to a dictator.

You can also be president more than twice without violating the 22nd Amendment: https://cornerstonelaw.us/22nd-amendmen ... hink-says/

It bars being "elected" president more than twice, not any of the other avenues one might find themselves in that office.
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Postby Adamede » Sun Nov 10, 2024 7:40 pm

Rusozak wrote:
Adamede wrote:And this would probably be one of the largest and most frank violations of the Constitution in modern American history. I just dont see it happening. Him just declaring himself dictator and declaring martial law and dissolving congress is frankly more likely.


What's stopping him? He has control of all 3 branches of government AND the agencies that will enforce the rulings. The Constitution wasn't made the protect against a single person having that much power. The founders never thought a major party would willingly sign away their freedom to a dictator.

The courts arent entirely under his control, and I dont think the GOP is blindly loyal to him so much as theyre a bunch of grifters after their own success, but who would till consider that going to far. The Dems are also still a very relevant political force in this country and wouldn't let that happen without a fight. And most of all I actually dont expect many of the enforcement agencies and especially not the military to go along with something like that.

That and it would start a civil war. We're not at 1933 yet, and even if we were this isn't Weimar Germany either. But hey maybe I'm wrong, Im nowhere near as smart as I like to think I am and hey, my faith in my fellow country men is at an all time low.

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Postby Dimetrodon Empire » Sun Nov 10, 2024 7:59 pm

Adamede wrote:We're not at 1933 yet

I don't think we are either, but rather, the barrier between our current state and that is much weaker than people like to think.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Nov 10, 2024 7:59 pm

Kerwa wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
Christ, I hope not.

The good thing is that Trump is blindly transactional, so I wouldn't be surprised if he drops RFK from his circle in the next few weeks or months. But we'll see.


I live not far from the Bronx River in lower Westchester, RFK has done an amazing job for the environment here. I understand he comes off as a loon sometimes, but he actually does good things that really help people.

Eighty three people died in a measles outbreak in Samoa when he convinced the government to end their vaccination program.
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Postby Almighty Biden » Sun Nov 10, 2024 8:02 pm

Jim Folsom wrote:Any ideas where he'll put vivek?

In the janitors closet.
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Postby Dimetrodon Empire » Sun Nov 10, 2024 8:03 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Kerwa wrote:
I live not far from the Bronx River in lower Westchester, RFK has done an amazing job for the environment here. I understand he comes off as a loon sometimes, but he actually does good things that really help people.

Eighty three people died in a measles outbreak in Samoa when he convinced the government to end their vaccination program.

I don't think he is a fan of pasteurized milk either.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Sun Nov 10, 2024 8:05 pm

So uh lab here wrote:
Benuty wrote:God help us.

I bet trump's getting assassinated


Please no.

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Postby Dimetrodon Empire » Sun Nov 10, 2024 8:07 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
So uh lab here wrote:I bet trump's getting assassinated


Please no.


If those who try to assassinate him are just as incompetent as the last two who tried to do it, I think he is pretty safe.

Especially with the Secret Service on alert now.
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Postby Bombadil » Sun Nov 10, 2024 8:07 pm

Adamede wrote:
Rusozak wrote:
What's stopping him? He has control of all 3 branches of government AND the agencies that will enforce the rulings. The Constitution wasn't made the protect against a single person having that much power. The founders never thought a major party would willingly sign away their freedom to a dictator.

The courts arent entirely under his control, and I dont think the GOP is blindly loyal to him so much as theyre a bunch of grifters after their own success, but who would till consider that going to far. The Dems are also still a very relevant political force in this country and wouldn't let that happen without a fight. And most of all I actually dont expect many of the enforcement agencies and especially not the military to go along with something like that.

That and it would start a civil war. We're not at 1933 yet, and even if we were this isn't Weimar Germany either. But hey maybe I'm wrong, Im nowhere near as smart as I like to think I am and hey, my faith in my fellow country men is at an all time low.


I think the thing is, Trump will do everything in his power to ensure that when and if he steps down he won't be subject to the large array of legal cases he remains subject to.

Let's remember, Russia still has elections, Putin stepped down after his first two terms and stuck Medvedev in before going 'fuck this, I want ALL the power'.

And he did it by getting the oligarchs on his side, thereby owning the media and the economy while holding them on a string if they ever dared to go against him. Then you just need to prosecute anyone who speaks against you while controlling the narrative as to who they are. The first institution Trump will clean out and replace with people who will do his bidding is the DOJ.

It's not to say that Trump has to be some evil genocidal maniac, just enough to say his priority is to protect himself, and that by itself leads to actions that protect him through screwing the system enough that he never loses, or he has puppets in place, that he is immune from punishment.
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Postby Almighty Biden » Sun Nov 10, 2024 8:12 pm

Dimetrodon Empire wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Please no.


If those who try to assassinate him are just as incompetent as the last two who tried to do it, I think he is pretty safe.

Especially with the Secret Service on alert now.

I swear that guy has invincible plot armor or something.
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Postby GMS Greater Miami Shores 1 » Sun Nov 10, 2024 8:13 pm

Adamede wrote:
Dimetrodon Empire wrote:Well, Trump failing to put his businesses in a blind Trust during his first term violated the Emoluments Clause of the Constitution.

Courts have even ruled as such but nothing ever came of it.

The Constitution never stopped him before.

And this would probably be one of the largest and most frank violations of the Constitution in modern American history. I just dont see it happening. Him just declaring himself dictator and declaring martial law and dissolving congress is frankly more likely.

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Postby New haven america » Sun Nov 10, 2024 8:14 pm

i denounce pride and honour
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Postby GMS Greater Miami Shores 1 » Sun Nov 10, 2024 8:16 pm

New haven america wrote:i denounce pride and honour

I say you don't denounce Pride and Honor. Honour. I Say you have Pride and Honor. Honour.
GMS: I am a Political Junkie and Political Expert on NS and discord.With my real world nations regional nations, with real world statistics as much as possible, with Pics of their real world leaders, I read, learn and follow. What have I GMS been doing on NS for over 13 Years since the old co UK forum days and NS 2. Posting my and our Pro Republican Facts with Personal respect to those who think differently. Hardly ever on and off NS and discord, a Person says to the other Person, I am wrong and you are right, my Bad. These are Facts. Republican Presidents Ronald Reagan original Make America Great Again President and President Trump are the Greatest American Presidents of the USA. According to me and my Friend Historian Carlos Lumpuy. of French Cuban American descent.With Pride and Honor.

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Postby Almighty Biden » Sun Nov 10, 2024 8:17 pm

GMS Greater Miami Shores 1 wrote:
New haven america wrote:i denounce pride and honour

I say you don't denounce Pride and Honor. Honour. I Say you have Pride and Honor. Honour.

Ooo. With a "u". Fancy.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Sun Nov 10, 2024 8:21 pm

New haven america wrote:i denounce pride and honour


I denounce Trumpism.

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