The Problem about [Radical] Islam (especially to Turks)

[Adamede]

As soon as they recognize the Armenian genocide and cease denial.

We will never submit to the plans to kick Turks from Anatolia. We will never believe your lies.

Hoş gelişler ola, kahraman Enver Paşa
Bir emir ver orduna, Kafkas Dağı'nı aşa

Arş arş arş, ileri ileri
Dönmez geri, Türk'ün askeri
Sağdan sola, soldan sağa
Al da bayrağı düşman üstüne

BTW I updated the OP.

This is your brain on Turkish nationalism. Just say no!

[Rusozak]

We will never submit to the plans to kick Turks from Anatolia. We will never believe your lies.

Hoş gelişler ola, kahraman Enver Paşa
Bir emir ver orduna, Kafkas Dağı'nı aşa

Arş arş arş, ileri ileri
Dönmez geri, Türk'ün askeri
Sağdan sola, soldan sağa
Al da bayrağı düşman üstüne

BTW I updated the OP.

This is your brain on Turkish nationalism. Just say no!

Which is funny particularly in this case because Anatolia has a long history of changing hands and natives being driven out by conquerors. And Turks being dominant in the peninsula is a relatively recent development.... when they invaded and drove out the natives. If we want to get technical about it and exclude anyone who settled the region after initial human habitation, Anatolia really belongs to... the Hatti?

[Green Lodge]

Bashing governments that empower any religion is objectively the correct action to do. For me, it has nothing to do with what specific religion; however, if it's Islam being empowered by governments the most, expect Islam to receive the greatest magnitude of ruthless criticism!

I cannot take you seriously, as you have no problem with state-sponsored Marxism.

[Adamede]

Bashing governments that empower any religion is objectively the correct action to do. For me, it has nothing to do with what specific religion; however, if it's Islam being empowered by governments the most, expect Islam to receive the greatest magnitude of ruthless criticism!

I cannot take you seriously, as you have no problem with state-sponsored Marxism.

I’m no fan of Marxism but they’re right. State sponsored religion is a cancer that only harms people.

[Green Lodge]

I cannot take you seriously, as you have no problem with state-sponsored Marxism.

I’m no fan of Marxism but they’re right. State sponsored religion is a cancer that only harms people.

You have two crosses on your flag...

[Island of Manx]

I’m no fan of Marxism but they’re right. State sponsored religion is a cancer that only harms people.

You have two crosses on your flag...

Flags don't mean anything.

I'm far more religious than Adamede, for example.

[Adamede]

I’m no fan of Marxism but they’re right. State sponsored religion is a cancer that only harms people.

You have two crosses on your flag...

This nation that I’m playing as is a theocratic hellhole that makes most 3rd world nations look rich and well run.

I don’t support theocracies. I’m not even religious.

[Green Lodge]

You have two crosses on your flag...

This nation that I’m playing as is a theocratic hellhole that makes most 3rd world nations look rich and well run.

I don’t support theocracies. I’m not even religious.

Oh, I see.

Ad hominem aside, freedom of conscience can also exist in the context of a confessional state, as in England, Denmark or Greece. Confessional states slow down the natural moral relaxation that comes with wealth and technological progress. The most I can concede is that the English confessional state is obsolete because a significant percentage of the English people are godless.

[Adamede]

This nation that I’m playing as is a theocratic hellhole that makes most 3rd world nations look rich and well run.

I don’t support theocracies. I’m not even religious.

Oh, I see.

Ad hominem aside,

I don’t think you even know what that is.

freedom of conscience can also exist in the context of a confessional state, as in England, Denmark or Greece. Confessional states slow down the natural moral relaxation that comes with wealth and technological progress.

They literally executed people in the most brutal methods possible for being of the wrong denomination. That’s not even close to being moral. Nor is that freedom of conscience either.

The most I can concede is that the English confessional state is obsolete because a significant percentage of the English people are godless.

Buddy most people don’t want to live in a theocracy. If you want that there’s plenty of authoritarian shit holes like Saudi Arabia to move to.

[Life empire]

Brother you're angry, maybe you need to go to the mosque and talk to the imam for guidance.

They're a 'right-wing atheist'...aka a major oxymoron (they're as conservative as a Marxist-Leninist). They're pretty much mentally insane.

not an oxymoron, atheism is the lack of a belief in god or religion, being right-wing is more or less just supporting a free market, not just is it not an oxymoron, the only relation between the two is that there is a correlation in believing them, being right-wing doesn't require religion and being atheist doesn't require being left-wing, your comment is the worst case of the package deal fallacy ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Package-d ... 0value.%22 ) I think I have ever seen, additionally even if your statement didn't rely on the package deal fallacy, it is nothing more than ad hominem (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem) which really doesn't prove anything other than that you're getting emotional over this topic, I'll also add that I am also a right-wing atheist

[Syndicasia]

I cannot take you seriously, as you have no problem with state-sponsored Marxism.

I'm a communist and I am merely recognizing that one progressive aspect of liberalism for the time was its separation between church and state, as well as the numerous anti-clerical bourgeois revolutions such as the Jacobins. I take the position outlined by Bukharin in ABC of Communism.

Also, define "State Sponsored Marxism"

[United Greater Seljuk State]

Not a huge fan of Turkey. If they can topple Erdogan, embrace democracy, reject radical Islam, stop hating on Israel and stop committing genocide against the Kurds and Armenians, then maybe my opinion of Turkey will improve. Until then, it's just another racist Muslim country ruled by an Islamofascist dictator.

Finally.

But don't expect us to combat RADICAL Islam via «criticizing» it by burning Kur'an. Yes, we will close down ANY cults and religious organizations (aka tarikat/lar), and also crack down on religious p3d0ph1l1a and discrimination against women/LGBTQ/Non-Muslims. BTW I have agnostic and atheist friends from school and they face ZERO discrimination/conversion attempts here.

Onto the topic of Kurds and Armenians... For Kurds, yes, we may have commited bad things but because t3rr0r1st PKK g3noc1ded more than 40k Turks, including children and women teachers (they weren't even covered with hijab, imagine killing Turkish women while shouting «women rights»). We will grant them their right to speak Kurdish (and political representation) but only when they reject the terrorist Ocalan and PKK/YPG.

For Armenians... Apart from 1915 relocation events (I'm not ignoring the fact that innocent Armenians died), they claim our brother's (Azerbaijan) land (Karabagh) and our land (Eastern Anatolia). Maybe when they demolish their memorials to literal Nazi collaboraters and Dashnak/ASALA terrorists, we will try to reconcile. But please no «genocide». We would never do that bad things, and why do you need to tarnish our historical reputation and make a Turkophobic generation from the Turkish youth? (The «ending denial» and «making a collective guilt amongst the [s*bhuman barbarian proto-Nazi Mongoloid Quasi-Arabs] Turks [whose favourite free-time activity is genociding and killing, they genocided the poor genocide so hard that no-one can commit genocides now]» thing)

[Nu Elysium]

For Armenians... Apart from 1915 relocation events (I'm not ignoring the fact that innocent Armenians died), they claim our brother's (Azerbaijan) land (Karabagh) and our land (Eastern Anatolia). Maybe when they demolish their memorials to literal Nazi collaboraters and Dashnak/ASALA terrorists, we will try to reconcile. But please no «genocide». We would never do that bad things, and why do you need to tarnish our historical reputation and make a Turkophobic generation from the Turkish youth? (The «ending denial» and «making a collective guilt amongst the [s*bhuman barbarian proto-Nazi Mongoloid Quasi-Arabs] Turks [whose favourite free-time activity is genociding and killing, they genocided the poor genocide so hard that no-one can commit genocides now]» thing)

[Liberal Malaysia]

Bashing governments that empower any religion is objectively the correct action to do. For me, it has nothing to do with what specific religion; however, if it's Islam being empowered by governments the most, expect Islam to receive the greatest magnitude of ruthless criticism!

As an anti-communist, I completely agree.

[Kreigsreich of Iron]

Europe’s HDI and IHDI are both higher than the Middle East’s. And Turkey is a member of NATO, so the fact that we don’t accept them is a total lie

But Europeans are more racist than we are

I think that the assumption that a certain group of people are racist simply because of where they were born speaks for itself.

[El Lazaro]

But Europeans are more racist than we are

I think that the assumption that a certain group of people are racist simply because of were they were born speaks for itself.

*where

[Liberal Malaysia]

Is Turkey a developed or a developing country? Or maybe some sort of Second World hybrid? I don't know where to draw the line exactly.

[Kreigsreich of Iron]

It is a death cult. Ignoring its faith in some rando in the sky ready to give 77 virgins with some pretty disturbing subtexts here, the fact it’s behind mass terrorist activities (something no “mainstream” religion in history has had) is proof alone of this.

-Crusades
A plain old war with religious trappings.

-Catholics burning Protestants
Regrettable, but Catholics have moved past that. Muslims haven’t.
-Protestants burning Catholics
See above.
-Inquisition in general
Also above.
Did Muslims do this?
The most common victim of "Muslim" terrorists attacks are... Muslims.
Ah, so Muslims themselves recognize that they’re a death cult?

Just because a football player did something bad, does that invalidate the team itself?
No, but if the team’s headlines are exclusively bad things, then enough is enough.
Also, we get 4 and a half times more media coverage.
For terrorism.
72 virgins is in a hadith i.e not an objective part of Islam.
Orthodox theologians say otherwise.
It's a quote. Not in the Quran. If it makes no coherent sense, it's probably not true.
Thank you for agreeing with me that there is no God.
72 virgins- debatable- and this isn't promised for terror attackers, it's promised for those who die DEFENDING islam.
MY research indicates that it’s actually for all Muslims.
You don't say that Crusaders were terrorists (though you should)
They weren’t. They were the soldiers of a sovereign nation in a state of war with another.

[United Greater Seljuk State]

Bashing governments that empower any religion is objectively the correct action to do. For me, it has nothing to do with what specific religion; however, if it's Islam being empowered by governments the most, expect Islam to receive the greatest magnitude of ruthless criticism!

As an anti-communist, I completely agree.

How the f*ck it has to do something to do with communism?

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For Armenians... Apart from 1915 relocation events (I'm not ignoring the fact that innocent Armenians died), they claim our brother's (Azerbaijan) land (Karabagh) and our land (Eastern Anatolia). Maybe when they demolish their memorials to literal Nazi collaboraters and Dashnak/ASALA terrorists, we will try to reconcile. But please no «genocide». We would never do that bad things, and why do you need to tarnish our historical reputation and make a Turkophobic generation from the Turkish youth? (The «ending denial» and «making a collective guilt amongst the [s*bhuman barbarian proto-Nazi Mongoloid Quasi-Arabs] Turks [whose favourite free-time activity is genociding and killing, they genocided the poor genocide so hard that no-one can commit genocides now]» thing)

what consuming r/armenia, r/europe and r/kurdistan content 1915 hours a day does to a mf

[Kaumudeen]

Islam is really cool and epic.

[Western European Khilafat]

-Crusades
A plain old war with religious trappings.

-Catholics burning Protestants
Regrettable, but Catholics have moved past that. Muslims haven’t.
-Protestants burning Catholics
See above.
-Inquisition in general
Also above.
Did Muslims do this?
The most common victim of "Muslim" terrorists attacks are... Muslims.
Ah, so Muslims themselves recognize that they’re a death cult?

Just because a football player did something bad, does that invalidate the team itself?
No, but if the team’s headlines are exclusively bad things, then enough is enough.
Also, we get 4 and a half times more media coverage.
For terrorism.
72 virgins is in a hadith i.e not an objective part of Islam.
Orthodox theologians say otherwise.
It's a quote. Not in the Quran. If it makes no coherent sense, it's probably not true.
Thank you for agreeing with me that there is no God.
72 virgins- debatable- and this isn't promised for terror attackers, it's promised for those who die DEFENDING islam.
MY research indicates that it’s actually for all Muslims.
You don't say that Crusaders were terrorists (though you should)
They weren’t. They were the soldiers of a sovereign nation in a state of war with another.

Why do you not see double I double S as a military group with religious trappings?

They weren’t. They were the soldiers of a sovereign nation in a state of war with another.

They used fear and violence for a certain goal.

[Western European Khilafat]

exclusively bad things,

Do you us the number 0?

[Kreigsreich of Iron]

Why do you not see double I double S as a military group with religious trappings?
I legitimately do not understand you here.

They weren’t. They were the soldiers of a sovereign nation in a state of war with another.

They used fear and violence for a certain goal.
As does every other soldier ever.

[Western European Khilafat]

Why do you not see double I double S as a military group with religious trappings?
I legitimately do not understand you here.

They used fear and violence for a certain goal.
As does every other soldier ever.

SO why not call ISIS (what I meant) soldiers instead of "WaAaA Terroristts!!!!!"

[Kreigsreich of Iron]

SO why not call ISIS (what I meant) soldiers instead of "WaAaA Terroristts!!!!!"

Because…they’re not a sovereign state?