The Problem about [Radical] Islam (especially to Turks)

[Kaldon]

I just love sitting here with my popcorn, watching the world burn. Keep talking about how the evil racist Muslims want to kill all the good, handsome people of the western world. Keep talking.

My brother in christ i think that sentence is racist

My brother in christ, that was the point

[El Lazaro]

But Europeans are more racist than we are

No were not. Muslims (those who have integreted and isnt radical) are well-regarded

Yes, you are. Even “liberal” Europeans hate refugees, Roma/Gypsies, and sometimes other white people. Racist as he is, Trump didn’t kick Mexico out of NAFTA, whereas Turkey will never accede to the EU because they are slightly darker than Greeks and adhere to a different religion despite being far more secular than the rest of the Middle East.

[Kaldon]

No were not. Muslims (those who have integreted and isnt radical) are well-regarded

Yes, you are. Even “liberal” Europeans hate refugees, Roma/Gypsies, and sometimes other white people. Racist as he is, Trump didn’t kick Mexico out of NAFTA, whereas Turkey will never accede to the EU because they are slightly darker than Greeks and adhere to a different religion despite being far more secular than the rest of the Middle East.

Bro what the goddamn hell are you talking about. Last I checked I don’t hate any of those groups lmfao. Furthermore, that’s not the reason Turkey can’t accede, they can’t accede because of dozens of human rights violations and being undemocratic, not to mention there are conflicting interests regarding them. Same reason why lots of people don’t want Hungary in it.

[El Lazaro]

My brother in Christ, you do not adhere to anything, you change religions on a weekly basis.

you are not inaccurate in calling me brother in christ, i have been going to orthodox church for almost 4 monthes.

i have been a catachumen for about 3

i will probably be baptized on christmas

you my friend have been played... its like nikocado avocado or whatever, two steps ahead...

No… that’s not true… that’s impossible.


If there is one true church, it’s almost certainly the RCC and not some schismatics, but that’s neither here nor there.

[El Lazaro]

Yes, you are. Even “liberal” Europeans hate refugees, Roma/Gypsies, and sometimes other white people. Racist as he is, Trump didn’t kick Mexico out of NAFTA, whereas Turkey will never accede to the EU because they are slightly darker than Greeks and adhere to a different religion despite being far more secular than the rest of the Middle East.

Bro what the goddamn hell are you talking about. Last I checked I don’t hate any of those groups lmfao. Furthermore, that’s not the reason Turkey can’t accede, they can’t accede because of dozens of human rights violations and being undemocratic, not to mention there are conflicting interests regarding them. Same reason why lots of people don’t want Hungary in it.

More proof. Just because Hungarians are Asian doesn’t mean they can’t be in the EU. Also, Germany claims to be a democracy, yet it deports brown people if they don’t pledge allegiance to Israel. You have been hoisted upon your own petard, European.

[Bienenhalde]

No were not. Muslims (those who have integreted and isnt radical) are well-regarded

Yes, you are. Even “liberal” Europeans hate refugees, Roma/Gypsies, and sometimes other white people. Racist as he is, Trump didn’t kick Mexico out of NAFTA, whereas Turkey will never accede to the EU because they are slightly darker than Greeks and adhere to a different religion despite being far more secular than the rest of the Middle East.

I think the main reason Turkey cannot get in to the EU is corruption, human rights violations, and especially persecution of ethnic and religious minorities. Even if racism is a problem in Europe, the whole thing about Turkey joining the EU isn't really the best example.

[El Lazaro]

Yes, you are. Even “liberal” Europeans hate refugees, Roma/Gypsies, and sometimes other white people. Racist as he is, Trump didn’t kick Mexico out of NAFTA, whereas Turkey will never accede to the EU because they are slightly darker than Greeks and adhere to a different religion despite being far more secular than the rest of the Middle East.

I think the main reason Turkey cannot get in to the EU is corruption, human rights violations, and especially persecution of ethnic and religious minorities. Even if racism is a problem in Europe, the whole thing about Turkey joining the EU isn't really the best example.

You just hate Turkey

Shhhh, I was having fun

[Perishna]

No were not. Muslims (those who have integreted and isnt radical) are well-regarded

Yes, you are. Even “liberal” Europeans hate refugees, Roma/Gypsies, and sometimes other white people. Racist as he is, Trump didn’t kick Mexico out of NAFTA, whereas Turkey will never accede to the EU because they are slightly darker than Greeks and adhere to a different religion despite being far more secular than the rest of the Middle East.

There are mant different people in Europe, so dont overgenerelise us. It might be true for the older populations, but the majority isnt like that. And Ive been to Turkey, they are pretty damn white if you ask me, and race isnt the reason. EU doesnt want them for several reasons including this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copenhagen_criteria

[Bilancorn]

Yes, you are. Even “liberal” Europeans hate refugees, Roma/Gypsies, and sometimes other white people. Racist as he is, Trump didn’t kick Mexico out of NAFTA, whereas Turkey will never accede to the EU because they are slightly darker than Greeks and adhere to a different religion despite being far more secular than the rest of the Middle East.

I think the main reason Turkey cannot get in to the EU is corruption, human rights violations, and especially persecution of ethnic and religious minorities. Even if racism is a problem in Europe, the whole thing about Turkey joining the EU isn't really the best example.

I agree with this, even though I still think that turjey should be indeed able to join the EU in the future

[Kaumudeen]

Why are you two so desperate to be European? They will never accept us no matter how much we westernize.

Europe’s HDI and IHDI are both higher than the Middle East’s. And Turkey is a member of NATO, so the fact that we don’t accept them is a total lie

Turkey is consistently portrayed as the other with European discourse, the underlying reason why a large percentage of Europeans opposed Turkey's acession to the EU was based on racial animosity to Turks. And before you say "oh it was because of human rights, corruption, lack of regulations etc" Romania, Bulgaria, Cyprus, Poland and many other eastern european countries were in similar or worse positions than Turkey when it came to those things but still were allowed to join.

All religions used to have bad practices, although a lot of them have reformed, but Islam has not. The doesn't mean you can justify being islamophobic, though

Some would argue that in the long term the Reformation was bad for Christianity.

[Kaldon]

Bro what the goddamn hell are you talking about. Last I checked I don’t hate any of those groups lmfao. Furthermore, that’s not the reason Turkey can’t accede, they can’t accede because of dozens of human rights violations and being undemocratic, not to mention there are conflicting interests regarding them. Same reason why lots of people don’t want Hungary in it.

More proof. Just because Hungarians are Asian doesn’t mean they can’t be in the EU. Also, Germany claims to be a democracy, yet it deports brown people if they don’t pledge allegiance to Israel. You have been hoisted upon your own petard, European.

Hungarians aren't Asian. Hungary is not in Asia. They haven't been Asian since they migrated centuries ago. By your definition, we are all African.

Huh??? I have no idea what you are on about.

[Kaumudeen]

Yes, you are. Even “liberal” Europeans hate refugees, Roma/Gypsies, and sometimes other white people. Racist as he is, Trump didn’t kick Mexico out of NAFTA, whereas Turkey will never accede to the EU because they are slightly darker than Greeks and adhere to a different religion despite being far more secular than the rest of the Middle East.

Bro what the goddamn hell are you talking about. Last I checked I don’t hate any of those groups lmfao. Furthermore, that’s not the reason Turkey can’t accede, they can’t accede because of dozens of human rights violations and being undemocratic, not to mention there are conflicting interests regarding them. Same reason why lots of people don’t want Hungary in it.

Again many Eastern European countries were let into the EU despite having similar or worse levels of corruption, human rights violations, and authoritarianism as Turkey. A lot of the opposition in popular European discourse against Turkey joining the EU was inherently race-based.

[Bilancorn]

Bro what the goddamn hell are you talking about. Last I checked I don’t hate any of those groups lmfao. Furthermore, that’s not the reason Turkey can’t accede, they can’t accede because of dozens of human rights violations and being undemocratic, not to mention there are conflicting interests regarding them. Same reason why lots of people don’t want Hungary in it.

Again many Eastern European countries were let into the EU despite having similar or worse levels of corruption, human rights violations, and authoritarianism as Turkey. A lot of the opposition in popular European discourse against Turkey joining the EU was inherently race-based.

Well, Turkey is a far bit more Authoritarian than any other EU country, expecially after the failed coup: https://freedomhouse.org/explore-the-ma ... &year=2024

That said, I think that Turkey should be able to join the EU as it share European history and its essentially the bridge between Asia and Europe

[Kaumudeen]

Again many Eastern European countries were let into the EU despite having similar or worse levels of corruption, human rights violations, and authoritarianism as Turkey. A lot of the opposition in popular European discourse against Turkey joining the EU was inherently race-based.

Well, Turkey is a far bit more Authoritarian than any other EU country, expecially after the failed coup: https://freedomhouse.org/explore-the-ma ... &year=2024

Since those Eastern European countries joined they generally democratized, prior to that they were either at a similar or worse level of democratization as Turkey.

[Trump Almighty]

Again many Eastern European countries were let into the EU despite having similar or worse levels of corruption, human rights violations, and authoritarianism as Turkey. A lot of the opposition in popular European discourse against Turkey joining the EU was inherently race-based.

Well, Turkey is a far bit more Authoritarian than any other EU country, expecially after the failed coup: https://freedomhouse.org/explore-the-ma ... &year=2024

That said, I think that Turkey should be able to join the EU as it share European history and its essentially the bridge between Asia and Europe

I believe Russia should join the EU for similar reasons. Similarly to Turkey, Russia transcends both Europe and Asia, and would help Europe achieve a far better position on the global stage with increased access to oil

[Bilancorn]

Well, Turkey is a far bit more Authoritarian than any other EU country, expecially after the failed coup: https://freedomhouse.org/explore-the-ma ... &year=2024

That said, I think that Turkey should be able to join the EU as it share European history and its essentially the bridge between Asia and Europe

I believe Russia should join the EU for similar reasons. Similarly to Turkey, Russia transcends both Europe and Asia, and would help Europe achieve a far better position on the global stage with increased access to oil

Yeah I agree, its historically europe, same goes for Belarus. I am against it only for the current political system of both countries, though.

[Trump Almighty]

I believe Russia should join the EU for similar reasons. Similarly to Turkey, Russia transcends both Europe and Asia, and would help Europe achieve a far better position on the global stage with increased access to oil

Yeah I agree, its historically europe, same goes for Belarus. I am against it only for the current political system of both countries, though.

The Republic of Belarus and the Russian Federation are both representative democracies which hold elections every five and six years respectively, similar to the democracies in America and the EU. I don’t see the current political system being a turn-off

[Bilancorn]

Yeah I agree, its historically europe, same goes for Belarus. I am against it only for the current political system of both countries, though.

The Republic of Belarus and the Russian Federation are both representative democracies which hold elections every five and six years respectively, similar to the democracies in America and the EU. I don’t see the current political system being a turn-off

eh, I mean, the current situation with Ukraine and with Russian repression of dissents (since there is literally only 1 party that actually rule), as well as their strong ties with China, makes that impossible considering the current EU rules. It should have been done, expecially for Russia, 20 years ago when Putin was not a close allie of China.
Also, the "president" of Belarus literally released an interview where he said "yeah I'm a dictator".

[Islamic Salvation Front]

Again many Eastern European countries were let into the EU despite having similar or worse levels of corruption, human rights violations, and authoritarianism as Turkey. A lot of the opposition in popular European discourse against Turkey joining the EU was inherently race-based.

Well, Turkey is a far bit more Authoritarian than any other EU country, expecially after the failed coup: https://freedomhouse.org/explore-the-ma ... &year=2024

That said, I think that Turkey should be able to join the EU as it share European history and its essentially the bridge between Asia and Europe

Generally Turks Would Pretty Easily Integrate into most European Societies, I've Lived Extensively in Ankara and it isn't Especially Conservative, Though A significant Portion of Turks are Religious despite what Others Say, Kemalists are Mostly a Minority too.

However I Don't know the Full picture as Strangely enough I haven't visited Istanbul which would be more Liberal and less Religious then Ankara, But Generally Speaking Turkey is about as Conservative as most Eastern European Or Balkan Countries.

[Bilancorn]

Well, Turkey is a far bit more Authoritarian than any other EU country, expecially after the failed coup: https://freedomhouse.org/explore-the-ma ... &year=2024

That said, I think that Turkey should be able to join the EU as it share European history and its essentially the bridge between Asia and Europe

Generally Turks Would Pretty Easily Integrate into most European Societies, I've Lived Extensively in Ankara and it isn't Especially Conservative, Though A significant Portion of Turks are Religious despite what Others Say, Kemalists are Mostly a Minority too.

However I Don't know the Full picture as Strangely enough I haven't visited Istanbul which would be more Liberal and less Religious then Ankara, But Generally Speaking Turkey is about as Conservative as most Eastern European Or Balkan Countries.

Indeed... I've never visited Turkey myself, my parents did that more or less 30 years ago and they told me it was a double reality, mixed between religiousness and (soft) secularism. Apart from that, it should also be noted that many turks already live in EU, expecially Germany, and are relatively well integrated... all these reasons are the main factors for which I say they should be allowed in the EU.

[Island of Manx]

Is this another one of those "Turks who think Turkish politics is relevant to anyone else" sort of threads?

[Island of Manx]

Generally Turks Would Pretty Easily Integrate into most European Societies, I've Lived Extensively in Ankara and it isn't Especially Conservative, Though A significant Portion of Turks are Religious despite what Others Say, Kemalists are Mostly a Minority too.

However I Don't know the Full picture as Strangely enough I haven't visited Istanbul which would be more Liberal and less Religious then Ankara, But Generally Speaking Turkey is about as Conservative as most Eastern European Or Balkan Countries.

Indeed... I've never visited Turkey myself, my parents did that more or less 30 years ago and they told me it was a double reality, mixed between religiousness and (soft) secularism. Apart from that, it should also be noted that many turks already live in EU, expecially Germany, and are relatively well integrated... all these reasons are the main factors for which I say they should be allowed in the EU.

As soon as they recognize the Armenian genocide and cease denial.

[Island of Manx]

More proof. Just because Hungarians are Asian doesn’t mean they can’t be in the EU. Also, Germany claims to be a democracy, yet it deports brown people if they don’t pledge allegiance to Israel. You have been hoisted upon your own petard, European.

....Have you ever seen a Hungarian? They're not Asian.

Hell, they and Finns share a language group iirc.

[Island of Manx]

Do you have a problem with the rise of Christianity, which has also contributed to the persecution, enslavement and genocide of non-Christians beginning in the first or second century?

Source?

[El Lazaro]

More proof. Just because Hungarians are Asian doesn’t mean they can’t be in the EU. Also, Germany claims to be a democracy, yet it deports brown people if they don’t pledge allegiance to Israel. You have been hoisted upon your own petard, European.

....Have you ever seen a Hungarian? They're not Asian.

Hell, they and Finns share a language group iirc.

Finns are not just Asian, but a member of the great Turanic race. The Finno-Ugric branch is part of the larger Ural-Altaic language family.

/srs geographic, rather than linguistic, distance is generally a better predictor of the genetic similarity between two ethnic groups.