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What is true love?

Postby Absolute Narcissist » Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:27 am

I hear statements like these, "You will never experience true love". When people say to this me I reply with my own question, "What is true love"? For somebody telling anther, “You will never experience true love”, I expect a simple explanation to what this is which they say I will be unable to experience. I never get much of a simple explanation, most people seem to get confused and uncomfortable when I present them with this question, they have trouble explaining to me what true love is. Some sit there and stare into my eyes and say nothing and end conversation or change the topic, others will say it is “unconditional love”, others will go into long rant about this romantic view they have on what they call true love.

My observations of others show me that love is never unconditional, never everlasting, and based on lies. People put up images of themselves, that are either part or entirely made up of lies. They do this to make that person happy, in return so they can be happy. Is this love, true love, than everyone can experience this as long as they can lie. I think love is more cold than what most people try to picture love as, to protect themselves from a truth they may not like.

Even family love, possibility the closet thing to true love, society often seems to imply this love is suppose to be unconditional, isn’t unconditional but conditioned. Look around you, you will see so many broken families, I thought you are suppose to love your family members no matter what they do, say, act, families can’t be broken if unconditional was real and experienced by all normal people.

Maybe even a better question is unconditional something people should engage in or seek out? It is healthy and possible to love somebody with no conditions? From my observation these people set themselves up to suffer the most, their lives are much more likely to be far more tragic for themselves. I think most people also in a way lie to themselves and try to force themselves to love their family unconditionally, because of society and because they will feel awful about themselves, how can you not love a family remember, they will ask is there something wrong with me? Society sets them up to look at themselves and think there is something wrong with them, thus allowing them easily taken advantage of.

The way I see there is no such thing as true love that can be imply on all. Isn’t love about pleasure, a means to make yourself happy? It’s based on selfishness, its based on making yourself happy. People need to make the other happy in order to attain what they want, happiness for themselves. It’s a relationship of mutual benefit, body chemical reactions,and lies, nothing romantic special about it.

What do you think true love is by your own definition? Do you belief there is a such thing as unconditional love and is that true love? Can love even be universally defined?

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Postby Kayliea » Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:29 am

to love someone more than yourself. to want to act selflessly towards another person (e.g. by doing something nice for them and not caring whether they know it was you).
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Postby A-cacias » Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:34 am

True love. Is there any true way to define it without engaging in fluffy remarks or poetry? I don't know. But if there is an actual way to define the term 'true love', I suspect it is more of a personal definition than a standard one.
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Postby EvilDarkMagicians » Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:35 am

True love is when you would cut off your own balls and eat them for the person you love.

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Postby Tiesabre » Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:36 am

Honestly I wouldn't know true love if it bit me on the ass.
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Postby Soheran » Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:36 am

True love is fake.

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Postby Amisille » Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:37 am

EvilDarkMagicians wrote:True love is when you would cut off your own balls and eat them for the person you love.


Stay away from writing love poems :blink:

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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:39 am

I think this will help answer your question.
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Postby East Fancainia » Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:39 am

Nothing. Love is just a chemical, no matter the origin. We give it meaning by choice.

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Postby Birnadia » Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:40 am

East Fancainia wrote:Nothing. Love is just a chemical, no matter the origin. We give it meaning by choice.

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Postby Amisille » Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:41 am

East Fancainia wrote:Nothing. Love is just a chemical, no matter the origin. We give it meaning by choice.


Love is a chemical? What's the chemical formula for love?

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Postby East Fancainia » Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:44 am

Amisille wrote:
East Fancainia wrote:Nothing. Love is just a chemical, no matter the origin. We give it meaning by choice.


Love is a chemical? What's the chemical formula for love?

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:46 am

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Postby A-cacias » Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:46 am

East Fancainia wrote:
Amisille wrote:
East Fancainia wrote:Nothing. Love is just a chemical, no matter the origin. We give it meaning by choice.


Love is a chemical? What's the chemical formula for love?

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Gee, I don't know. On the one hand, you're right. Love produces chemical reactions in the body but, isn't it a bit much to call it 'nothing'? As you yourself said, it has meaning, the one we (meaning different people) give it. So no, it is not a nothing. Even a chemical reaction, to put it in the simplified terms you used, is not a nothing.
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Postby East Fancainia » Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:48 am

A-cacias wrote:
East Fancainia wrote:
Amisille wrote:
East Fancainia wrote:Nothing. Love is just a chemical, no matter the origin. We give it meaning by choice.


Love is a chemical? What's the chemical formula for love?

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Gee, I don't know. On the one hand, you're right. Love produces chemical reactions in the body but, isn't it a bit much to call it 'nothing'? As you yourself said, it has meaning, the one we (meaning different people) give it. So no, it is not a nothing. Even a chemical reaction, to put it in the simplified terms you used, is not a nothing.

It's metaphorical. Not literal. Love is given meaning by the person. There might be no such thing as 'love', but there can be a feeling of such.

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:49 am

East Fancainia wrote:It's metaphorical. Not literal. Love is given meaning by the person. There might be no such thing as 'love', but there can be a feeling of such.


If the feeling exists, then doesn't love exist?
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Postby United Marktoria » Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:50 am

You basically hit it right on. True Love is a fallacy. Of all the relationships I have observed, I have never seen a "perfect" relationship. I have had friends of mine tell me that the girl they are dating is "the one", and they want to spend their lives together. Interestingly, after they break up, it turns out that this person was never "the one". Love is so illogical, and can completely ruin someones life if they become to addicted to it. Most people believe that their relationship is "true love". It is kind of sad to know that one day, they will realize that this is not true. Long lasting relationships are not built on passion and love. They are built on compatibility and tolerance. Anywho, thats my 2 cents on love.
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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:50 am

Absolute Narcissist wrote:I hear statements like these, "You will never experience true love". When people say to this me I reply with my own question, "What is true love"? For somebody telling anther, “You will never experience true love”, I expect a simple explanation to what this is which they say I will be unable to experience. I never get much of a simple explanation, most people seem to get confused and uncomfortable when I present them with this question, they have trouble explaining to me what true love is. Some sit there and stare into my eyes and say nothing and end conversation or change the topic, others will say it is “unconditional love”, others will go into long rant about this romantic view they have on what they call true love.

My observations of others show me that love is never unconditional, never everlasting, and based on lies. People put up images of themselves, that are either part or entirely made up of lies. They do this to make that person happy, in return so they can be happy. Is this love, true love, than everyone can experience this as long as they can lie. I think love is more cold than what most people try to picture love as, to protect themselves from a truth they may not like.

Even family love, possibility the closet thing to true love, society often seems to imply this love is suppose to be unconditional, isn’t unconditional but conditioned. Look around you, you will see so many broken families, I thought you are suppose to love your family members no matter what they do, say, act, families can’t be broken if unconditional was real and experienced by all normal people.

The lack of the existence of the thing in some cases does not prove that it doesn't exist. What about the numerous families that aren't a broken mess? Just because not every planet has a moon doesn't mean ours doesn't.

Maybe even a better question is unconditional something people should engage in or seek out? It is healthy and possible to love somebody with no conditions?

I would firmly say the health of it depends on if they're a good person, which is to say I can't see how unconditional love is actually preferable. It certainly leaves you vulnerable, the key is to convince yourself that you are loving that person unconditionally so you feel as though you're truly and fully committed but to actually perhaps subconsciously have a set of lines which cannot be crossed.

From my observation these people set themselves up to suffer the most, their lives are much more likely to be far more tragic for themselves. I think most people also in a way lie to themselves and try to force themselves to love their family unconditionally, because of society and because they will feel awful about themselves, how can you not love a family remember, they will ask is there something wrong with me? Society sets them up to look at themselves and think there is something wrong with them, thus allowing them easily taken advantage of.

Perhaps, love is certain to bring suffering at times. Some times more than others...

As to the family thing... I dunno. I don't hate any of my close family.
The way I see there is no such thing as true love that can be imply on all. Isn’t love about pleasure, a means to make yourself happy? It’s based on selfishness, its based on making yourself happy. People need to make the other happy in order to attain what they want, happiness for themselves. It’s a relationship of mutual benefit, body chemical reactions,and lies, nothing romantic special about it.

It can be and it could not be. I would tend to agree that lies are necessary. I've tried the route of truth and things ended poorly. Although imo, that says more about me than it does about being truthful. Love can be romantic, but it doesn't always last.

What do you think true love is by your own definition? Do you belief there is a such thing as unconditional love and is that true love? Can love even be universally defined?

Its a feeling, feelings are hard to describe but I'd liken love to a madness nearly obsession with another person. A mix of devotion, admiration and need all directed towards them. True love... I suppose thats any love which isn't simply a crush. True love is based on actually knowing the person and loving who they are. Unconditional love would be at odds with this definition, indeed, its closer to a crush, despite the intensity of feeling.I don't think love can be universally defined- its a concept and one intimately entwined with the person who is describing it. I do however apply my definition to all that I observe and judge things accordingly.

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Postby Bottle » Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:51 am

I doubt there is such a thing as completely unconditional love, but even if there is I don't want any part of it.

I don't believe any particular form of love is "truer" than the others; there are different types of love, each true to its own type.
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Postby East Fancainia » Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:52 am

The Parkus Empire wrote:
East Fancainia wrote:It's metaphorical. Not literal. Love is given meaning by the person. There might be no such thing as 'love', but there can be a feeling of such.


If the feeling exists, then doesn't love exist?

Is there a feeling of god? Does that mean he's real? Same thing applies.

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Postby A-cacias » Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:52 am

East Fancainia wrote:
A-cacias wrote:
East Fancainia wrote:
Amisille wrote:
East Fancainia wrote:Nothing. Love is just a chemical, no matter the origin. We give it meaning by choice.


Love is a chemical? What's the chemical formula for love?

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Gee, I don't know. On the one hand, you're right. Love produces chemical reactions in the body but, isn't it a bit much to call it 'nothing'? As you yourself said, it has meaning, the one we (meaning different people) give it. So no, it is not a nothing. Even a chemical reaction, to put it in the simplified terms you used, is not a nothing.

It's metaphorical. Not literal. Love is given meaning by the person. There might be no such thing as 'love', but there can be a feeling of such.


So feelings are non existent, according to you?
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Postby East Fancainia » Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:54 am

A-cacias wrote:
East Fancainia wrote:
A-cacias wrote:
East Fancainia wrote:
Amisille wrote:
East Fancainia wrote:Nothing. Love is just a chemical, no matter the origin. We give it meaning by choice.


Love is a chemical? What's the chemical formula for love?

Made bold for the one who questions


Gee, I don't know. On the one hand, you're right. Love produces chemical reactions in the body but, isn't it a bit much to call it 'nothing'? As you yourself said, it has meaning, the one we (meaning different people) give it. So no, it is not a nothing. Even a chemical reaction, to put it in the simplified terms you used, is not a nothing.

It's metaphorical. Not literal. Love is given meaning by the person. There might be no such thing as 'love', but there can be a feeling of such.


So feelings are non existent, according to you?

Did you read what I said? It's metaphorical, and is given meaning by the person.

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:54 am

East Fancainia wrote:Is there a feeling of god? Does that mean he's real? Same thing applies.


God isn't an emotion, he's a purported super-sentient being.
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Postby Amisille » Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:55 am

East Fancainia wrote:Is there a feeling of god? Does that mean he's real? Same thing applies.


Not a correct comparison at all.

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Postby East Fancainia » Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:56 am

The Parkus Empire wrote:
East Fancainia wrote:Is there a feeling of god? Does that mean he's real? Same thing applies.


God isn't an emotion, he's a purported super-sentient being.

I am talking about the feeling of him being around you. In the same sense that one might feel love.

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