Ukrainian War VII: Advent's Offspring

[Lumiere du Premier]

another point here! Why west do not condemn ukraine for attacks on russian land? Occupying and destroying villages in kursk. Attacking russian oil and gas facilities. hitting ammo depo. Hypocrisy is astounding because west do not care about stopping imperialism or creating peace, it thrive in imperialism and war against good nations.

We don't 'condemn' Ukraine here.

We openly CONGRATULATE THEM on a fucking job well done defending themselves against Putin's fascism.

I disagree, I have my own reasons for this.

[Adamede]

Personal opinion:

I am personally glad to see that perhaps Russia will get a favorable settlement in the near future in a peace plan. Its very good, it sets the precedent nations can use force to take back what is rightfully theirs. Hopefully there is such a favorable peace plan.

So sad to see that it had to take this long though. 3 years, holy cow has it really been almost 3 years? Many nations in this world exist with unjust borders. China rightfully owns Taiwan, it is theirs, just in resistance. Now I hate commies a lot, I mean A LOT, damn do I hate them but it is their land.

Finally, the road towards a future where Arica may one day return to my glorious nation has begun paving.

If Ukraine rightfully belongs to Russia than Peru rightfully belongs to Spain.

[Paddy O Fernature]

another point here! Why west do not condemn ukraine for attacks on russian land? Occupying and destroying villages in kursk. Attacking russian oil and gas facilities. hitting ammo depo. Hypocrisy is astounding because west do not care about stopping imperialism or creating peace, it thrive in imperialism and war against good nations.

Because Russia attacked first.

Also, the West just generally doesn't like Russia.

I mean, for a few years on this site I openly advocated for deescalation between the US and Russia and thought of NATO as an outdated organization that no longer served a real purpose and should be disbanded.

Than along came Putin's antics and my tune quickly changed.

[Paddy O Fernature]

We don't 'condemn' Ukraine here.

We openly CONGRATULATE THEM on a fucking job well done defending themselves against Putin's fascism.

I disagree, I have my own reasons for this.

Oh I'm SURE you do...

[Adamede]

TBH, setting up a demilitarized zone backed solely by European soldiers would actually be a massive boom for the EU military expansion project and lead to a united Europe that isn't reliant on the US for defense seeing as how they've now have 1 common goal both progressives and nationalists can agree on, as well as weaken the authoritarians in Eastern Europe and Asia through the creation of a Tri-Axial middle ground between the US' BS and The East's BS.

Otoh, that would lead to Ukraine permanently losing 1/5 of its territory and potentially giving Russia time to rebuild its forces with the cooperation of China, NK, Iran, etc...

Putin would never agree to a DMZ or Ukraine jointing NATO or anything like that. The only peace he would agree to is own which would make Ukraine easier for future conquest.

[Tarsonis]

TBH, setting up a demilitarized zone backed solely by European soldiers would actually be a massive boom for the EU military expansion project and lead to a united Europe that isn't reliant on the US for defense seeing as how they've now have 1 common goal both progressives and nationalists can agree on, as well as weaken the authoritarians in Eastern Europe and Asia through the creation of a Tri-Axial middle ground between the US' BS and The East's BS.

Otoh, that would lead to Ukraine permanently losing 1/5 of its territory and potentially give Russia time to rebuild its forces with the cooperation of China, NK, Iran, etc...

Ukraine is not losing territory it wasnt theirs. In fact Ukraine is still occupying legally recognisable Russian land. https://www.rt.com/russia/563762-putin- ... ependence/

Zaporozhye, Kherson and remainder of donbass are legally russian now yet ukraine still occupies much of this land.

I feel sorry for Putin and his government. To deal with neighbour so frustrating and ungrateful to russian generosity and still refuse to accept peace must be exhasting.

"Ukraine is fighting for land we've rightfully stolen!"

[Lumiere du Premier]

Personal opinion:

I am personally glad to see that perhaps Russia will get a favorable settlement in the near future in a peace plan. Its very good, it sets the precedent nations can use force to take back what is rightfully theirs. Hopefully there is such a favorable peace plan.

So sad to see that it had to take this long though. 3 years, holy cow has it really been almost 3 years? Many nations in this world exist with unjust borders. China rightfully owns Taiwan, it is theirs, just in resistance. Now I hate commies a lot, I mean A LOT, damn do I hate them but it is their land.

Finally, the road towards a future where Arica may one day return to my glorious nation has begun paving.

If Ukraine rightfully belongs to Russia than Peru rightfully belongs to Spain.

Ah I figured you might say that. Thats not how I see it lol. What is now Peru was independent as the Inca Empire before the Spanish took over and turned it into Peru

[Washington Resistance Army]

Because Russia attacked first.

Also, the West just generally doesn't like Russia.

I mean, for a few years on this site I openly advocated for deescalation between the US and Russia and thought of NATO as an outdated organization that no longer served a real purpose and should be disbanded.

Than along came Putin's antics and my tune quickly changed.

This had genuinely become a mainstream position across the west, and Putin almost singlehandedly undid it. It's genuinely astounding, one of the biggest self-owns in political history tbh.

[Adamede]

If Ukraine rightfully belongs to Russia than Peru rightfully belongs to Spain.

Ah I figured you might say that. Thats not how I see it lol.

Yes because you’re a hypocrite, I’m well aware. All of you guys are.

[Lumiere du Premier]

Ah I figured you might say that. Thats not how I see it lol.

Yes because you’re a hypocrite, I’m well aware. All of you guys are.

I'm not, read the response I gave above.

[Adamede]

Yes because you’re a hypocrite, I’m well aware. All of you guys are.

I'm not, read the response I gave above.

By that logic Ukraine is actually the rightful owner of the lands of the Rus, of which Kyiv was the primary city of.

That and the Mongols get all of Russia and China.

Also Peru is not the Incan empire.

Your argument is just fucking dumb dude.

[Tarsonis]

If Ukraine rightfully belongs to Russia than Peru rightfully belongs to Spain.

Ah I figured you might say that. Thats not how I see it lol. What is now Peru was independent as the Inca Empire before the Spanish took over and turned it into Peru

Yeah but how you see it is fucking stupid, so nobody cares

[The Kharkivan Cossacks]

Even if we accept that the referendums were legitimate (they weren't), there never even was one held in Zaporizhya lol. Like, the Ukrainians still occupied it at the time that the Russians claimed voters there overwhelmingly said they want to join Russia. An incredible thing, given there wasn't even a vote!

Go on, state your reasons why Ukraine is bad and should be condemned for pushing back?

[Polygonal cuboid sheep]

Too many posts for me to reply one by one so I will just make big post here.

"Russia attack first"

No firstly ukraine was discriminate against will of people and terrorising russian populace so russia step in to protect them. ukraine also refuse peace and russian offers so onus is on ukraine now.

"west supports ukraine because west does not like russia"

Yes. West is horrifically russophobic. A carryover from nazi days.

"no referendum in Zaporozhye"

False. There was referendum in liberated regions. 93%! Kherson was 87%.

[Paddy O Fernature]

I mean, for a few years on this site I openly advocated for deescalation between the US and Russia and thought of NATO as an outdated organization that no longer served a real purpose and should be disbanded.

Than along came Putin's antics and my tune quickly changed.

This had genuinely become a mainstream position across the west, and Putin almost singlehandedly undid it. It's genuinely astounding, one of the biggest self-owns in political history tbh.

I mean, there is a reason Putin was named "NATO salesmen of the year" two years over, going on three.

[Deblar]

TBH, setting up a demilitarized zone backed solely by European soldiers would actually be a massive boom for the EU military expansion project and lead to a united Europe that isn't reliant on the US for defense seeing as how they've now have 1 common goal both progressives and nationalists can agree on, as well as weaken the authoritarians in Eastern Europe and Asia through the creation of a Tri-Axial middle ground between the US' BS and The East's BS.

Otoh, that would lead to Ukraine permanently losing 1/5 of its territory and potentially give Russia time to rebuild its forces with the cooperation of China, NK, Iran, etc...

Ukraine is not losing territory it wasnt theirs. In fact Ukraine is still occupying legally recognisable Russian land. https://www.rt.com/russia/563762-putin- ... ependence/

Zaporozhye, Kherson and remainder of donbass are legally russian now yet ukraine still occupies much of this land.

I feel sorry for Putin and his government. To deal with neighbour so frustrating and ungrateful to russian generosity and still refuse to accept peace must be exhasting.

[Adamede]

Even if we accept that the referendums were legitimate (they weren't), there never even was one held in Zaporizhya lol. Like, the Ukrainians still occupied it at the time that the Russians claimed voters there overwhelmingly said they want to join Russia. An incredible thing, given there wasn't even a vote!

Go on, state your reasons why Ukraine is bad and should be condemned for pushing back?

He’s being sarcastic.

[Adamede]

Too many posts for me to reply one by one so I will just make big post here.

"Russia attack first"

No firstly ukraine was discriminate against will of people and terrorising russian populace so russia step in to protect them. ukraine also refuse peace and russian offers so onus is on ukraine now.

"west supports ukraine because west does not like russia"

Yes. West is horrifically russophobic. A carryover from nazi days.

"no referendum in Zaporozhye"

False. There was referendum in liberated regions. 93%! Kherson was 87%.

Russia did attack first.

Your handlers need to get you guys new material.

[Infected Mushroom]

Too many posts for me to reply one by one so I will just make big post here.

"Russia attack first"

No firstly ukraine was discriminate against will of people and terrorising russian populace so russia step in to protect them. ukraine also refuse peace and russian offers so onus is on ukraine now.

"west supports ukraine because west does not like russia"

Yes. West is horrifically russophobic. A carryover from nazi days.

"no referendum in Zaporozhye"

False. There was referendum in liberated regions. 93%! Kherson was 87%.

The West doesn’t understand, that this war was always about the liberation of Russian-speaking Donbas, the protection of Crimea and the culture of the Russian speaking peoples.

[Polygonal cuboid sheep]

Actually no putin make one big mistake. Not dropping ATBIP on zelensky palace.

[Polygonal cuboid sheep]

Too many posts for me to reply one by one so I will just make big post here.

"Russia attack first"

No firstly ukraine was discriminate against will of people and terrorising russian populace so russia step in to protect them. ukraine also refuse peace and russian offers so onus is on ukraine now.

"west supports ukraine because west does not like russia"

Yes. West is horrifically russophobic. A carryover from nazi days.

"no referendum in Zaporozhye"

False. There was referendum in liberated regions. 93%! Kherson was 87%.

The West doesn’t understand, that this war was always about the liberation of Russian-speaking Donbas, the protection of Crimea and the culture of the Russian speaking peoples.

crying child does not understand why parent makes them eat vegetables. West will only understand benefit of russia and its sacrifices when we finally liberate rest of europe.

[Lumiere du Premier]

I'm not, read the response I gave above.

By that logic Ukraine is actually the rightful owner of the lands of the Rus, of which Kyiv was the primary city of.

That and the Mongols get all of Russia and China.

Also Peru is not the Incan empire.

Your argument is just fucking dumb dude.

Its not the Incan Empire. I said the Spaniards came and they turned what was Inca Empire into Peru. I never said that Incan Empire WAS Peru, ever. My views are completely rational for a nationalist Peruvian to have. I will believe and support arguments in favor of my nation.

[Adamede]

TBH, setting up a demilitarized zone backed solely by European soldiers would actually be a massive boom for the EU military expansion project and lead to a united Europe that isn't reliant on the US for defense seeing as how they've now have 1 common goal both progressives and nationalists can agree on, as well as weaken the authoritarians in Eastern Europe and Asia through the creation of a Tri-Axial middle ground between the US' BS and The East's BS.

Otoh, that would lead to Ukraine permanently losing 1/5 of its territory and potentially give Russia time to rebuild its forces with the cooperation of China, NK, Iran, etc...

Ukraine is not losing territory it wasnt theirs. In fact Ukraine is still occupying legally recognisable Russian land. https://www.rt.com/russia/563762-putin- ... ependence/

Zaporozhye, Kherson and remainder of donbass are legally russian now yet ukraine still occupies much of this land.

I feel sorry for Putin and his government. To deal with neighbour so frustrating and ungrateful to russian generosity and still refuse to accept peace must be exhasting.

This comment is so detached from reality I can’t even process it.

[Washington Resistance Army]

False. There was referendum in liberated regions. 93%! Kherson was 87%.

You can't claim to have had a referendum when Russia didn't, and still doesn't, control the city of Zaporizhya itself. It's so transparently fake lol.

Even if we accept that the referendums were legitimate (they weren't), there never even was one held in Zaporizhya lol. Like, the Ukrainians still occupied it at the time that the Russians claimed voters there overwhelmingly said they want to join Russia. An incredible thing, given there wasn't even a vote!

Go on, state your reasons why Ukraine is bad and should be condemned for pushing back?

Well, there are a lot of reasons I think Ukraine is bad. But at the end of the day I still support them over Russia because I try to remain principled in my positions. I oppose Russian imperialism as much as I do American.

[New haven america]

Too many posts for me to reply one by one so I will just make big post here.

"Russia attack first"

No firstly ukraine was discriminate against will of people and terrorising russian populace so russia step in to protect them. ukraine also refuse peace and russian offers so onus is on ukraine now.

"west supports ukraine because west does not like russia"

Yes. West is horrifically russophobic. A carryover from nazi days.

"no referendum in Zaporozhye"

False. There was referendum in liberated regions. 93%! Kherson was 87%.

Are you sure about that?