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La Xinga
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Postby La Xinga » Wed Oct 02, 2024 1:21 pm

Ors Might wrote:
La Xinga wrote:It's truly a shame they don't like my posting style, and they're free to foe-list me if they'd like.

I'm sure they're just as aware as the foe-list feature as you are on how to respond to a question.

So they know the foe list feature exists? Great!
Oh wait, you claim I don't know how to respond to a question, apparently, so they ... don't know the foe-list feature exists? That doesn't seem very likely.

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Ors Might
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Postby Ors Might » Wed Oct 02, 2024 1:24 pm

La Xinga wrote:
Ors Might wrote:I'm sure they're just as aware as the foe-list feature as you are on how to respond to a question.

So they know the foe list feature exists? Great!
Oh wait, you claim I don't know how to respond to a question, apparently, so they ... don't know the foe-list feature exists? That doesn't seem very likely.

I've claimed you don't know how to respond to a question? When?
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La Xinga
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Postby La Xinga » Wed Oct 02, 2024 1:26 pm

Ors Might wrote:
La Xinga wrote:So they know the foe list feature exists? Great!
Oh wait, you claim I don't know how to respond to a question, apparently, so they ... don't know the foe-list feature exists? That doesn't seem very likely.

I've claimed you don't know how to respond to a question? When?

Ah, apologies if I misunderstood. I'm not sure what novelty you were expressing by saying that I do know how to answer a question, but I'm glad we're on the same page regarding that, at least.

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Ors Might
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Postby Ors Might » Wed Oct 02, 2024 1:27 pm

La Xinga wrote:
Ors Might wrote:I've claimed you don't know how to respond to a question? When?

Ah, apologies if I misunderstood. I'm not sure what novelty you were expressing by saying that I do know how to answer a question, but I'm glad we're on the same page regarding that, at least.

Acting in bad faith isn't a novelty, as far as I'm aware.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Oct 02, 2024 1:28 pm

La Xinga wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I read them. And they don't contain any good reasons. Which leads me to believe that the real answer is just that you're applying a double standard.

I certainly know my intentions in my posts, unless you can read my mind too, apparently a common phenomenon here. Sorry that you don't believe my reasons are "good", I suppose?

There's nothing in my post about your intentions. This whole bit you're doing of waffling around the topic instead of just straightforwardly explaining yourself has gotten tiresome.



You can just say "youtube video". Pretending that this is a documentary doesn't accomplish anything.
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SusScorfa
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Postby SusScorfa » Wed Oct 02, 2024 1:29 pm

La Xinga wrote:
Ors Might wrote:I've claimed you don't know how to respond to a question? When?

Ah, apologies if I misunderstood. I'm not sure what novelty you were expressing by saying that I do know how to answer a question, but I'm glad we're on the same page regarding that, at least.


Weren't you complaining how someone was padding their post numbers with meaningless posts just a second ago?

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La Xinga
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Postby La Xinga » Wed Oct 02, 2024 1:34 pm

Ors Might wrote:
La Xinga wrote:Ah, apologies if I misunderstood. I'm not sure what novelty you were expressing by saying that I do know how to answer a question, but I'm glad we're on the same page regarding that, at least.

Acting in bad faith isn't a novelty, as far as I'm aware.

Maybe my real flaw is being unable to interpret posts, since I have no clue what you're talkin' about.
Ifreann wrote:
La Xinga wrote:I certainly know my intentions in my posts, unless you can read my mind too, apparently a common phenomenon here. Sorry that you don't believe my reasons are "good", I suppose?

There's nothing in my post about your intentions. This whole bit you're doing of waffling around the topic instead of just straightforwardly explaining yourself has gotten tiresome.

It's wasn't a bit; I responded to Fame's question and he didn't like the answer. Not my fault.
SusScorfa wrote:
La Xinga wrote:Ah, apologies if I misunderstood. I'm not sure what novelty you were expressing by saying that I do know how to answer a question, but I'm glad we're on the same page regarding that, at least.


Weren't you complaining how someone was padding their post numbers with meaningless posts just a second ago?

Regarding someone who kept on pestering me about answering a question I already answered? Yes.

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Korouse
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Postby Korouse » Wed Oct 02, 2024 1:36 pm

Fahran wrote:
Fame And Even More Fame wrote:“An Israel Defense Forces spokesperson declined to comment to NPR on casualties or damage resulting from the strike.”
Looks like we’re not going to get much trustworthy information anytime soon. Though I agree it is unlikely Iran destroyed F-35s.

According to reports in the Israeli media, the military acknowledged that the strike had damaged “several” airbases. However it said that no aircraft had been destroyed. Israeli media reported that the attacks had mainly damaged maintenance areas and office buildings.


The Israelis were more accurate in their damage assessments the last time around than the IRGC or their propaganda channels - which claimed aircraft had been destroyed or bases had been destroyed. I suspect that the reports made by Israeli media are probably accurate.

Love the doublespeak here about "Israeli media" (surely an unbiased source!) vs "IRGC propaganda channels." Israeli media has been under-reporting the damage this war's caused them since the beginning. A good current example is the IDF operations in Rafah where they claim every 2-3 months Hamas is gone. The Israeli media faithfully and without any hesitation echoes whatever the IDF says. The reality is that you have no way of knowing and you defer to what the Israelis say on the matter. As for the IRGC, I don't remember anything saying they destroyed entire bases. Are you referring to spam news accounts on Twitter, or a paramilitary movement at war with Israel?
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Daemonkin of Corn
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Postby Daemonkin of Corn » Wed Oct 02, 2024 1:37 pm

La Xinga wrote:
Fame And Even More Fame wrote:Mossad headquarters, IDF headquarters and at least one military base in Tel Aviv. Not comparable to the White House.

Alright, the Pentagon, better? In the middle of an urban area!
I have a question. Not supporting Hamas or anything, but where do you expect Hamas to put their military assets?

In the realm of nonexistence.
Deblar wrote:and Israel wouldn't? i feel like they're smarter than that.

of course, Israel has the advantage of possessing one of the most effective missile defense systems in the world, so i suppose it's something they assume they don't have to worry about, but still

Well yes, Israel does not have an assumption that wherever they put their stuff will be attacked, the same way the US doesn't. Hamas definitely knows what is bound to happen based on the principle of FAFO.
and the guy below me should see this post too


Why would they not have that assumption? They are surrounded by enemies.
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El Lazaro
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Postby El Lazaro » Wed Oct 02, 2024 1:37 pm


Really laying it on thick with the Jewish puppeteer stuff

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Postby SusScorfa » Wed Oct 02, 2024 1:38 pm

La Xinga wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Acting in bad faith isn't a novelty, as far as I'm aware.

Maybe my real flaw is being unable to interpret posts, since I have no clue what you're talkin' about.
Ifreann wrote:There's nothing in my post about your intentions. This whole bit you're doing of waffling around the topic instead of just straightforwardly explaining yourself has gotten tiresome.

It's wasn't a bit; I responded to Fame's question and he didn't like the answer. Not my fault.
SusScorfa wrote:
Weren't you complaining how someone was padding their post numbers with meaningless posts just a second ago?

Regarding someone who kept on pestering me about answering a question I already answered? Yes.


Well, you are kind of clogging up the thread with this meta discussion about a discussion you had a few minutes ago. And I'm sure its a really funny feeling when all the attention is on you, but to the rest of us it is meaningless.

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Postby Ors Might » Wed Oct 02, 2024 1:38 pm

La Xinga wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Acting in bad faith isn't a novelty, as far as I'm aware.

Maybe my real flaw is being unable to interpret posts, since I have no clue what you're talkin' about.
Ifreann wrote:There's nothing in my post about your intentions. This whole bit you're doing of waffling around the topic instead of just straightforwardly explaining yourself has gotten tiresome.

It's wasn't a bit; I responded to Fame's question and he didn't like the answer. Not my fault.
SusScorfa wrote:
Weren't you complaining how someone was padding their post numbers with meaningless posts just a second ago?

Regarding someone who kept on pestering me about answering a question I already answered? Yes.

Is this the first time you've come across the concept of "bad faith"? I'm willing to explain, if necessary.
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Korouse
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Postby Korouse » Wed Oct 02, 2024 1:41 pm

El Lazaro wrote:

Really laying it on thick with the Jewish puppeteer stuff

Did you even watch the video lol you'd have to be nuts to think that a bunch of people in Hollywood aren't Zionists and promote Israel. Reductio ad absurdum all you want, it's the mark of a mental midget.
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La Xinga
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Postby La Xinga » Wed Oct 02, 2024 1:41 pm

Daemonkin of Corn wrote:
La Xinga wrote:Alright, the Pentagon, better? In the middle of an urban area!

In the realm of nonexistence.


Well yes, Israel does not have an assumption that wherever they put their stuff will be attacked, the same way the US doesn't. Hamas definitely knows what is bound to happen based on the principle of FAFO.
and the guy below me should see this post too


Why would they not have that assumption? They are surrounded by enemies.

The average Israeli asset in the interior of their nation does not get blown up. The average terrorist asset in Gaza does.
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La Xinga wrote:Maybe my real flaw is being unable to interpret posts, since I have no clue what you're talkin' about.

It's wasn't a bit; I responded to Fame's question and he didn't like the answer. Not my fault.

Regarding someone who kept on pestering me about answering a question I already answered? Yes.


Well, you are kind of clogging up the thread with this meta discussion about a discussion you had a few minutes ago. And I'm sure its a really funny feeling when all the attention is on you, but to the rest of us it is meaningless.

I'm sure it's just me singlehandedly "clogging the thread" by replying to myself. Or perhaps a discussion generally involves more than one participant? It takes two to tango, if you will?
Ors Might wrote:
La Xinga wrote:Maybe my real flaw is being unable to interpret posts, since I have no clue what you're talkin' about.

It's wasn't a bit; I responded to Fame's question and he didn't like the answer. Not my fault.

Regarding someone who kept on pestering me about answering a question I already answered? Yes.

Is this the first time you've come across the concept of "bad faith"? I'm willing to explain, if necessary.

I'm aware of the concept. I'm not sure why you mentioned it in regards to my interpretation of your post. If you were suggesting my interpretation of your post was in bad faith, then I can say that as the most accurate source regarding my intentions, it was not.

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Ors Might
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Postby Ors Might » Wed Oct 02, 2024 1:50 pm

La Xinga wrote:
Daemonkin of Corn wrote:
Why would they not have that assumption? They are surrounded by enemies.

The average Israeli asset in the interior of their nation does not get blown up. The average terrorist asset in Gaza does.
SusScorfa wrote:
Well, you are kind of clogging up the thread with this meta discussion about a discussion you had a few minutes ago. And I'm sure its a really funny feeling when all the attention is on you, but to the rest of us it is meaningless.

I'm sure it's just me singlehandedly "clogging the thread" by replying to myself. Or perhaps a discussion generally involves more than one participant? It takes two to tango, if you will?
Ors Might wrote:Is this the first time you've come across the concept of "bad faith"? I'm willing to explain, if necessary.

I'm aware of the concept. I'm not sure why you mentioned it in regards to my interpretation of your post. If you were suggesting my interpretation of your post was in bad faith, then I can say that as the most accurate source regarding my intentions, it was not.

I think it's quite easy to understand that I belive you're acting in bad faith in regards to the nonresponses you've given to other posters. Context would clearly indicate that.

This is going on way too long though. Wasn't the topic originally being discussed whether or not putting military facilities near civilian areas a bad thing or something along those lines?
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Sans La Seriffe
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Postby Sans La Seriffe » Wed Oct 02, 2024 2:05 pm

Just dropped in to state, emphatically, "Fuck Israel."

May that genocidal ethnostate burn to the ground.

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Postby Kaumudeen » Wed Oct 02, 2024 2:05 pm

El Lazaro wrote:

Really laying it on thick with the Jewish puppeteer stuff


A documentary on foreign interference is anti-semitic now apparently. What if it was about RT or Sputnik?
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Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby First Nightmare » Wed Oct 02, 2024 2:10 pm

Ors Might wrote:
La Xinga wrote:The average Israeli asset in the interior of their nation does not get blown up. The average terrorist asset in Gaza does.

I'm sure it's just me singlehandedly "clogging the thread" by replying to myself. Or perhaps a discussion generally involves more than one participant? It takes two to tango, if you will?

I'm aware of the concept. I'm not sure why you mentioned it in regards to my interpretation of your post. If you were suggesting my interpretation of your post was in bad faith, then I can say that as the most accurate source regarding my intentions, it was not.

I think it's quite easy to understand that I belive you're acting in bad faith in regards to the nonresponses you've given to other posters. Context would clearly indicate that.

This is going on way too long though. Wasn't the topic originally being discussed whether or not putting military facilities near civilian areas a bad thing or something along those lines?

The capital(seat of the government) is always a legitimate target so putting these facilities into it isn't really a problem.
What is a problem is when you take your own people hostage. When you force them to be with you when you are under fire. When you misuse protected assets - for example, using hospitals for ammunition storage or as headquarters. When you identify yourself as a civilian when you are not.

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El Lazaro
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Postby El Lazaro » Wed Oct 02, 2024 2:11 pm

Kaumudeen wrote:
El Lazaro wrote:Really laying it on thick with the Jewish puppeteer stuff


A documentary on foreign interference is anti-semitic now apparently. What if it was about RT or Sputnik?

I’m talking about the thumbnail and your prior comments, such as:

Kaumudeen wrote:Who would have thought that the Arab leaders would be reduced to being pawns of either Jews or Iranians. :rofl: :rofl:

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Ors Might
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Postby Ors Might » Wed Oct 02, 2024 2:14 pm

First Nightmare wrote:
Ors Might wrote:I think it's quite easy to understand that I belive you're acting in bad faith in regards to the nonresponses you've given to other posters. Context would clearly indicate that.

This is going on way too long though. Wasn't the topic originally being discussed whether or not putting military facilities near civilian areas a bad thing or something along those lines?

The capital(seat of the government) is always a legitimate target so putting these facilities into it isn't really a problem.
What is a problem is when you take your own people hostage. When you force them to be with you when you are under fire. When you misuse protected assets - for example, using hospitals for ammunition storage or as headquarters. When you identify yourself as a civilian when you are not.

I'm not aware of any articles or reports of Hamas forcing Palestinians to remain in Gaza. Though I absolutely might have missed something.
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Kanaia » Wed Oct 02, 2024 4:31 pm

Kaumudeen wrote:
El Lazaro wrote:Really laying it on thick with the Jewish puppeteer stuff


A documentary on foreign interference is anti-semitic now apparently. What if it was about RT or Sputnik?

https://ohpi.org.au/antisemitism-media-control/
Congratulations, you're spreading one of the oldest antisemitic tropes out there.
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Postby Kanaia » Wed Oct 02, 2024 4:35 pm

Fame And Even More Fame wrote:
La Xinga wrote:Do you read the post you're replying to at all? I'm surprised you haven't informed me that Denver isn't in Italy yet.

I certainly have answered your question.

What’s wrong in my post? Are you saying that you think military assets in a city make the entire city a target, or something else?


“Into nonexistence” isn’t an answer and you know it. Israel’s accusations of human shields are based from the fact that Hamas has military assets in densely populated areas. Where would you want Hamas to put them?

Pretty amazing that "terrorist organizations shouldn't have military assets" is seen as an absurd take by multiple people in this thread.
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Father Knows Best State

Postby Island of Manx » Wed Oct 02, 2024 4:41 pm

El Lazaro wrote:

Really laying it on thick with the Jewish puppeteer stuff


Israel =/= Jews

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El Lazaro
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Postby El Lazaro » Wed Oct 02, 2024 5:00 pm

Island of Manx wrote:
El Lazaro wrote:Really laying it on thick with the Jewish puppeteer stuff


Israel =/= Jews

Kaumadeen conflates Israel with Jews and has suggested that Jews are pulling the strings in the West in multiple occasions. And in any event, you can’t just post an anti-Semitic canard and say you were only talking about Israel. It’s like posting a picture of a slit-eyed Xi Jinping in a Fu Manchu costume sending Covid-infested bats to America and saying “I’m just criticizing the CCP bro.”

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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Europa Undivided » Wed Oct 02, 2024 5:06 pm

Sans La Seriffe wrote:Just dropped in to state, emphatically, "Fuck Israel."

May that genocidal ethnostate burn to the ground.

I wasn't aware that we were writing fantasy.

Kanaia wrote:
Fame And Even More Fame wrote:What’s wrong in my post? Are you saying that you think military assets in a city make the entire city a target, or something else?


“Into nonexistence” isn’t an answer and you know it. Israel’s accusations of human shields are based from the fact that Hamas has military assets in densely populated areas. Where would you want Hamas to put them?

Pretty amazing that "terrorist organizations shouldn't have military assets" is seen as an absurd take by multiple people in this thread.

Parts of Gaza between the cities are sparsely populated and could host tunnels just as well as anywhere else. But we know that Hamas wants a maximum number of martyrs for Allah.
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