NationStates

Kaumudeen wrote:

Ineva wrote:Apparently, it should not finish them either.

Yep, very anti-semitic of the world to say Israel cannot do whatever it wants with no reprucussions.

Wait until Iran finds out that it, too, cannot do whatever it wants with no repercussions, and we will see if the tune of this song changes.

Ineva wrote:

Kaumudeen wrote:
Yep, very anti-semitic of the world to say Israel cannot do whatever it wants with no reprucussions.

Wait until Iran finds out that it, too, cannot do whatever it wants with no repercussions, and we will see if the tune of this song changes.

Because until now Iran has been operating with total impunity?

Ineva wrote:

Kaumudeen wrote:
Yep, very anti-semitic of the world to say Israel cannot do whatever it wants with no reprucussions.

Wait until Iran finds out that it, too, cannot do whatever it wants with no repercussions, and we will see if the tune of this song changes.

Iran is one of the most sanctioned states on earth. What the fuck do you mean no reprucussions?

Apparently the Palestinian killed was killed by fragments of an intercepted rocket.

Ifreann wrote:

Ineva wrote:Wait until Iran finds out that it, too, cannot do whatever it wants with no repercussions, and we will see if the tune of this song changes.

Because until now Iran has been operating with total impunity?

No, but, let us not kid ourselves: There is going to be a response to this event that Iran will most probably dislike.

Kaumudeen wrote:

Ineva wrote:Wait until Iran finds out that it, too, cannot do whatever it wants with no repercussions, and we will see if the tune of this song changes.

Iran is one of the most sanctioned states on earth. What the fuck do you mean no reprucussions?

And Israel has had its fair share of repercussions as well, but that did not stop you from making a similar assertion.

Ineva wrote:

Kaumudeen wrote:
Iran is one of the most sanctioned states on earth. What the fuck do you mean no reprucussions?

And Israel has had its fair share of repercussions as well, but that did not stop you from making a similar assertion.

A mere slap on the wrist by its backers is not a reprucussion.

Ineva wrote:

Ifreann wrote:Because until now Iran has been operating with total impunity?

No, but, let us not kid ourselves: There is going to be a response to this event that Iran will most probably dislike.

Which of course will force Iran to retaliate again.

Ineva wrote:

Ifreann wrote:Because until now Iran has been operating with total impunity?

No, but, let us not kid ourselves: There is going to be a response to this event that Iran will most probably dislike.

Yeah, no shit.

Soviet Haaregrad wrote:

Ineva wrote:No, but, let us not kid ourselves: There is going to be a response to this event that Iran will most probably dislike.

Which of course will force Iran to retaliate again.

That kind of depends on the Israeli response. The last time Israeli response didn't merit a further retaliation from Iran. This time the Iranian strike was more severe, but its not like Israel didn't know this was likely when they assassinated Haniyeh and Nasrallah, the first of which was killed inside Iran.

Elwher wrote:

Kaumudeen wrote:
Israel considers someone saying "Free Palestine" as wildly escalatory. They are the most overreactful nation.

Anything short of going nuclear is a reasonable reaction to a country firing that many missiles at you.

That caused little or no reported damage, and three casualties, and many weapons were intercepted.

There used to be a concept called "take the win".

Imperializt Russia wrote:

Elwher wrote:
Anything short of going nuclear is a reasonable reaction to a country firing that many missiles at you.

That caused little or no reported damage, and three casualties, and many weapons were intercepted.

There used to be a concept called "take the win".

I personally wouldn't want to live next to civilizations that conduct constant border raids. Elwher is right. Israel has a mandate to invade and pacify most of its neighbors because they are completely uncivilized territories in an extremely classic sense, in that they cannot abide by ordinary international order as lawful states.

Defending them doing so because it's "not that big a deal" is missing the point.

There also used to be a concept called "Civilize the savage", but the left doesn't want to admit that it was a necessary period for mankind. If these countries don't learn to stop launching constant low scale attacks after being bombed to fuck for doing it and cry about how we're victimizing them, then they must simply be colonized and rehabilitated into being lawful actors. Acting appalled about how that would require violently suppressing the prisoner throwing a tantrum and constantly trying to escape so they can keep doing crimes entirely misses the point.

"All he does is punch people every day. How can that possibly justify you deciding to throw him in a cage? And he only keeps trying to shiv the guards because you put him in the cage, and now you're escalating to beating him with truncheons! You're the bad guys here! The punches weren't even that hard!".

Imperializt Russia wrote:

Elwher wrote:
Anything short of going nuclear is a reasonable reaction to a country firing that many missiles at you.

That caused little or no reported damage, and three casualties, and many weapons were intercepted.

There used to be a concept called "take the win".

Little to no damage only due to the Iron Dome.

Iranian government forces had better get fucked up for this!

Six Tribes of Natlan wrote:

Imperializt Russia wrote:That caused little or no reported damage, and three casualties, and many weapons were intercepted.

There used to be a concept called "take the win".

Little to no damage only due to the Iron Dome.

That's the win. The ball is on Israel's court now. And no its not the Iron Dome, that's for the rockets from Gaza and Hezbollah. Its the other one used for ballistic missiles, arrow 3 I think.

Ostroeuropa wrote:

Imperializt Russia wrote:That caused little or no reported damage, and three casualties, and many weapons were intercepted.

There used to be a concept called "take the win".

I personally wouldn't want to live next to civilizations that conduct constant border raids. Elwher is right. Israel has a mandate to invade and pacify most of its neighbors because they are completely uncivilized territories in an extremely classic sense, in that they cannot abide by ordinary international order as lawful states.

Defending them doing so because it's "not that big a deal" is missing the point.

There also used to be a concept called "Civilize the savage", but the left doesn't want to admit that it was a necessary period for mankind. If these countries don't learn to stop launching constant low scale attacks after being bombed to fuck for doing it and cry about how we're victimizing them, then they must simply be colonized and rehabilitated into being lawful actors.

Does Israel need to be colonized and rehabilitated into a lawful actor, given the many war crimes it's responsible for in this conflict?

Ors Might wrote:

Ostroeuropa wrote:
I personally wouldn't want to live next to civilizations that conduct constant border raids. Elwher is right. Israel has a mandate to invade and pacify most of its neighbors because they are completely uncivilized territories in an extremely classic sense, in that they cannot abide by ordinary international order as lawful states.

Defending them doing so because it's "not that big a deal" is missing the point.

There also used to be a concept called "Civilize the savage", but the left doesn't want to admit that it was a necessary period for mankind. If these countries don't learn to stop launching constant low scale attacks after being bombed to fuck for doing it and cry about how we're victimizing them, then they must simply be colonized and rehabilitated into being lawful actors.

Does Israel need to be colonized and rehabilitated into a lawful actor, given the many war crimes it's responsible for in this conflict?

Did they randomly attack their neighbours? No? Well, then it's a different discussion isn't it. The way to get Israel to obey the law is to stop attacking them. The best proposal we've seen from anti-Israel types is that we should simply ignore their neighbors constantly breaking the law, or let them outright destroy Israel.

Ostroeuropa wrote:

Ors Might wrote:Does Israel need to be colonized and rehabilitated into a lawful actor, given the many war crimes it's responsible for in this conflict?

Did they randomly attack their neighbours?

Is something only "unlawful" and "savage" if its "random"?

Ostroeuropa wrote:

Imperializt Russia wrote:That caused little or no reported damage, and three casualties, and many weapons were intercepted.

There used to be a concept called "take the win".

I personally wouldn't want to live next to civilizations that conduct constant border raids. Elwher is right. Israel has a mandate to invade and pacify most of its neighbors because they are completely uncivilized territories in an extremely classic sense, in that they cannot abide by ordinary international order as lawful states.

Defending them doing so because it's "not that big a deal" is missing the point.

There also used to be a concept called "Civilize the savage", but the left doesn't want to admit that it was a necessary period for mankind. If these countries don't learn to stop launching constant low scale attacks after being bombed to fuck for doing it and cry about how we're victimizing them, then they must simply be colonized and rehabilitated into being lawful actors. Acting appalled about how that would require violently suppressing the prisoner throwing a tantrum and constantly trying to escape so they can keep doing crimes entirely misses the point.

"All he does is punch people every day. How can that possibly justify you deciding to throw him in a cage? And he only keeps trying to shiv the guards because you put him in the cage, and now you're escalating to beating him with truncheons! You're the bad guys here! The punches weren't even that hard!".

This is some strange larp right?

Ors Might wrote:

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Did they randomly attack their neighbours?

Is something only "unlawful" and "savage" if its "random"?

I expanded in an edit.

Did they randomly attack their neighbours? No? Well, then it's a different discussion isn't it. The way to get Israel to obey the law is to stop attacking them. The best proposal we've seen from anti-Israel types is that we should simply ignore their neighbors constantly breaking the law, or let them outright destroy Israel.

SusScorfa wrote:

Ostroeuropa wrote:
I personally wouldn't want to live next to civilizations that conduct constant border raids. Elwher is right. Israel has a mandate to invade and pacify most of its neighbors because they are completely uncivilized territories in an extremely classic sense, in that they cannot abide by ordinary international order as lawful states.

Defending them doing so because it's "not that big a deal" is missing the point.

There also used to be a concept called "Civilize the savage", but the left doesn't want to admit that it was a necessary period for mankind. If these countries don't learn to stop launching constant low scale attacks after being bombed to fuck for doing it and cry about how we're victimizing them, then they must simply be colonized and rehabilitated into being lawful actors. Acting appalled about how that would require violently suppressing the prisoner throwing a tantrum and constantly trying to escape so they can keep doing crimes entirely misses the point.

"All he does is punch people every day. How can that possibly justify you deciding to throw him in a cage? And he only keeps trying to shiv the guards because you put him in the cage, and now you're escalating to beating him with truncheons! You're the bad guys here! The punches weren't even that hard!".

This is some strange larp right?

Nope. Got an argument as to why its wrong?

Ostroeuropa wrote:

Ors Might wrote:Is something only "unlawful" and "savage" if its "random"?

I expanded in an edit.

Did they randomly attack their neighbours? No? Well, then it's a different discussion isn't it. The way to get Israel to obey the law is to stop attacking them. The best proposal we've seen from anti-Israel types is that we should simply ignore their neighbors constantly breaking the law, or let them outright destroy Israel.

Is it your position that Israel has done nothing to provoke their neighbors, to escalate conflicts, or to engage in indefensible actions, such as callous disregard for loss of civilian life?

Ostroeuropa wrote:

Ors Might wrote:Is something only "unlawful" and "savage" if its "random"?

I expanded in an edit.

Did they randomly attack their neighbours? No? Well, then it's a different discussion isn't it. The way to get Israel to obey the law is to stop attacking them. The best proposal we've seen from anti-Israel types is that we should simply ignore their neighbors constantly breaking the law, or let them outright destroy Israel.

SusScorfa wrote:
This is some strange larp right?

Nope. Got an argument as to why its wrong?

The illegal Israeli occupation of Palestinian territory since 1967.

El Lazaro wrote:

Glorious Freedonia wrote:I just read that a bunch more people were killed because one of the Hamas scumbags who participated in the October 7 atrocities was hiding out in a civilian area. He caused a bunch of kids to die. Not like he cared because he was evil, but still.

I just read that Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu has murdered like fifteen thousand children. Not that any of his supporters care because the kids were Arabs, but still.

So you support terrorist organizations? You support 9/11?

Ostroeuropa wrote:

Imperializt Russia wrote:That caused little or no reported damage, and three casualties, and many weapons were intercepted.

There used to be a concept called "take the win".

I personally wouldn't want to live next to civilizations that conduct constant border raids. Elwher is right. Israel has a mandate to invade and pacify most of its neighbors because they are completely uncivilized territories in an extremely classic sense, in that they cannot abide by ordinary international order as lawful states.

Defending them doing so because it's "not that big a deal" is missing the point.

There also used to be a concept called "Civilize the savage", but the left doesn't want to admit that it was a necessary period for mankind. If these countries don't learn to stop launching constant low scale attacks after being bombed to fuck for doing it and cry about how we're victimizing them, then they must simply be colonized and rehabilitated into being lawful actors. Acting appalled about how that would require violently suppressing the prisoner throwing a tantrum and constantly trying to escape so they can keep doing crimes entirely misses the point.

"All he does is punch people every day. How can that possibly justify you deciding to throw him in a cage? And he only keeps trying to shiv the guards because you put him in the cage, and now you're escalating to beating him with truncheons! You're the bad guys here! The punches weren't even that hard!".

You always come back with the most incredible takes.

Turenia wrote:Iranian government forces had better get fucked up for this!

Yeah, there's no way they can be allowed to get away with killing tens of thousands of innocent people.

Ifreann wrote:

Turenia wrote:Iranian government forces had better get fucked up for this!

Yeah, there's no way they can be allowed to get away with killing tens of thousands of innocent people.

What would the world come to if something like that happened?