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Northern Socialist Council Republics
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Postby Northern Socialist Council Republics » Tue Oct 01, 2024 3:06 am

Senkaku wrote:I can’t say I think Israeli civilians deserve to get put on catastrophic famine rations and have all medical supplies interdicted, and the implication of this passage is quite directly that you think Israel should face a similar “level of international isolation and economic sanctions” as the blockaded Gaza (sorry, “Hamas”). I would hope the move would be more for Palestinians to be allowed to enjoy comparable standards of living to Israeli ones, rather than lowering everyone to the level of queueing in bread and water lines or dying of preventable diseases.

You can go back and read the conversation I had with Fahran comparing the situation in Palestine with the situation in 1990s North Korea to get my stance on this issue.

Or, tl;dr: the sanctions on North Korea are justified, the sanctions on Hamas (and the Gaza Strip of which it is the effective governing authority) are justified, and the sanctions I am proposing we implement on Israel will be justified. If a governing authority pursues a militant and aggressive foreign policy that demands an international response, that the standard-of-living of the local population might be caught as collateral damage of the economic sanctions applied is frankly the responsibility of the governing authority conducting such aggression, not the responsibility of the international community which has to figure out how to to respond to aggression when it only has access to such famously weak and uncoercive tools as economic sanctions. If governments want to hold the well-being of their own people hostage to force us to back off from responding to their acts of aggression, the response of the international community should be a resounding "lol, [expletive] off".

But all that aside, the point of the line of argument that I am pursuing here is highlighting the incredibe hypocrisy involved in Fahran thinking that we should keep supporting Israel and only apply limited measures to discourage its offensive activities, we should totally send rice to North Korea even when they keep diverting it to their offensive activities, but supporting Hamas or Hezbollah is antisemitic and terroristic and how dare you?!?!?

Maybe I should start calling Fahran an anti-democratic traitor for suggesting that aid to North Korea is a thing that should be done. It wouldn't be an accurate label, but she certainly seems quick enough to paint anyone that sympathises with Israel's enemies with the antisemitism brush and turnabout is fair play, right?
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Postby The Eur-asian Federation » Tue Oct 01, 2024 4:18 am

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Glorious Freedonia wrote:I think Lebanon, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia would be a good start.

It is just wild how you come on here every day and embarrass yourself like this.

It's surreal to see people from the Ukraine thread that are decidedly pro-Ukrainian trading blows like this.


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Postby Post War America » Tue Oct 01, 2024 5:26 am

The Eur-asian Federation wrote:
Ifreann wrote:It is just wild how you come on here every day and embarrass yourself like this.

It's surreal to see people from the Ukraine thread that are decidedly pro-Ukrainian trading blows like this.


Some Ukraine supporters are Western chauvinists, some Ukraine supporters hold anti-imperialist views with some degree of consistency. Western chauvanists are quick to support any "Western Democracy" against the barbarous Eastern hordes, anti-imperialists conversely will likely recognize what Israel is doing is a punitive expedition not unlike those the European powers waged against Asian and African nations that had the gall to resist them.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Tue Oct 01, 2024 5:52 am

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Infected Mushroom wrote:From a look at the news headlines, it appears that a USA-backed Israeli Empire is expanding militarily in the region.


There have apparently been a number of Israeli personalities calling for colonizing southern Lebanon in the past few months, these groups have gotten more vocal recently.


Israel must be stopped. I don’t know how but they can’t be allowed to keep bombing Arab nations like that. Also, they crossed into Lebanon.

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Postby Turenia » Tue Oct 01, 2024 6:02 am

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Suriyanakhon wrote:
There have apparently been a number of Israeli personalities calling for colonizing southern Lebanon in the past few months, these groups have gotten more vocal recently.


Israel must be stopped. I don’t know how but they can’t be allowed to keep bombing Arab nations like that. Also, they crossed into Lebanon.

It’s self-defence.

Not a baseless land-grab, as your idol Putin is doing.
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Postby Six Tribes of Natlan » Tue Oct 01, 2024 7:10 am

Turenia wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
Israel must be stopped. I don’t know how but they can’t be allowed to keep bombing Arab nations like that. Also, they crossed into Lebanon.

It’s self-defence.

Not a baseless land-grab, as your idol Putin is doing.


Exactly.

They're taking out the Hezbollah positions that displaced tens of thousands of Israelis from their homes.

Even the Lebanese Army withdrew, effectively signaling "Tough luck, Hezbollah. You're on your own."

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Postby Alvosa » Tue Oct 01, 2024 7:28 am

Ok, Isreal Is attacking Lebanon. I think this will become a war but it might be too early to see. They’ve been attacking Gaza for nearly a year now and they seem to have gotten impatient and are attacking Lebanon. Iran now has more justification to go to war with Isreal and now they’re forces are more split up a Middle Eastern war could be on the horizon.
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Postby Oceasia » Tue Oct 01, 2024 7:54 am

Iran apparently preparing imminent ballistic missile attack on Israel

Some sources suggest it will happen in the next 12 hours.
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Tue Oct 01, 2024 8:11 am

Oceasia wrote:Iran apparently preparing imminent ballistic missile attack on Israel

Some sources suggest it will happen in the next 12 hours.

I wonder if they’d be able to manage more than injuring a seven year old Bedouin child. That attack seemed very choreographed in a very earnest attempt to avoid making the US and Israel mad at them, so maybe.
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Postby Oceasia » Tue Oct 01, 2024 8:17 am

Stellar Colonies wrote:
Oceasia wrote:Iran apparently preparing imminent ballistic missile attack on Israel

Some sources suggest it will happen in the next 12 hours.

I wonder if they’d be able to manage more than injuring a seven year old Bedouin child. That attack seemed very choreographed in a very earnest attempt to avoid making the US and Israel mad at them, so maybe.

The attack will apparently be similar in scale to the one in April, so I suspect they're just gonna injure another Bedouin child.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Tue Oct 01, 2024 8:21 am

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Postby Danternoust » Tue Oct 01, 2024 9:48 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:Good thing I refuelled my car yesterday.

Crude up 3% already.
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Postby Oceasia » Tue Oct 01, 2024 9:48 am

The Iranian attack is ongoing, missiles are landing in Israel right now.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Tue Oct 01, 2024 10:09 am

Danternoust wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Good thing I refuelled my car yesterday.

Crude up 3% already.
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It takes a month for oil to go from well to gas station. Outside of anticipatory price increases, it would take time for the price of oil futures to impact the price of gas/petrol.

Ah, I see you don't live in Britain, home of some of the most anticipatory pricing in the west.

We tend to get sub-two-week turnaround on "oil is trading well", let alone actual shocks like could be down the pipe. The Ukraine price rises bit within less than a week, and even after intervention in the pump price, continued to increase until a peak price in July 2022, coupled with actual shortages.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Oct 01, 2024 10:14 am

Turenia wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
Israel must be stopped. I don’t know how but they can’t be allowed to keep bombing Arab nations like that. Also, they crossed into Lebanon.

It’s self-defence.

Not a baseless land-grab, as your idol Putin is doing.

Just think, if those children had been allowed to grow up then they might have been hostile to the nation that destroyed their home and killed their family. Israel had to kill them to defend itself.
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Postby Senkaku » Tue Oct 01, 2024 10:24 am

Oceasia wrote:The Iranian attack is ongoing, missiles are landing in Israel right now.

Well, the IDF is saying its defenses aren’t “hermetic” and that the explosions everyone can hear are either successful interceptions… or missiles that evaded interception… so I’d say it’s not looking good for anyone who doesn’t want a theater-wide war that draws in the U.S.
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Postby Kaumudeen » Tue Oct 01, 2024 10:25 am

Senkaku wrote:I can’t say I think Israeli civilians deserve to get put on catastrophic famine rations and have all medical supplies interdicted, and the implication of this passage is quite directly that you think Israel should face a similar “level of international isolation and economic sanctions” as the blockaded Gaza (sorry, “Hamas”). I would hope the move would be more for Palestinians to be allowed to enjoy comparable standards of living to Israeli ones, rather than lowering everyone to the level of queueing in bread and water lines or dying of preventable diseases.


At the very least, Israel deserves similar sanctions that Iran has or Apartheid South Africa had.
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Postby Kaumudeen » Tue Oct 01, 2024 10:26 am

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Postby The Eur-asian Federation » Tue Oct 01, 2024 10:33 am

About time somebody stepped into the ring.


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Postby SusScorfa » Tue Oct 01, 2024 10:40 am

De-escalation through escalations in action.

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Postby Kaumudeen » Tue Oct 01, 2024 10:43 am

Fahran wrote:
Kaumudeen wrote:Shia clerics are not Wahhabi, they don't advocate wife beating.

The IRI has executed three times as many people as the Saudis in the past two to three years, and has busied itself beating school girls and shooting mothers over a mandatory hijab law that has never been particularly popular in large urban areas. It's accurate to say the Shia clerics associated with the regime do not advocate beating their wives. Because a lot of them want the police beat women and girls who aren't their wives too.

I was hoping Pezeshkian and the reformists could have a more positive impact on the situation, but nothing appears to have changed the past few months.


The Saudis have killed more labourers than Iran has killed women or prisoners, but no one cares about them because they are South Asian usually and not convenient for Western feminists.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Oct 01, 2024 10:45 am

SusScorfa wrote:De-escalation through escalations in action.

The bombings will continue until morale improves.
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Postby HISPIDA » Tue Oct 01, 2024 10:48 am

how does everything start happening once i stop checking the news? israel's invading lebanon, iran's attacking israel, what next?
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