2023-24 Israel-Hamas-Hezbollah-Iran-Houthi Conflict

[Deblar]

Ah, NSG, where the death of 14,000 children can be justified because "they might've been terrorists".

Zionism has blackened your hearts. Think about what you're saying, honestly.

Evil Zionists, wanting to respond to terrorism.

By killing kids?

You realize all that accomplishes is creating more terrorists, right?

[Ifreann]

Evil Zionists, wanting to respond to terrorism.

By killing kids?

You realize all that accomplishes is creating more terrorists, right?

Ah, but don't you see? To the Zionist's eyes these people are all already terrorists. They are terrorising Israel by not already being dead and out of the way.

[Post War America]

And of course we're just going to take the people accused of war crimes at their own word... at least when its convenient to do so geopolitically.

Mhm, totally unbelievable that the same people and employed systematic rape and murder upon Jews would use child soldiers.

No, what's unbelievable is the IDF doing due diligence to verify that all the children they are killing are actually child soldiers. Like, mass killing fighting age men on the suspicion that they might be fighters is ghoulish enough, but when it comes to kids I'm sorry. No amount of risk to personnel in an ostensibly well equipped semiprofessional army is too high to verify that the literal fucking children you are murdering are actually a threat.

Then again you consistently bend over backwards to justify ANY atrocity committed by the IDF, or any violence inflicted by people who think they've gone too far.

[Turenia]

Mhm, totally unbelievable that the same people and employed systematic rape and murder upon Jews would use child soldiers.

No, what's unbelievable is the IDF doing due diligence to verify that all the children they are killing are actually child soldiers. Like, mass killing fighting age men on the suspicion that they might be fighters is ghoulish enough, but when it comes to kids I'm sorry. No amount of risk to personnel in an ostensibly well equipped semiprofessional army is too high to verify that the literal fucking children you are murdering are actually a threat.

Then again you consistently bend over backwards to justify ANY atrocity committed by the IDF, or any violence inflicted by people who think they've gone too far.

I don't, at all. The IDF is fighting against a guerilla terrorist organization in a densely-packed area. This kind of thing is a tragedy, but will happen.

Of course, the same people shrieking about IDF atrocities are the ones who had/have a brain aneurysm or say "yes, BUT..." whenever they were/are asked to condemn Hamas.

[Ifreann]

No, what's unbelievable is the IDF doing due diligence to verify that all the children they are killing are actually child soldiers. Like, mass killing fighting age men on the suspicion that they might be fighters is ghoulish enough, but when it comes to kids I'm sorry. No amount of risk to personnel in an ostensibly well equipped semiprofessional army is too high to verify that the literal fucking children you are murdering are actually a threat.

Then again you consistently bend over backwards to justify ANY atrocity committed by the IDF, or any violence inflicted by people who think they've gone too far.

I don't, at all. The IDF is fighting against a guerilla terrorist organization in a densely-packed area. This kind of thing is a tragedy, but will happen.

Filling mass graves with doctors is just one of those unavoidable consequences of war, and really we can't blame the IDF for doing it.

[Big Eyed Animation]

As I mentioned in my reply to Sarduri, I have the utmost respect for the right to non violent protest but I also respect a person's right to their property.

King won on both levels. His non violent protesting literally left zero room for his opponents to justify retaliation. As mentioned earlier, besides flat out racism, the white supremacists had zero excuse for cracking down on the protestors the way they did. Boycotts? Sit ins? Nothing they did ever really harmed another person physically nor restricted another person's right to engage in daily activities. The most I would say he did was block traffic l, which besides the exception for emergency vehicles, I take no issue. At the same time however, anyone blocking traffic still violated someone else's rights to go from place to place. They shouldn't be surprised if they get arrested either as there is still rule of law. At most these guys block traffic again and get arrested again.

My man, you are justifying retaliation against protesters by nonsense appeals to imaginary acts of violence, do you think that people weren't doing that during the civil rights movement?

If there are assaults happening then law enforcement needs to be involved, it isn't that hard to figure out. Like you know, physically hitting or shoving people, or grabbing people ya get me?

Also, if people are trespassing it's a property rights issue and if the property owner wants the protesters gone, they gotta go.

[Big Eyed Animation]

Sure and that was often by white supremacists politicians, often in the south. It sure was a good thing that a primary supporter of the civil rights many victories consisted of the supreme Court ruling in favor of King.

the deadliest civil rights movement riots were in Newark, Chicago, Los Angeles, and Detroit - king directly caused all of them

I don't see King at any of these locations pre protest/riot egging people on by screaming kill whitey or death to America. I have seen it at pro Palestine protests though with death to Jews, Zionist and even Americans. Again I will mention that words alone are not incitement but if people start getting violent after said speech.

I don't think anything I have seen qualifies for MLK to be equates to as a militant. A militant more aptly describes the Black Panthers or the rhetoric of Malcolm X.

[Ifreann]

My man, you are justifying retaliation against protesters by nonsense appeals to imaginary acts of violence, do you think that people weren't doing that during the civil rights movement?

If there are assaults happening then law enforcement needs to be involved, it isn't that hard to figure out. Like you know, physically hitting or shoving people, or grabbing people ya get me?

Also, if people are trespassing it's a property rights issue and if the property owner wants the protesters gone, they gotta go.

And if you believe that a police response is necessary to the student protests across America now then if you'd been alive in the 60s you'd have been calling for the police to crack down on the violence and trespass of the civil rights marches.

[Turenia]

I don't, at all. The IDF is fighting against a guerilla terrorist organization in a densely-packed area. This kind of thing is a tragedy, but will happen.

Filling mass graves with doctors is just one of those unavoidable consequences of war, and really we can't blame the IDF for doing it.

Let's be honest; it's probably a completely sensationalized story, like everything else produced by the pro-Palestine lobby.

If there are assaults happening then law enforcement needs to be involved, it isn't that hard to figure out. Like you know, physically hitting or shoving people, or grabbing people ya get me?

Also, if people are trespassing it's a property rights issue and if the property owner wants the protesters gone, they gotta go.

And if you believe that a police response is necessary to the student protests across America now then if you'd been alive in the 60s you'd have been calling for the police to crack down on the violence and trespass of the civil rights marches.

They're trespassing and the landowner wants them removed. That necessitates a police response.

[Vassenor]

Hamas is antisemitic, by its own declaration, and damn proud of it. Israel has a considerable Arab population whereas Gaza has practically zero Jewish inhabitants. Try to figure out why is that so.

That Israeli bombing has killed 30,000 civilians and most of them children is a report solely based on Hamas controlled sources. The amount is considerably higher than the number Ukrainians report as the number of their children killed at war, and unlike Israel, Russia just cynically slaughers civilians (or 'nazis' and 'fascists' as they call them). The number is probably just made up for propaganda. And as strangely as the number turned up, it has stayed the same for months.

It is only for the absurdity of the whole matter why some student-bs support hamas. Hamas is evil and it would execute most of its western supporters right away. These demonstrating loonies only gets some dopamine for each absurdity they manage to score as a political victory, they believe they're so superior that they can do as they please, they think they'll never die, and that they are forever forgiven everything. Their current 'identity' grants them their 'salvation'.

So what are the real casualty numbers?

[Ifreann]

Filling mass graves with doctors is just one of those unavoidable consequences of war, and really we can't blame the IDF for doing it.

Let's be honest; it's probably a completely sensationalized story, like everything else produced by the pro-Palestine lobby.

Let's be honest, it's probably even worse than we've yet discovered.

And if you believe that a police response is necessary to the student protests across America now then if you'd been alive in the 60s you'd have been calling for the police to crack down on the violence and trespass of the civil rights marches.

They're trespassing and the landowner wants them removed. That necessitates a police response.

Funny thing about that is no it doesn't.

[Post War America]

No, what's unbelievable is the IDF doing due diligence to verify that all the children they are killing are actually child soldiers. Like, mass killing fighting age men on the suspicion that they might be fighters is ghoulish enough, but when it comes to kids I'm sorry. No amount of risk to personnel in an ostensibly well equipped semiprofessional army is too high to verify that the literal fucking children you are murdering are actually a threat.

Then again you consistently bend over backwards to justify ANY atrocity committed by the IDF, or any violence inflicted by people who think they've gone too far.

I don't, at all. The IDF is fighting against a guerilla terrorist organization in a densely-packed area. This kind of thing is a tragedy, but will happen.

Of course, the same people shrieking about IDF atrocities are the ones who had/have a brain aneurysm or say "yes, BUT..." whenever they were/are asked to condemn Hamas.

Fighting a counterinsurgency doesn't require bombing apartment blocks with 1000 kilo bombs, nor does it justify failing to do due diligence to properly identify the children you kill. Especially if one runs around calling themselves the "most moral military in the world". Hell, the US specifically stopped using said 1000 kilo bombs in exactly these circumstances for a reason.

[Kobenhavn]

When a war happens, both sides are responsible for the lives of their people. There’s no right and wrong, just like Russo-Ukraine war

[Turenia]

I don't, at all. The IDF is fighting against a guerilla terrorist organization in a densely-packed area. This kind of thing is a tragedy, but will happen.

Of course, the same people shrieking about IDF atrocities are the ones who had/have a brain aneurysm or say "yes, BUT..." whenever they were/are asked to condemn Hamas.

Fighting a counterinsurgency doesn't require bombing apartment blocks with 1000 kilo bombs, nor does it justify failing to do due diligence to properly identify the children you kill. Especially if one runs around calling themselves the "most moral military in the world". Hell, the US specifically stopped using said 1000 kilo bombs in exactly these circumstances for a reason.

There's no such thing as a "moral military". But, in this fight, Israel isn't the one who uses mass rape and hostage-taking as a weapon.

When a war happens, both sides are responsible for the lives of their people. There’s no right and wrong, just like Russo-Ukraine war

Yes, there absolutely is wrong. Hamas and Russia are wrong.

[HISPIDA]

Fighting a counterinsurgency doesn't require bombing apartment blocks with 1000 kilo bombs, nor does it justify failing to do due diligence to properly identify the children you kill. Especially if one runs around calling themselves the "most moral military in the world". Hell, the US specifically stopped using said 1000 kilo bombs in exactly these circumstances for a reason.

There's no such thing as a "moral military". But, in this fight, Israel isn't the one who uses mass rape and hostage-taking as a weapon.

no. instead, they use audio of women and children crying out for help to target palestinian civilians and drone strikes against international aid workers.

[Vassenor]

Fighting a counterinsurgency doesn't require bombing apartment blocks with 1000 kilo bombs, nor does it justify failing to do due diligence to properly identify the children you kill. Especially if one runs around calling themselves the "most moral military in the world". Hell, the US specifically stopped using said 1000 kilo bombs in exactly these circumstances for a reason.

There's no such thing as a "moral military". But, in this fight, Israel isn't the one who uses mass rape and hostage-taking as a weapon.

When a war happens, both sides are responsible for the lives of their people. There’s no right and wrong, just like Russo-Ukraine war

Yes, there absolutely is wrong. Hamas and Russia are wrong.

Claims of Israeli sexual assault of Palestinian women are credible, UN panel says

[Etwepe]

Zionism isn't nationalist, it wants a nation for Jews, which is different

[Cerula]

Zionism isn't nationalist, it wants a nation for Jews, which is different

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalism

[Glorious Freedonia]

Except they’re not just killing terrorists. They’re killing civilians.

If reports are to be believed (and I believe they are), ~14,000 of those killed "terrorists" are children.

The terrorists killed those civilians. The terrorists must be stopped! The good guys are responding to what the bad guys did. If there is collateral damage, that is mostly on the bad guys for hiding among civilians like cowards. If the good guys can mitigate collateral damage then they should and likely are. However, the ultimate guilt of killing innocents lies with the bad guys. This is not ethnic cleansing on Israel's part. It is a sad situation though.

[Big Eyed Animation]

If there are assaults happening then law enforcement needs to be involved, it isn't that hard to figure out. Like you know, physically hitting or shoving people, or grabbing people ya get me?

Also, if people are trespassing it's a property rights issue and if the property owner wants the protesters gone, they gotta go.

And if you believe that a police response is necessary to the student protests across America now then if you'd been alive in the 60s you'd have been calling for the police to crack down on the violence and trespass of the civil rights marches.

I don't remember the civil rights marchers, led by a reverend, wading into the police forces fighting punching and kicking like it was a recreation of 300. I also didn't see King shoving and grabbing the white supremacists either? Kind of defeats the whole purpose of non violence?

And no obviously the Black Panthers and Malcolm X types are not the same as MLKs guys.

Are you actually proposing letting student protesters shove, grab and hit people?

[Etwepe]

Hamas killed first responders first during October 7. They also used HUMAN SHIELDS.
but of course, Israel is the problem for wanting a to be in a state that doesn't want to kill them.

[HISPIDA]

Zionism isn't nationalist, it wants a nation for Jews, which is different

if a movement wants a nation, then it is a nationalist movement. this is basic social studies shit.

[Uiiop]

And if you believe that a police response is necessary to the student protests across America now then if you'd been alive in the 60s you'd have been calling for the police to crack down on the violence and trespass of the civil rights marches.

I don't remember the civil rights marchers, led by a reverend, wading into the police forces fighting punching and kicking like it was a recreation of 300.

And no obviously the Black Panthers and Malcolm X types are not the same as MLKs guys.

Are you actually proposing letting student protesters shove, grab and hit people?

You're asserting a difference people in the 1960's didn't bother seeing and are asking why you support someone who wasn't their token "law and order" black person and played apologists for riots.

[Big Eyed Animation]

I don't remember the civil rights marchers, led by a reverend, wading into the police forces fighting punching and kicking like it was a recreation of 300.

And no obviously the Black Panthers and Malcolm X types are not the same as MLKs guys.

Are you actually proposing letting student protesters shove, grab and hit people?

You're asserting a difference people in the 1960's didn't bother seeing and are asking why you support someone who wasn't their token "law and order" black person and played apologists for riots.

So if your not violently protesting like an asshole than it's tokenism or your somehow not a hard enough protestor?

[Ineva]

By killing kids?

You realize all that accomplishes is creating more terrorists, right?

Ah, but don't you see? To the Zionist's eyes these people are all already terrorists. They are terrorising Israel by not already being dead and out of the way.

That just frankly is not the case. Maybe if you have been talking to Kahanists and Bibi's associates, yes, but the vast, vast majority of Zionists do not think that way.