2023-24 Israel-Hamas-Hezbollah-Iran-Houthi Conflict

[HISPIDA]

hearing booming or maybe very loud bangs on the radio. might've just been audio distortion.

[Sarduri]

the justification cited by things like the White House’s statement on the matter highlights the protests’ antisemitism, not violence. And the antisemitism is always not elaborated on.

Antisemitism has been reported, it would be pretty silly to claim that anti-Israeli protests would not include some people joining the protests in bad faith. Happens all the time with protests when more extreme and undesired parties join.

you did exactly what these press releases do there - report 'antisemitism', which is never elaborated on. is it agents provocateur? is it people shouting 'from the river to the sea'? is it people getting into arguments with Shai Davidai? we don't know. and at this point the lack of evidentiation is, evidently, the point.

[HISPIDA]

barricade seems to be over. police officers are exiting campus, music is going to start playing on WKCR again.

[Vrbo]

Antisemitism has been reported, it would be pretty silly to claim that anti-Israeli protests would not include some people joining the protests in bad faith. Happens all the time with protests when more extreme and undesired parties join.

you did exactly what these press releases do there - report 'antisemitism', which is never elaborated on. is it agents provocateur? is it people shouting 'from the river to the sea'? is it people getting into arguments with Shai Davidai? we don't know. and at this point the lack of evidentiation is, evidently, the point.

Video of Palestinian activist saying Jew Jews, fuck you, go back to Poland.

Video of Palestinian activists harassing Jewish students.

Compilation of even more.

I cherrypicked these ones that were explicitly anti-semetic as opposed to anti-zionist. Targeting Jewish people specifically on the basis that they are Jewish and harassing them. It's funny how you are just outright rejecting what I said and then just say that because you are not aware of it in a specific form, it simply cannot exist outside of the abstract of news articles. I see no evil, there was no evil.

When I say in bad faith, I mean anti-semites deliberately joining a protest that has attempted to portray themselves as specifically anti-Israeli and not anti-semetic. Unsure what's up with the quotes, as if these things do not exist or only exist in the abstract.

Antisemites aren't deliberately joining as part of some obfuscation or subterfuge. They are earnest in their beliefs. You can't separate them because this is an ethnic conflict. Israel is a nationalist state, and the Palestine cause is a nationalist cause. That means to win you must defeat your enemy, including their demographic mass.

The "bad faith" is in quotes because there is nothing bad faith about a Palestinian nationalist hating jews. It comes with the territory because if they aren't antisemitic, they will die. The "antisemites" are in quotes because antisemitism here is really just palestinian arab nationalism. it'd be like saying that zionism is actually anti-arabism.

It is a possibility that Anti-semites are deliberately joining a cause that is motivated by Anti-Zionism in an effort to target Jewish people, even those that are opposed to the idea of a Zionist state. You can indeed separate an anti-zionist from an anti-semite. This is just absolutist form of rejection of the idea that the two are coterminous and inseparable.

[Pasong Tirad]

Terrorists are not a race of people. Killing terrorists is not genocide. Terrorists tortured and killed people and took hostages. As far as I know, these criminals are still at large. There are still hostages who have not been released. Rescuing hostages, killing terrorists, and arresting criminals is not genocide or ethnic cleansing or anything remotely wrong. Terrorists and criminals can be of any race. Going after them is the pursuit of justice and is heroic.

Except they’re not just killing terrorists. They’re killing civilians.

If reports are to be believed (and I believe they are), ~14,000 of those killed "terrorists" are children.

[Stratonesia]

Except they’re not just killing terrorists. They’re killing civilians.

If reports are to be believed (and I believe they are), ~14,000 of those killed "terrorists" are children.

Because according to the IDF, "children = Hamas".

[Tesseris]

If reports are to be believed (and I believe they are), ~14,000 of those killed "terrorists" are children.

Because according to the IDF, "children = Hamas".

To be fair, children can be terrorists, and this actually happens more often than you'd think. Israel cannot afford to give them the benefit of the doubt, they are at war, and giving such benefit of doubt puts their citizenry at risk. It is therefore in their national interest to kill any suspected terrorists, making such actions justified.

[Unmet Player]

Because according to the IDF, "children = Hamas".

To be fair, children can be terrorists, and this actually happens more often than you'd think. Israel cannot afford to give them the benefit of the doubt, they are at war, and giving such benefit of doubt puts their citizenry at risk. It is therefore in their national interest to kill any suspected terrorists, making such actions justified.

To be fair, children can be terrorists

Doesn't mean they should be killed

[Tesseris]

To be fair, children can be terrorists, and this actually happens more often than you'd think. Israel cannot afford to give them the benefit of the doubt, they are at war, and giving such benefit of doubt puts their citizenry at risk. It is therefore in their national interest to kill any suspected terrorists, making such actions justified.

To be fair, children can be terrorists

Doesn't mean they should be killed

Disagree, a terrorist is a terrorist and should be treated as such, or else you're creating an exploitable loophole that such terrorist and their evil organizations to use against legitimate state actors.

[Unmet Player]

Doesn't mean they should be killed

Disagree, a terrorist is a terrorist and should be treated as such, or else you're creating an exploitable loophole that such terrorist and their evil organizations to use against legitimate state actors.

A child is a child and should be treated as such

[Vrbo]

Saying that a child soldier that is pressed against their will into doing the bidding of evil, they must be slain is a genuinely barbaric. Saying that killing any child even suspected of terrorism is justified, is even worse. Justice is blind, not heartless.

[Post War America]

Because according to the IDF, "children = Hamas".

To be fair, children can be terrorists, and this actually happens more often than you'd think. Israel cannot afford to give them the benefit of the doubt, they are at war, and giving such benefit of doubt puts their citizenry at risk. It is therefore in their national interest to kill any suspected terrorists, making such actions justified.

By this logic, off duty IDF members should be treated as combatants, and therefore most of the people killed at the music festival were legitimate targets on account of being adult Israeli citizens who more like than not have undergone military service and are part of Israel's military reserve.

[Turenia]

Child soldiers should not be executed, that would be a war crime.

However, a child soldier who is killed while taking part in combat is fair game.

[Stratonesia]

Child soldiers should not be executed, that would be a war crime.

However, a child soldier who is killed while taking part in combat is fair game.

Who'd let a kid hold a gun and fire?

[Turenia]

Child soldiers should not be executed, that would be a war crime.

However, a child soldier who is killed while taking part in combat is fair game.

Who'd let a kid hold a gun and fire?

What exactly do you think a child soldier is?

[Post War America]

Child soldiers should not be executed, that would be a war crime.

However, a child soldier who is killed while taking part in combat is fair game.

And of course we're just going to take the people accused of war crimes at their own word... at least when its convenient to do so geopolitically.

[Arcturus Novus]

Ah, NSG, where the death of 14,000 children can be justified because "they might've been terrorists".

Zionism has blackened your hearts. Think about what you're saying, honestly.

[Turenia]

Child soldiers should not be executed, that would be a war crime.

However, a child soldier who is killed while taking part in combat is fair game.

And of course we're just going to take the people accused of war crimes at their own word... at least when its convenient to do so geopolitically.

Mhm, totally unbelievable that the same people and employed systematic rape and murder upon Jews would use child soldiers.

Ah, NSG, where the death of 14,000 children can be justified because "they might've been terrorists".

Zionism has blackened your hearts. Think about what you're saying, honestly.

Evil Zionists, wanting to respond to terrorism.

[Etwepe]

Evil Zionists, wanting to respond to terrorism.

Yes, imagine a group that wants to live in a country that doesn't want to kill them, that's very evil.
(Still sarcastic, btw)

[Ifreann]

And of course we're just going to take the people accused of war crimes at their own word... at least when its convenient to do so geopolitically.

Mhm, totally unbelievable that the same people and employed systematic rape and murder upon Jews would use child soldiers.

Ah, NSG, where the death of 14,000 children can be justified because "they might've been terrorists".

Zionism has blackened your hearts. Think about what you're saying, honestly.

Evil Zionists, wanting to respond to terrorism.

By killing thousands and thousands of children, with airstrikes targetted by fucking ChatGPT.

[Ineva]

Ah, NSG, where the death of 14,000 children can be justified because "they might've been terrorists".

Zionism has blackened your hearts. Think about what you're saying, honestly.

Zionism is not inherently evil, no more than the need for a Christian or a Muslim state is.

[The New South Hardwick]

Hamas is antisemitic, by its own declaration, and damn proud of it. Israel has a considerable Arab population whereas Gaza has practically zero Jewish inhabitants. Try to figure out why is that so.

That Israeli bombing has killed 30,000 civilians and most of them children is a report solely based on Hamas controlled sources. The amount is considerably higher than the number Ukrainians report as the number of their children killed at war, and unlike Israel, Russia just cynically slaughers civilians (or 'nazis' and 'fascists' as they call them). The number is probably just made up for propaganda. And as strangely as the number turned up, it has stayed the same for months.

It is only for the absurdity of the whole matter why some student-bs support hamas. Hamas is evil and it would execute most of its western supporters right away. These demonstrating loonies only gets some dopamine for each absurdity they manage to score as a political victory, they believe they're so superior that they can do as they please, they think they'll never die, and that they are forever forgiven everything. Their current 'identity' grants them their 'salvation'.

[Cerula]

Ah, NSG, where the death of 14,000 children can be justified because "they might've been terrorists".

Zionism has blackened your hearts. Think about what you're saying, honestly.

Zionism is not inherently evil, no more than the need for a Christian or a Muslim state is.

all nationalism is bad, actually

[Port Carverton]

Zionism is not inherently evil, no more than the need for a Christian or a Muslim state is.

all nationalism is bad, actually

Nationalism is good, actually.

[Juristonia]

If I caught myself starting to advocate for child murder, I'd start questioning if I was still on the right side of the issue.

But I'm just quirky like that.