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Zancostan
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Zancostan » Tue Apr 09, 2024 7:25 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Pale Dawn wrote:
This shows great leaps in human society but does nothing to suggest humanity will become less fractious or will band together under one government that is somehow able to lead the world cohesively. If we look at the global economy it is a system largely of the haves and the have nots which exploits people on a massive scale. If you were to create a global government based on that kind of a interconnected network it could work for a short time but would require unsustainable exploitation and abuse. Things that tend to cause unrest and fractures in societies.


I never said a united earth would be the triumph of liberalism.




How "United" does a "United Earth" have to be to be "United"?

Cuz like, we barely have a United Kingdom. Or a United States.
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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Apr 09, 2024 8:29 pm

Zancostan wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
I never said a united earth would be the triumph of liberalism.




How "United" does a "United Earth" have to be to be "United"?

Cuz like, we barely have a United Kingdom. Or a United States.


Well, we're certainly never gonna be as unified as the Borg.
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Postby Dogmeat » Tue Apr 09, 2024 10:04 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Zancostan wrote:


How "United" does a "United Earth" have to be to be "United"?

Cuz like, we barely have a United Kingdom. Or a United States.


Well, we're certainly never gonna be as unified as the Borg.

Well not with that attitude.
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Tarsonis
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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Apr 09, 2024 10:11 pm

Dogmeat wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Well, we're certainly never gonna be as unified as the Borg.

Well not with that attitude.



THE LINE MUST BE DRAWN HERE! THIS FAR NO FURTHER!
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Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
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Anarchy

Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Wed Apr 10, 2024 12:30 am

I'm going to be brutally honest.

I don't want the electorates of Russia, China, M.E.N.A., etc, (in their current state) to have any say in the domestic policy of where I live. So any world-government would have to either be an imperialist dictatorship dominated by the west, or an extremely loose and confederal state where the world/federal branch has very little say over the domestic policy of its constituent countries.
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Postby Europa Undivided » Wed Apr 10, 2024 6:29 am

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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Zancostan » Wed Apr 10, 2024 7:18 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:I'm going to be brutally honest.

I don't want the electorates of Russia, China, M.E.N.A., etc, (in their current state) to have any say in the domestic policy of where I live. So any world-government would have to either be an imperialist dictatorship dominated by the west, or an extremely loose and confederal state where the world/federal branch has very little say over the domestic policy of its constituent countries.


They clearly do have a say in the domestic policy of where you live. That's globalization at work.

Chinese firms are building in areas all over the world and Russia's invasion of Ukraine has affected nearly everyone's domestic policy.
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Neo-Hermitius
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Postby Neo-Hermitius » Wed Apr 10, 2024 10:51 am

It isn't possible. I personally think it would be cool if there were strong regional governments. However it isn't possible and will crumble very soon. Which could lead to a tyrannical dictator becoming the world leader or anarchy or something else entirely.
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Zancostan
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Postby Zancostan » Wed Apr 10, 2024 11:25 am

Neo-Hermitius wrote:It isn't possible. I personally think it would be cool if there were strong regional governments. However it isn't possible and will crumble very soon. Which could lead to a tyrannical dictator becoming the world leader or anarchy or something else entirely.


I'm sure somebody said something along these lines during the constitutional convention of 1787.
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Tarsonis
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Tarsonis » Wed Apr 10, 2024 11:51 am

Europa Undivided wrote:There must be one mind, one will. Be one with the Swarm and we will have true unity.


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Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
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Barinive
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Barinive » Tue Apr 16, 2024 6:08 am

Honestly, to achieve a united earth could be possible in the future, if tensions are low enough, we are probably the closest to the third world war in this specific year (for future or alien archaeologists: 2024), so the UN will have to get wars to end somehow. The world government should be based on fighting climate change (since at this point in time, it is the biggest threat on life on earth besides humanity) the name should be like "Unified International Federation" or something, and its main goal should be to: Promote peace between its member states, find solutions to problems such as cilmate change, and ensure all humans could comfortably live (this could be done by a high-income capital gains tax, with the money redistributed to the poor) while having a mostly free market. It should abolish all militaries, and replace them with highly-trained community police units for policing, and special police forces for defensive operations such as counter-terrorism. Also, i think it should not be a democracy, it should probably be a Noocracy/Technocracy, with all the parliamentarians and ministers elected internally, but it should also still have large rights to free speech and free press.
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