Climate Change Deniers: Explain the Size of my Sheep

[The Naacal]

Ok, I get the point already.

Do any of you people believe that *any* report or scientific paper saying global warming is not a critical danger is not some sort of oil company influenced item?

I'm just curious about that.

And as far as Haliburton, we should have been given all the money given to them, and spent on Iraq for that matter, and built more nuclear plants. It both makes us more independent from foreign oil, creates jobs, and cuts down on the carbon dioxide emissions.

Yes there is nuclear waste, but reprocessing can reduce that.

At this point I almost wish they had conversion reactors, so they could throw Haliburton in them. As far as Iraq, quite frankly Saddam could have been more effectively dealt with by some wetworks types. They should have concentrated from the beginning on Afghanistan. That's where the terrorists were.

And are.

[Desperate Measures]

Ok, I get the point already.

Do any of you people believe that *any* report or scientific paper saying global warming is not a critical danger is not some sort of oil company influenced item?

I'm just curious about that.

And as far as Haliburton, we should have been given all the money given to them, and spent on Iraq for that matter, and built more nuclear plants. It both makes us more independent from foreign oil, creates jobs, and cuts down on the carbon dioxide emissions.

Yes there is nuclear waste, but reprocessing can reduce that.

At this point I almost wish they had conversion reactors, so they could throw Haliburton in them. As far as Iraq, quite frankly Saddam could have been more effectively dealt with by some wetworks types. They should have concentrated from the beginning on Afghanistan. That's where the terrorists were.

And are.

I believe that the reports critical of climate change that are not influenced by an oil company are reports which are not influenced by an oil company. Point out a report, I'll put some magic google voodoo on it and decide.

[Intangelon]

Note my location. Note the last two winters we've had. Two "one-hundred-year winters" back to bleeding back.

Yes, climate is changing.

Human activity is probably not the only cause, but I believe that it is certainly an exacerbation. The problem is that masses of people don't respond well to nuance, so the debate eventually gets reduced to "NOTHING IS HAPPENING" vs "WE ARE DOOMED", or some variation thereof.

I'll be dead before it's any huge consequence, so the debate rings pretty hollow to me. And no, I have no children and won't have any unless the population of other children I'd want mine to hang out with increases.

[JarVik]

Ok, I get the point already.

Do any of you people believe that *any* report or scientific paper saying global warming is not a critical danger is not some sort of oil company influenced item?

I'm just curious about that.

And as far as Haliburton, we should have been given all the money given to them, and spent on Iraq for that matter, and built more nuclear plants. It both makes us more independent from foreign oil, creates jobs, and cuts down on the carbon dioxide emissions.

Yes there is nuclear waste, but reprocessing can reduce that.

At this point I almost wish they had conversion reactors, so they could throw Haliburton in them. As far as Iraq, quite frankly Saddam could have been more effectively dealt with by some wetworks types. They should have concentrated from the beginning on Afghanistan. That's where the terrorists were.

And are.

I consider myself a scientist so I'm always willing to read through some evidence on something that interests me, furthermore I expect that for some species and some people there will be some benifit from a warmer world. The broad implications to us and most of the current ecosystems it is a negative. The human adaptation issues are likely to be pretty bad in a situation that proceeds a la buisness as usual. Now I don't get my info from Greenpeace or other wackjobs but I think the evidence is strongly in favour of humanity being the major if not complete driver of 20th-21st century GW.

Considering some of the bad crap that could happen I actually wish the planets sensitivity to CO2 and CH4 etc was weaker than is currently thought but I make plans on what is known/suspected not what I wish was true.

I wish the US govt had spent its Iraq war chest on building nuclear reactors and closed down coal plants. Fuel recycling most definetly has a place to reduce the waste greatly. That and more advanced reactor designs should be pursued as opposed to the lost money and time pursuing ethanol and hydrogen battaries (they are very poor energy sources).

I also agree that Afganistan should have been pursued and not Iraq, though I don't trust haliburton to give taxpayers fair value for their money without some one watching them closely.

[Grays Harbor]

Explain the Size of my Sheep

OK, depending on your locale, you measure from either the top of the head, or the back. Then follow it down to the point where it meets the ground. That should give you the size.

I'm sorry. I couldn't resist. I am a bad bad person.

[Muravyets]

All I am saying is vulcanism can, has, and will have a far more drastic effect on the climate then industry has.

Yellowstone I was just mentioning as the single greatest volcanic event that could happen. It is "overdue" to erupt based on it's history, but that of course is in geological scale. It may not go off for a thousand years. Or it could erupt next month.

And if lightning strikes my house and causes a fire that burns it to the ground, that will make a bigger mess of the place than if I never wash my dishes. But that doesn't mean I shouldn't wash my dishes.

So, yeah, I'll just dismiss your remark as an irrelevancy.

[Muravyets]

I do not believe there is enough evidence from non-politcally biased sources available to determine if climate change is being caused my man's actions.

Do you believe there is enough evidence from non-politically biased sources available to determine that exposure to massive amounts of industrial and consumer pollution of air and water supplies is bad for human health?

[BunnySaurus Bugsii]

Note my location.

Um, how do I do that?

[Intangelon]

Note my location.

Um, how do I do that?

Crap. My bad, I was Jolt-minded there, I apologize. I'm in Spokane, WA, USA.

[Desperate Measures]

Explain the Size of my Sheep

OK, depending on your locale, you measure from either the top of the head, or the back. Then follow it down to the point where it meets the ground. That should give you the size.

I'm sorry. I couldn't resist. I am a bad bad person.

Never resist what is funny!

[Rhodmhire]

Are there still people who deny that the climate is changing? Aren't most of them arguing that it's not man-made?

Climate change is real, nobody denies that--it's the man-made apocalyptic fear-mongering false-media climate change that I don't buy.

[Pope Joan]

Explain the Size of my Sheep

OK, depending on your locale, you measure from either the top of the head, or the back. Then follow it down to the point where it meets the ground. That should give you the size.

I'm sorry. I couldn't resist. I am a bad bad person.

Cue Steve Carell.

[Grays Harbor]

Explain the Size of my Sheep

OK, depending on your locale, you measure from either the top of the head, or the back. Then follow it down to the point where it meets the ground. That should give you the size.

I'm sorry. I couldn't resist. I am a bad bad person.

Cue Steve Carell.

who was brilliant in Get Smart, by the way.

[Secruss]

http://www.fadeeva.com/beasts/miniature_sheep3.jpg

[The Naacal]

I do not believe there is enough evidence from non-politcally biased sources available to determine if climate change is being caused my man's actions.

Do you believe there is enough evidence from non-politically biased sources available to determine that exposure to massive amounts of industrial and consumer pollution of air and water supplies is bad for human health?

I never said pollution was a good thing. In fact I said quite the opposite.

I was stating that I have doubts about the theory of global warming with respect to what percentage is caused by man as opposed to natural geological factors. That is all.

[Big Jim P]

"In the past, only the big, healthy sheep and large lambs that had piled on weight in their first summer could survive the harsh winters on Hirta," said Professor Coulson.
Because of climate change, he explained, grass for food is now available for more months of the year on the island.
"Survival conditions are not so challenging - even the slower growing sheep have a chance of making it, and this means smaller individuals are becoming increasingly prevalent in the population," he said.
"Young mums" tend to give birth to smaller lambs
The team also found that younger sheep tended to give birth to smaller lambs - a phenomenon they termed "the young mum effect".
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8130907.stm

"That doesn't mean that animals will adapt and thrive in a warmer world. Far from it — by some estimates, rapid climate change could drive as many as one-third of the species on the planet out of existence by mid-century. Though warmer winters in blustery Scotland might sound nice — especially if you're a sheep on the small side — the changes due to global warming are likely to be far from positive in most parts of the world. Evolution will help species adapt, but there's a term for what happens when the pace of evolution can't match the pace of climate change: extinction. "http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1908411,00.html?iid=tsmodule

So? I'm waiting. I hold the deniers directly responsible for the size of my sheep.
Also, because this isn't hugely negative, do you think the deniers will use this as a "See? Climate Change isn't so bad."

Young mums?

This sounds like a teen pregnancy issue!

Teach them to abstain, "just say no"!

Sheer genius!

Personally I think its the addition of human DNA to the sheeps gene pool.

[The Naacal]

"In the past, only the big, healthy sheep and large lambs that had piled on weight in their first summer could survive the harsh winters on Hirta," said Professor Coulson.
Because of climate change, he explained, grass for food is now available for more months of the year on the island.
"Survival conditions are not so challenging - even the slower growing sheep have a chance of making it, and this means smaller individuals are becoming increasingly prevalent in the population," he said.
"Young mums" tend to give birth to smaller lambs
The team also found that younger sheep tended to give birth to smaller lambs - a phenomenon they termed "the young mum effect".
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8130907.stm

"That doesn't mean that animals will adapt and thrive in a warmer world. Far from it — by some estimates, rapid climate change could drive as many as one-third of the species on the planet out of existence by mid-century. Though warmer winters in blustery Scotland might sound nice — especially if you're a sheep on the small side — the changes due to global warming are likely to be far from positive in most parts of the world. Evolution will help species adapt, but there's a term for what happens when the pace of evolution can't match the pace of climate change: extinction. "http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1908411,00.html?iid=tsmodule

So? I'm waiting. I hold the deniers directly responsible for the size of my sheep.
Also, because this isn't hugely negative, do you think the deniers will use this as a "See? Climate Change isn't so bad."

Young mums?

This sounds like a teen pregnancy issue!

Teach them to abstain, "just say no"!

Sheer genius!

Personally I think its the addition of human DNA to the sheeps gene pool.

So sheep buggery causes global warming? Christ that's going to piss off New Zealand!

[Russia Untied]

Your right! Your sheep are prove Global warmming is happening! We should get rid of cars, stop drilling for oil, tear down all factories!

Wake up. This happens all the time. The earth is always changing. It warms up and cools down. The sun is more active right now and is also helping to raise tempetures. So what? Humans have gone through this before and survied and we will again.

Just because a few countires elect dumb leaders that hurt business with radical green laws doesnt mean the rest of the world is dumb enough to. We should be expending business not hurting them. In case you have notice there is a Gobal economic cirsis going on. Hurting busineses is the last thing we want to do. If you think making more regualtion on businesses are a good idea because you and a few others think you can stop climate change than you are out of touch of the real world. Nothing you do will change the fact the earth is going have it's climate change throughout it's life.

While these countries hurt their economies by trying to stop climate change the rest of us are going to build more factories, drill for more oil, build cars, and expand business. Have fun destorying your economies!

[Desperate Measures]

Your right! Your sheep are prove Global warmming is happening! We should get rid of cars, stop drilling for oil, tear down all factories!

Wake up. This happens all the time. The earth is always changing. It warms up and cools down. The sun is more active right now and is also helping to raise tempetures. So what? Humans have gone through this before and survied and we will again.

Just because a few countires elect dumb leaders that hurt business with radical green laws doesnt mean the rest of the world is dumb enough to. We should be expending business not hurting them. In case you have notice there is a Gobal economic cirsis going on. Hurting busineses is the last thing we want to do. If you think making more regualtion on businesses are a good idea because you and a few others think you can stop climate change than you are out of touch of the real world. Nothing you do will change the fact the earth is going have it's climate change throughout it's life.

While these countries hurt their economies by trying to stop climate change the rest of us are going to build more factories, drill for more oil, build cars, and expand business. Have fun destorying your economies!

Um... I think you are taking the light and humorous story as some sort of proof that climate change is a bad thing. I wouldn't use that story in this way. There are a lot of other reports that I could use in order to prove that.

And should we really be expending business? How do you propose we expend a business? And doesn't that go against all of your other points?

[Desperate Measures]

Are there still people who deny that the climate is changing? Aren't most of them arguing that it's not man-made?

Climate change is real, nobody denies that--it's the man-made apocalyptic fear-mongering false-media climate change that I don't buy.

Can't make you face facts, I suppose.

[Dyakovo]

Are there still people who deny that the climate is changing? Aren't most of them arguing that it's not man-made?

Climate change is real, nobody denies that--it's the man-made apocalyptic fear-mongering false-media climate change that I don't buy.

Actually, there are people who deny it, I am unfortunately related to one who does it all the time...