Climate Change Deniers: Explain the Size of my Sheep

[Desperate Measures]

Those things tend to get said behind your back.

HA HA! You win, Sir!

See I just proved global warming is fake.

Comedy > Science.

[Farnhamia]

Comedy > Science.

This is always true, Comedy trumps everything. The supposed last words of Sir Donal Wolfitt, British actor and director, were, "Dying is easy. Comedy is hard." Just ask LG, it's a full-time job for him.

[Desperate Measures]

Comedy > Science.

This is always true, Comedy trumps everything. The supposed last words of Sir Donal Wolfitt, British actor and director, were, "Dying is easy. Comedy is hard." Just ask LG, it's a full-time job for him.

Should we poison his pie? You know - to be sure?

[Pope Joan]

"In the past, only the big, healthy sheep and large lambs that had piled on weight in their first summer could survive the harsh winters on Hirta," said Professor Coulson.
Because of climate change, he explained, grass for food is now available for more months of the year on the island.
"Survival conditions are not so challenging - even the slower growing sheep have a chance of making it, and this means smaller individuals are becoming increasingly prevalent in the population," he said.
"Young mums" tend to give birth to smaller lambs
The team also found that younger sheep tended to give birth to smaller lambs - a phenomenon they termed "the young mum effect".
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8130907.stm

"That doesn't mean that animals will adapt and thrive in a warmer world. Far from it — by some estimates, rapid climate change could drive as many as one-third of the species on the planet out of existence by mid-century. Though warmer winters in blustery Scotland might sound nice — especially if you're a sheep on the small side — the changes due to global warming are likely to be far from positive in most parts of the world. Evolution will help species adapt, but there's a term for what happens when the pace of evolution can't match the pace of climate change: extinction. "http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1908411,00.html?iid=tsmodule

So? I'm waiting. I hold the deniers directly responsible for the size of my sheep.
Also, because this isn't hugely negative, do you think the deniers will use this as a "See? Climate Change isn't so bad."

Young mums?

This sounds like a teen pregnancy issue!

Teach them to abstain, "just say no"!

[Farnhamia]

Comedy > Science.

This is always true, Comedy trumps everything. The supposed last words of Sir Donal Wolfitt, British actor and director, were, "Dying is easy. Comedy is hard." Just ask LG, it's a full-time job for him.

Should we poison his pie? You know - to be sure?

As my friend Endora used to say, "Something slow, with poison in it." He's probably immune, though. Besides, corpses give off carbon dioxide and other noxious vapors.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

This is always true, Comedy trumps everything. The supposed last words of Sir Donal Wolfitt, British actor and director, were, "Dying is easy. Comedy is hard." Just ask LG, it's a full-time job for him.

Should we poison his pie? You know - to be sure?

As my friend Endora used to say, "Something slow, with poison in it." He's probably immune, though. Besides, corpses give off carbon dioxide and other noxious vapors.

Yes, I have developed an immunity to nearly every biological and chemical threat in existence; I ate Navy food.

[Desperate Measures]

This is always true, Comedy trumps everything. The supposed last words of Sir Donal Wolfitt, British actor and director, were, "Dying is easy. Comedy is hard." Just ask LG, it's a full-time job for him.

Should we poison his pie? You know - to be sure?

As my friend Endora used to say, "Something slow, with poison in it." He's probably immune, though. Besides, corpses give off carbon dioxide and other noxious vapors.

Fucking business-as-usual corpses...

[The TransPecos]

Having raised sheep for a number of years and having had a planned breeding program to produce a consistent quality wool and lamb shipping weight, I can honestly say that sheep are the stupidest animals on the face of the planet and even when the breeder is extremely careful about which ram covers which ewe, the results are hard to predict. The only sure thing is that you will get a lamb and occasionally some twins.

[Cybach]

I live in Germany. It's wet and it's cold most of the year. Any global warming would be most welcome.

[Dolbri]

I live in Germany. It's wet and it's cold most of the year. Any global warming would be most welcome.

Well, first time I've ever heard someone say that
Didn't you see Al Gore's movie though? Europe might actually get a lot colder.

[Farnhamia]

I live in Germany. It's wet and it's cold most of the year. Any global warming would be most welcome.

Well, first time I've ever heard someone say that
Didn't you see Al Gore's movie though? Europe might actually get a lot colder.

If the Gulf Stream shuts down, I'm investing in makers of arctic gear who have sales offices in Northern Europe. *nod*

[Dolbri]

If the Gulf Stream shuts down, I'm investing in makers of arctic gear who have sales offices in Northern Europe. *nod*

Hmm. I think I'll go for a moving company. Many people will move south.

[The Imperial Navy]

Climate change is natural. We are simply speeding it up.

It was warmer than today in the Roman Era, there were reports of Vineyards in the North of England. Then it chilled near the end of the Dark ages. Then it warmed again. Then we had a mini Ice age in the 1700's. Then it got warm again.

It's a natural cycle. I know i'll get a lot of requests yelling "Source or GTFO" But I read all this in an independant study book, so no, I can't source it. Call me a liar if you will. But if you find and check the records you'll find they match.

[Farnhamia]

Climate change is natural. We are simply speeding it up.

It was warmer than today in the Roman Era, there were reports of Vineyards in the North of England. Then it chilled near the end of the Dark ages. Then it warmed again. Then we had a mini Ice age in the 1700's. Then it got warm again.

It's a natural cycle. I know i'll get a lot of requests yelling "Source or GTFO" But I read all this in an independant study book, so no, I can't source it. Call me a liar if you will. But if you find and check the records you'll find they match.

Surely the book had a name and authors. No one says that the Earth doesn't have natural climate cycles. Industrial development, however, has pumped enough greenhouse gases into the atmosphere to increase the warming rate to the extent that it may now actually be dangerous.

[Les Drapeaux Brulants]

I don't understand this line of thinking. Even if failed in the attempt, why shouldn't it be attempted? If we are currently impacting the climate negatively, why not mend our ways to not impact it in such a way? Are you the type that picks up smoking when diagnosed with a cancer?

I'm just as confused by the argument that we should try anything, no matter how costly and how futile, in order to maintain the status quo. Let's spend some of that effort on how to adapt to the rising temps.

We might as well argue that if we continually decimated the human population until we reduced our exhaled CO2 emissions to a scientifically determined reasonable level, we were successful in managing the warming climate.

[Dolbri]

We might as well argue that if we continually decimated the human population until we reduced our exhaled CO2 emissions to a scientifically determined reasonable level, we were successful in managing the warming climate.

Indeed. This would not only solve the climate problem, but many other problems at the same time.

I'm just as confused by the argument that we should try anything, no matter how costly and how futile, in order to maintain the status quo. Let's spend some of that effort on how to adapt to the rising temps.

We are not trying to maintain the status quo. The point is that we have a big influence on a system which keeps us alive and which we hardly understand, let alone control. So the prudent thing to do is to minimize our impact, just in case it would be catastrophic.

[Desperate Measures]

I don't understand this line of thinking. Even if failed in the attempt, why shouldn't it be attempted? If we are currently impacting the climate negatively, why not mend our ways to not impact it in such a way? Are you the type that picks up smoking when diagnosed with a cancer?

I'm just as confused by the argument that we should try anything, no matter how costly and how futile, in order to maintain the status quo. Let's spend some of that effort on how to adapt to the rising temps.

We might as well argue that if we continually decimated the human population until we reduced our exhaled CO2 emissions to a scientifically determined reasonable level, we were successful in managing the warming climate.

If you're worried about the money, I'd imagine it would be more costly to adapt than to use greener measures. Using a clothesline instead of a dryer, just as one instance of a greener measure where we are talking about a 50 cent piece of string vs a $1000 machine. Also, like it or not, green is catching on in public opinion. Wouldn't a company be more profitable by feeding into that popular opinion? Another small instance. I was at a hotel recently where they asked the guests to reuse the towels rather than using them one time and putting them out their door to be washed. Makes people think the hotel cares (probably doesn't) and also saves them money on their energy bills. The larger and grander schemes, more often than not, would all be more cost effective than oil. Some mistakes will be made (using food as an energy source - has not been such a hot idea) but we learn from those mistakes.

[Dyakovo]

Your sheep ?
That's called chance.
The entire population on an island, possibly a change in environment

Don't act like you know my sheep.

How do you know he doesn't?

As long as he doesn't know them in the biblical sense its all good isn't it?

[Greed and Death]

Your sheep ?
That's called chance.
The entire population on an island, possibly a change in environment

Don't act like you know my sheep.

How do you know he doesn't?

As long as he doesn't know them in the biblical sense its all good isn't it?

I have been know to wear kilts.

[Desperate Measures]

Why are my short sheep sticky?

[Farnhamia]

Why are my short sheep sticky?

You ... you ... don't want to know.

[Dyakovo]

Why are my short sheep sticky?

I think it has something to do with g and d and his "kilt"

[Muravyets]

Are there still people who deny that the climate is changing? Aren't most of them arguing that it's not man-made?

Eh, tomato - tomato.

My point is that while this story may be a good indication that there actually IS climate change, it does not at all prove that it is man-made. And if it's not man-made, we can go on burning fossil fuels like usual. So it's a very big and relevant difference.

It's also dumb argument because burning fossil fuels the way we have been is the one thing we SHOULD NOT do for reasons having nothing at all to do with climate change but everything to do with public health.

This is one of the things that piss me off about the whole climate change argument. It is only one aspect of all the reasons why we need to stop acting like spoiled 4-year-olds in regard to the environment, and it is by far NOT the most immediate issue. The whole thing is just used as a distracting boondoggle.

Oh, and climate change deniers are wrong, and so, to an extent, are human influence deniers. Go look at the effects on both public health and the environment of the implementation of clean air initiatives in the 1970s for evidence.

EDIT: And then go look at the immediate effects on both those things of rolling back those initiatives in the late 90s/early 00s.

[Muravyets]

You have to look at that response in context, DM. First it was, "The world is not getting warmer!" Then it was, "Well, it's getting warmer but it's not our fault!" After that you got, "Okay, it's getting warmer and it's our fault but it's not entirely our fault!" Finally, "Yeah, it's getting warmer but it's not entirely our fault and anyway we can't do anything about it!"

Throw in with those, "Plants grow better with more carbon dioxide, so we'll have huge tomatoes!' and "All the scientists who claim global warming and climate change are a danger are looking for gigantic pay-offs from ... from ... they're making money off it!"

Make more sense now?

Why, yes, yes, it does. Thanks.

[Desperate Measures]

Eh, tomato - tomato.

My point is that while this story may be a good indication that there actually IS climate change, it does not at all prove that it is man-made. And if it's not man-made, we can go on burning fossil fuels like usual. So it's a very big and relevant difference.

It's also dumb argument because burning fossil fuels the way we have been is the one thing we SHOULD NOT do for reasons having nothing at all to do with climate change but everything to do with public health.

This is one of the things that piss me off about the whole climate change argument. It is only one aspect of all the reasons why we need to stop acting like spoiled 4-year-olds in regard to the environment, and it is by far NOT the most immediate issue. The whole thing is just used as a distracting boondoggle.

Oh, and climate change deniers are wrong, and so, to an extent, are human influence deniers. Go look at the effects on both public health and the environment of the implementation of clean air initiatives in the 1970s for evidence.

EDIT: And then go look at the immediate effects on both those things of rolling back those initiatives in the late 90s/early 00s.

This sounds a lot like working in order to gather actual facts and not at all like mindlessly arguing the talking points heard in the mass media. They will think you mad for attempting this...