Baltimore Bridge Collapse

[San Lumen]

It's not going to be closed for months. Maybe a week or two.

Source please?

CNN said the port will likely reopen within that timeframe.

[San Lumen]

Looking at the map of Baltimore, it's surprising a ship that size was even near the bridge. As I understand it the bridge was up to code, just that the code didn't account for newer massive cargo ships.

There appears to be a large port before the bridge, I would say it's probably a good idea not to let such huge ships into the inner harbour of Baltimore anyway.

Baltimore is one of the busiest ports in the nation. A ship that size hitting a bridge the ship is going to win.

[Kernen]

It's a professional requirement. It's not pride. It's a statement of fact. It's 10am, the sky is blue, and I'm an asshole who likes billables.

No it isn't a requirement. You're making disparaging comments about a city because you have inherent hatred of cities and anyone who chooses not to have your rural lifestyle.

I'm not going to address the latter half of this, partially because you're wrong and partially because the mods aren't being clear on what is allowed here.

The former is simple to address. Being an asshole is absolutely a job requirement for being a litigator. Especially on the defense side. Plaintiffs are terrible, you can't give them an inch.

[Turenia]

I was flying right over the Port of Baltimore about a year ago to the day. I've got photos looking down at the water below, but none of the bridge.

[Ethel mermania]

Source please?

CNN said the port will likely reopen within that timeframe.

Everything I have seen disagrees

https://www.joc.com/article/no-timeline ... 40326.html

[Ifreann]

Only impact the fish are going to feel is one of concussion when they demo the underwater remains into manageable pieces to clear the shipping lanes faster.

Exactly what I was thinking, send in the combat engineers with carte blanche and watch how fast shit will get done.

Probably still not very fast. You need to get the bridge out of the harbour, not just broken up.

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Source please?

CNN said the port will likely reopen within that timeframe.

Whatever speculation you heard on CNN sounds unrealistic.

[Tarsonis]

Im asking this question with no like mean feelings but how come this is so important? Ive been seeing it absolutely everywhere and I feel horrible for what happened but this has been getting for me at least a lot more coverage than a bridge.. should? Can anyone help explain? Again no like mean feelings im just wondering the scope and the importance as I am really uninformed

It's pretty uncommon for giant ships to bring down giant bridges.

I don't want people thinking bridges are unsafe

[Neutraligon]

It's pretty uncommon for giant ships to bring down giant bridges.

I don't want people thinking bridges are unsafe

They tend to be very safe. This bridge simply wasn’t built to handle being rammed by a much heavier load than was common when it was built. It also likely needed maintenance considering how shit we are at maintaining our infrastructure.

[Nantoraka]

I don't want people thinking bridges are unsafe

They tend to be very safe. This bridge simply wasn’t built to handle being rammed by a much heavier load than was common when it was built. It also likely needed maintenance considering how shit we are at maintaining our infrastructure.

I'm not entirely sure how many bridges are built to handle being rammed by out of control, several-hundred-thousand-ton, metal monsters either.

[Neutraligon]

They tend to be very safe. This bridge simply wasn’t built to handle being rammed by a much heavier load than was common when it was built. It also likely needed maintenance considering how shit we are at maintaining our infrastructure.

I'm not entirely sure how many bridges are built to handle being rammed by out of control, several-hundred-thousand-ton, metal monsters either.

My guess(since I am not a civil engineer, just a mechanical one) is most modern ones were built to withstand crashes from ships. It is kinda an obvious issue to consider when building a bridge where there is ship traffic.

[Ifreann]

They tend to be very safe. This bridge simply wasn’t built to handle being rammed by a much heavier load than was common when it was built. It also likely needed maintenance considering how shit we are at maintaining our infrastructure.

I'm not entirely sure how many bridges are built to handle being rammed by out of control, several-hundred-thousand-ton, metal monsters either.

Pretty much nothing is safe when a ship that big is going to hit it.

[San Lumen]

I'm not entirely sure how many bridges are built to handle being rammed by out of control, several-hundred-thousand-ton, metal monsters either.

Pretty much nothing is safe when a ship that big is going to hit it.

Apparently it had barriers and it wasn’t enough.

[Jerzylvania]

It's not going to be closed for months. Maybe a week or two.

If you strictly mean that minimal shipping will resume, maybe. But if you mean back to normal with a new bridge built, 5 -7 years.

[Kerwa]

If the authorities are motivated it shouldn’t take that long to clear the shipping channel. Replacing the bridge is another matter.

Apparently people are speculating that this was the result of contaminated fuel.

[Jerzylvania]

I'm not entirely sure how many bridges are built to handle being rammed by out of control, several-hundred-thousand-ton, metal monsters either.

My guess(since I am not a civil engineer, just a mechanical one) is most modern ones were built to withstand crashes from ships. It is kinda an obvious issue to consider when building a bridge where there is ship traffic.

The FSK bridge wasn't built with much foresight that being said it survived 47 years. But what concerns me is the timing of the propulsion failure which leaves zero chance of avoiding the FSKB. It eats at me. The Dali is on a 27 day trip and the thing fails just before this bridge. Hell of a terrible coincidence. Really be interested in the black box data if it's made public. And it should be.

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Oh boy.

[Tarsonis]

I'm not entirely sure how many bridges are built to handle being rammed by out of control, several-hundred-thousand-ton, metal monsters either.

Pretty much nothing is safe when a ship that big is going to hit it.

Well there are a lot of these bridges stand around the world all the time, and very seldom does anything like this happen. I just don’t want people thinking that bridges aren’t safe.

[Kerwa]

It's not going to be closed for months. Maybe a week or two.

If you strictly mean that minimal shipping will resume, maybe. But if you mean back to normal with a new bridge built, 5 -7 years.

You could put in a cable stay much quicker than that, it all depends how motivated the government is.

[Jerzylvania]

Pretty much nothing is safe when a ship that big is going to hit it.

Well there are a lot of these bridges stand around the world all the time, and very seldom does anything like this happen. I just don’t want people thinking that bridges aren’t safe.

My little sister had a phobia about crossing the original Chesapeake Bay Bridge. We'd go from B-more to Ocean City in the early 60s and she'd freak out on the bridge. One time the traffic came to a standstill during a heavy rainstorm and that was it complete panic. So the next year Dad took us to OC going around the north end of the bay avoiding the bridge. He never said exactly why, but no one complained. Fortunately her problem with big bridges ended just before puberty.

[Meraud]

Well there are a lot of these bridges stand around the world all the time, and very seldom does anything like this happen. I just don’t want people thinking that bridges aren’t safe.

Structural engineering senior: bridges are not safe. Bridges can be safe if they are treated with care. Truss bridges are designed to be as cheap and light as possible. As long as the bolts don't fail (and nobody creates an unbalanced load) everything is fine. Otherwise, everything fails, as we've seen from this. Structures are not built to withstand terrorist attacks.

[Tarsonis]

Alright, my quoting "the front fell off" seems to be going over everyone's head

[Jerzylvania]

If you strictly mean that minimal shipping will resume, maybe. But if you mean back to normal with a new bridge built, 5 -7 years.

You could put in a cable stay much quicker than that, it all depends how motivated the government is.

I think they're going to build a massively large, sturdy and high bridge. The cost of this bridge will reflects it's value to commerce. Probably costing over $2B. I doubt they go for any form of interim bridge as it'll get in the way. I'd also expect tugboats will now escort the ships completely out of the harbour for good measure and speed limits will be enforced with huge fines.

[Jerzylvania]

Well there are a lot of these bridges stand around the world all the time, and very seldom does anything like this happen. I just don’t want people thinking that bridges aren’t safe.

Structural engineering senior: bridges are not safe. Bridges can be safe if they are treated with care. Truss bridges are designed to be as cheap and light as possible. As long as the bolts don't fail (and nobody creates an unbalanced load) everything is fine. Otherwise, everything fails, as we've seen from this. Structures are not built to withstand terrorist attacks.

Indeed. I'd bet even John Augustus Roebling never considered whether the Brooklyn Bridge would withstand terrorist attacks.

[Tarsonis]

You could put in a cable stay much quicker than that, it all depends how motivated the government is.

I think they're going to build a massively large, sturdy and high bridge. The cost of this bridge will reflects it's value to commerce. Probably costing over $2B. I doubt they go for any form of interim bridge as it'll get in the way. I'd also expect tugboats will now escort the ships completely out of the harbour for good measure and speed limits will be enforced with huge fines.

Probably should have already been doing that, given how much ships have grown since the bridge was built.

[Kerwa]

You could put in a cable stay much quicker than that, it all depends how motivated the government is.

I think they're going to build a massively large, sturdy and high bridge. The cost of this bridge will reflects it's value to commerce. Probably costing over $2B. I doubt they go for any form of interim bridge as it'll get in the way. I'd also expect tugboats will now escort the ships completely out of the harbour for good measure and speed limits will be enforced with huge fines.

The Arthur Ravenel Jr. in Charleston is an example of what I am talking about. It probably could be done in a four year time frame and for less than $2b. It’s shipping safe too.

[Necroghastia]

Can you stop with your hatred of cities for once. This will impact many people for months and effect the local economy and beyond due to the port being closed.

I know people in Baltimore and the metro area. I do not appreciate your comments in the slightest.

I'm not going to change how I feel.

Can you just knock it off for a day? Thanks.

I am getting mixed messages here. Which is it, 24 hours or not?

Mate, I know people from Baltimore, good NSers from my RP days and good people as a whole. It's nothing short of a miracle that the police were able to clear the bridge and save so many lives, and there is no reason to wish ill on every man, woman, and child unless you truly see yourself as someone at total war.

Total war? Nah. Simmering low intensity conflict? Yeah.

So is an ounce of self awareness.

One is in your control. One isn't. Your call.

I wouldn't be proud of being a asshole. However if you should expect people to be offended by your sarcastic comments on a national tragedy and blast back.

It's a professional requirement. It's not pride. It's a statement of fact. It's 10am, the sky is blue, and I'm an asshole who likes billables.

And you need to knock off the attitude, now. If you "can't change how [you] feel" about a city of all things, to the point where you feel the need to snark over its inhabitants' misfortunes up to and including death, then maybe you need to just keep your feelings to yourself. This may be low-level trolling, but trolling it is. You have gotten a formal warning as well as simple requests to knock it off. You chose to ignore these, so it's only fair to escalate you a *** 1-DAY BAN *** for trolling.

This applies to you the player, not the nation. We know who you are, and we are FAR from amused.