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Infected Mushroom wrote: I’m going to have to go with Russia’s version of events. The attack took place on Russian soil, which means the Russian police (not the western police) have the evidence, better access to the facts, the jurisdiction, the understanding. It’s strange that the West is commenting on this at all, given that this is a Russian law and order matter and the Russians have better access to the facts.

If a shooting happened on US soil, Russia wouldn’t be going “Hey we know better than you about who is behind the attack. You have the witnesses, the evidence, the facts, this happened on YOUR soil but you’re wrong, we 100 percent know the truth.”

Washoia wrote:Bodycam footage that ISIS released is just brutal.

They're apparently planning other attacks now.

Infected Mushroom wrote:https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2024/03/27/ukraine-war-live-updates-latest-news-on-russia-and-the-war-in-ukraine.html

Russian officials continue to accuse the West and Ukraine of involvement in the Crocus City Hall attack last Friday in which 140 people were killed.

Ukraine denies any involvement and the White House said last Sunday that "ISIS bears sole responsibility for this attack," using an acronym for the Islamic State militant group, which said it was behind the attack. White House National Security Council spokesperson Adrienne Watson added that there was "no Ukrainian involvement whatsoever."

On Wednesday, Russian Foreign Ministry spokesperson Maria Zakharova claimed the U.S.' initial rejection of any Ukrainian involvement was suspicious and said the Islamic State group was created by the West.

After looking at the relevant facts (including the perpetrators’ plans to flee to contacts on the Ukrainian border), I’m going to have to go with Russia’s version of events. The attack took place on Russian soil, which means the Russian police (not the western police) have the evidence, better access to the facts, the jurisdiction, the understanding. It’s strange that the West is commenting on this at all, given that this is a Russian law and order matter and the Russians have better access to the facts.

If a shooting happened on US soil, Russia wouldn’t be going “Hey we know better than you about who is behind the attack. You have the witnesses, the evidence, the facts, this happened on YOUR soil but you’re wrong, we 100 percent know the truth.”

It’s also an incredibly stupid argument to say “The USA warned Russia so they have nothing to do with the attack.” It’s possible (maybe even likely given the CIA’s shady past) to give a token, non-specific warning to diffuse suspicion while being in some way connected.

I’ve been looking through the posts and while some posters are able to analyze the situation critically, others are too quick to buy the narrative provided by the pro Western media.

Rusozak wrote:

Washoia wrote:Bodycam footage that ISIS released is just brutal.

They're apparently planning other attacks now.

I don't think a victim nation of a terrorist attack has ever provoked a follow up attack by refusing to give the terrorists credit for the first one.

Washington Resistance Army wrote:

Rusozak wrote:
I don't think a victim nation of a terrorist attack has ever provoked a follow up attack by refusing to give the terrorists credit for the first one.

There really is something morbidly funny about Russia being so lost in their own delusional idiocy that they're making themselves bigger targets for terrorism in the process. It's not exactly like hardline Islamists are lacking reasons to want to kill Russians in the first place, Putin and co. are just giving them even more reason to focus on Russian cities instead of those in Europe or the US.

Tarsonis wrote:

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
There really is something morbidly funny about Russia being so lost in their own delusional idiocy that they're making themselves bigger targets for terrorism in the process. It's not exactly like hardline Islamists are lacking reasons to want to kill Russians in the first place, Putin and co. are just giving them even more reason to focus on Russian cities instead of those in Europe or the US.

Daesh: "Notice me!"

Russia: "No"

Venoano wrote:I sympathize for the Russian people in general, it seems that the current day-to-day of life over there is to just try and get through life despite their awful governments continuous international and economic blunders.

Tarsonis wrote:

Venoano wrote:I sympathize for the Russian people in general, it seems that the current day-to-day of life over there is to just try and get through life despite their awful governments continuous international and economic blunders.

I mean, that describes American life pretty well too

The Two Jerseys wrote:

Tarsonis wrote:
I mean, that describes American life pretty well too

But at least we have indoor plumbing.

The Apollonian Systems wrote:

Anarcopia wrote:
You're right and thank you for pointing that out. I'm sorry and I will use this as a learning opportunity.

I would also like to apologize to The Apollonian Systems personally for any trauma that I may have caused them with those substance abuse accusations, and I'd like to extend that apology to any other users on NS who may be affected or going through substance abuse themselves. This wasn't fair of me and was toxic. Addiction to any substance can be a life-changing and serious matter and I'm sincerely apologetic for making light of these issues that many face. If anybody here ever needs somebody to talk to or a friend to support them through any of the rehabilitation phases please feel free to reach out to me or other support groups and networks that are free and readily available near you.

You think I buy this shit? And as someone who has actually gone through traumatic events in life that I’m working through I don’t appreciate this.

The Lone Alliance wrote: I don't appreciate that they're clearly using an AI chatbot to help with their responses.

Anarcopia wrote:

The Lone Alliance wrote: I don't appreciate that they're clearly using an AI chatbot to help with their responses.

More snide ad hominem attacks of a personal nature. The mud-slinging is getting boring.

It's ok to have a difference of opinion on a topic, but please stick to debating the arguments rather than attacking the persons themselves.

Infected Mushroom wrote:

Bombadil wrote:
The fuck you talking about, ISIS isn't pro-western.

https://tass.com/politics/1765845

On the evening of March 22, a terrorist attack targeted the Crocus City Hall music venue in Krasnogorsk, Moscow Region, just over the Moscow city limits. The current death toll is 139, and 182 people were injured. Eleven individuals suspected of being involved in the terrorist attack have been apprehended, including four gunmen who were detained in the Bryansk Region, southwest of Moscow, as they attempted to seek refuge by crossing the nearby Ukrainian border. President Vladimir Putin said in a televised address that, according to preliminary information, the Ukrainian side had prepared "a window" in the border especially for the terrorists to cross undetected. He promised to identify and punish all those who were behind the attack on Crocus City Hall.

Infected Mushroom wrote:I think so far, the Russian police have been handling the investigation of this case with the utmost of professionalism (focusing on the evidence and keeping all possibilities open). It really shows that when the country is attacked, the people will find it in them to stand together.

Infected Mushroom wrote:I think so far, the Russian police have been handling the investigation of this case with the utmost of professionalism (focusing on the evidence and keeping all possibilities open). It really shows that when the country is attacked, the people will find it in them to stand together.

Infected Mushroom wrote:I think so far, the Russian police have been handling the investigation of this case with the utmost of professionalism (focusing on the evidence and keeping all possibilities open). It really shows that when the country is attacked, the people will find it in them to stand together.

Infected Mushroom wrote:I think so far, the Russian police have been handling the investigation of this case with the utmost of professionalism (focusing on the evidence and keeping all possibilities open). It really shows that when the country is attacked, the people will find it in them to stand together.

Nirvasyl wrote:

Anarcopia wrote:More snide ad hominem attacks of a personal nature. The mud-slinging is getting boring.

It's ok to have a difference of opinion on a topic, but please stick to debating the arguments rather than attacking the persons themselves.

You know what, Anarcopia? You're the one coming off as a snide asshole right now. For the betterment of all of us in this thread, knock your ego down by a few notches before you incur the wrath of the Mods again. If you cannot be a decent human being, then do us a favour and don't talk at all.

God, it is people like you that make my skin crawl. And don't attempt to continue this argument. I've said my piece, and I don't need you to give another assholey remark to attempt to refute my claims.

The Two Jerseys wrote:

Infected Mushroom wrote:I think so far, the Russian police have been handling the investigation of this case with the utmost of professionalism (focusing on the evidence and keeping all possibilities open). It really shows that when the country is attacked, the people will find it in them to stand together.

Yes, they are being professional, they're beating suspects like professional MMA fighters...

Turenia wrote:

Infected Mushroom wrote:I think so far, the Russian police have been handling the investigation of this case with the utmost of professionalism (focusing on the evidence and keeping all possibilities open). It really shows that when the country is attacked, the people will find it in them to stand together.

It's not professional to attach jumper cables to a suspects testicles.

Neither is it for a Nazi to cut off part of a suspects ear, force-feed it to him, and then auction off the knife used in the assault.

Neither is it for one of the suspects to have somehow lost an eye between the time of his capture and the time of his court appearance.

Fartsniffage wrote:

Turenia wrote:It's not professional to attach jumper cables to a suspects testicles.

Neither is it for a Nazi to cut off part of a suspects ear, force-feed it to him, and then auction off the knife used in the assault.

Neither is it for one of the suspects to have somehow lost an eye between the time of his capture and the time of his court appearance.

The knife was extremely sharp though. It had been professionally maintained.

Infected Mushroom wrote:I think so far, the Russian police have been handling the investigation of this case with the utmost of professionalism (focusing on the evidence and keeping all possibilities open). It really shows that when the country is attacked, the people will find it in them to stand together.