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How Will Trump's Hush Money Trial End?

Guilty
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44%
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Washington Resistance Army
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Mar 19, 2024 1:06 pm

Zurkerx wrote:
Ifreann wrote:He does seem to be getting the worst of both worlds.


He is though I suspect he can stop the bleeding and get some of those voters back. Whether it will be enough though remains to be seen - and whether come election day will this be their number one priority. But I do think Biden is starting to pick the Gaza side, well slowly that is. It's probably too late though.


It's 5 months too late, and he still has hardly changed his tone. No amount of backroom politicking or hotmics will appease voters here, he needs to change policy direction entirely to even have a chance at winning people back.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Mar 19, 2024 1:10 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:
He is though I suspect he can stop the bleeding and get some of those voters back. Whether it will be enough though remains to be seen - and whether come election day will this be their number one priority. But I do think Biden is starting to pick the Gaza side, well slowly that is. It's probably too late though.


It's 5 months too late, and he still has hardly changed his tone. No amount of backroom politicking or hotmics will appease voters here, he needs to change policy direction entirely to even have a chance at winning people back.


if young people aren't going to vote solely because of this its quite sad. Is as if they think the President is Emperor of Earth. How about channeling their passion towards the threat that is Trump because if he wins again which he probably will anything they care about won;t happen and when this country has a democracy in name only and they wonder why they will only need to look in a mirror.
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Postby Zurkerx » Tue Mar 19, 2024 1:15 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:
He is though I suspect he can stop the bleeding and get some of those voters back. Whether it will be enough though remains to be seen - and whether come election day will this be their number one priority. But I do think Biden is starting to pick the Gaza side, well slowly that is. It's probably too late though.


It's 5 months too late, and he still has hardly changed his tone. No amount of backroom politicking or hotmics will appease voters here, he needs to change policy direction entirely to even have a chance at winning people back.


I suspect he will try to do that though whether it will be too late or not will depend on when he does. Of course, come November, this issue may be one young voters look pass, but it would undoubtedly suppress turnout if Biden continues on the path he's on. He is adjusting but not fast enough. That being said, I don't see this issue as a death blow to Biden. It's a big hit, but not one that could cost him fully.

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Washington Resistance Army wrote:
It's 5 months too late, and he still has hardly changed his tone. No amount of backroom politicking or hotmics will appease voters here, he needs to change policy direction entirely to even have a chance at winning people back.


if young people aren't going to vote solely because of this its quite site. Is as if they think the President is Emperor of Earth. How about channeling their passion towards the threat that is Trump because if he wins again which he probably will anything they care about won;t happen and when this country has a democracy in name only and they wonder why they will only need to look in a mirror.


Then the Democrats better start earning their votes, not take it for granted. They are not obligated to vote Democrat.
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Postby Zurkerx » Tue Mar 19, 2024 1:22 pm

In a briefing submitted to the Supreme Court, Trump urged the court to rule that he is absolutely immune from criminal charges stemming from his attempts to subvert the 2020 election:

“The president cannot function, and the presidency itself cannot retain its vital independence,” the brief said, “if the president faces criminal prosecution for official acts once he leaves office.”

The brief, Mr. Trump’s main submission to the justices before the case is argued on April 25, continued to press an expansive understanding of presidential immunity, one that it said was required by the very structure of the Constitution.

“The question of a former president’s criminal immunity presents grave constitutional questions that strike at the heart of the separation of power,” the brief said.


And they tried to argue how it could hurt Biden:

In the new brief, Mr. Trump’s lawyers said the court should be wary of endorsing prosecutions of former presidents. “Criminal prosecution presents a mortal threat to the presidency’s independence,” they wrote, adding that a contrary ruling could lead to the prosecution of President Biden.

“Is President Biden destroying our southern border and undermining our national security abroad for unlawful electoral purposes?” the brief asked.


Pretty sure that's not illegal, but you know, it's the hill Trump is willing to die on. The question is going to become how far the court will go in striking down Trump's asinine claims. Suffice to say, the court may rule in such a way that this could get delayed further:

On the other hand, it appeared to leave open the possibility that the court might draw distinctions — or ask lower courts to — between official acts and private ones.

And that could mean Trump has an avenue of appeal again should the judge essentially in his case that his actions were personal, not official. I suspect (I hope) the court will just say he doesn't have immunity.
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Postby The Apollonian Systems » Tue Mar 19, 2024 1:23 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
It's 5 months too late, and he still has hardly changed his tone. No amount of backroom politicking or hotmics will appease voters here, he needs to change policy direction entirely to even have a chance at winning people back.


if young people aren't going to vote solely because of this its quite sad. Is as if they think the President is Emperor of Earth. How about channeling their passion towards the threat that is Trump because if he wins again which he probably will anything they care about won;t happen and when this country has a democracy in name only and they wonder why they will only need to look in a mirror.

We get it you don’t give a shit about young people.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Mar 19, 2024 1:26 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
It's 5 months too late, and he still has hardly changed his tone. No amount of backroom politicking or hotmics will appease voters here, he needs to change policy direction entirely to even have a chance at winning people back.


if young people aren't going to vote solely because of this its quite sad. Is as if they think the President is Emperor of Earth. How about channeling their passion towards the threat that is Trump because if he wins again which he probably will anything they care about won;t happen and when this country has a democracy in name only and they wonder why they will only need to look in a mirror.


My hot take is the country already largely is a democracy in name only for a lot of people. Unless you live in a relatively small number of states, your vote beyond the local level doesn't matter.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Mar 19, 2024 1:28 pm

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Ifreann wrote:Got to have good, strong teeth if we're going to eat the rich.


Why worry about what isn't going to happen?

Ask your massive gun collection.
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Postby The Apollonian Systems » Tue Mar 19, 2024 1:29 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
Why worry about what isn't going to happen?

Ask your massive gun collection.

Can’t exactly overthrow the class system if you’re unarmed.

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Postby Ifreann » Tue Mar 19, 2024 1:30 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
It's 5 months too late, and he still has hardly changed his tone. No amount of backroom politicking or hotmics will appease voters here, he needs to change policy direction entirely to even have a chance at winning people back.


if young people aren't going to vote solely because of this its quite sad. Is as if they think the President is Emperor of Earth. How about channeling their passion towards the threat that is Trump because if he wins again which he probably will anything they care about won;t happen and when this country has a democracy in name only and they wonder why they will only need to look in a mirror.

People are mad at Biden for sending weapons to Israel despite knowing that Israel was using them to kill civilians, and your proposal is for them to use that passion to get Biden re-elected.

Do you think that makes sense? Seriously, do you actually think that this makes any kind of fucking sense?
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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Mar 19, 2024 1:35 pm

Ifreann wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
if young people aren't going to vote solely because of this its quite sad. Is as if they think the President is Emperor of Earth. How about channeling their passion towards the threat that is Trump because if he wins again which he probably will anything they care about won;t happen and when this country has a democracy in name only and they wonder why they will only need to look in a mirror.

People are mad at Biden for sending weapons to Israel despite knowing that Israel was using them to kill civilians, and your proposal is for them to use that passion to get Biden re-elected.

Do you think that makes sense? Seriously, do you actually think that this makes any kind of fucking sense?


And what does not voting achieve when Trump gets back in and destroys everything they care about? I showed them? Sounds like many of them are single issue voters then.

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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Mar 19, 2024 1:37 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
if young people aren't going to vote solely because of this its quite sad. Is as if they think the President is Emperor of Earth. How about channeling their passion towards the threat that is Trump because if he wins again which he probably will anything they care about won;t happen and when this country has a democracy in name only and they wonder why they will only need to look in a mirror.


My hot take is the country already largely is a democracy in name only for a lot of people. Unless you live in a relatively small number of states, your vote beyond the local level doesn't matter.


President isn't the only freaking thing that matters!!!! Every vote matters in every election. By your logic why bother even holding an election in many areas since according to you it's already decided. Baltimore should just have its primaries this year and not bother with the general election right?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Mar 19, 2024 1:38 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
My hot take is the country already largely is a democracy in name only for a lot of people. Unless you live in a relatively small number of states, your vote beyond the local level doesn't matter.


President isn't the only freaking thing that matters!!!! Every vote matters in every election. By your logic why bother even holding an election in many areas since according to you it's already decided. Baltimore should just have its primaries this year and not bother with the general election right?


I mean, yeah? We all know whoever the D candidate is they're going to win. Elections more or less are predetermined in a lot of places lol.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Mar 19, 2024 1:39 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Ifreann wrote:People are mad at Biden for sending weapons to Israel despite knowing that Israel was using them to kill civilians, and your proposal is for them to use that passion to get Biden re-elected.

Do you think that makes sense? Seriously, do you actually think that this makes any kind of fucking sense?


And what does not voting achieve when Trump gets back in and destroys everything they care about? I showed them? Sounds like many of them are single issue voters then.

That's not an answer to my question, so I suppose that means the answer is no.
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Postby Corrian » Tue Mar 19, 2024 1:46 pm

Phobos Drilling and Manufacturing wrote:What is the most overrated president?

Reagan
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Postby HISPIDA » Tue Mar 19, 2024 1:46 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
if young people aren't going to vote solely because of this its quite sad. Is as if they think the President is Emperor of Earth. How about channeling their passion towards the threat that is Trump because if he wins again which he probably will anything they care about won;t happen and when this country has a democracy in name only and they wonder why they will only need to look in a mirror.


My hot take is the country already largely is a democracy in name only for a lot of people. Unless you live in a relatively small number of states, your vote beyond the local level doesn't matter.

lukewarm at best.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Mar 19, 2024 1:49 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
President isn't the only freaking thing that matters!!!! Every vote matters in every election. By your logic why bother even holding an election in many areas since according to you it's already decided. Baltimore should just have its primaries this year and not bother with the general election right?


I mean, yeah? We all know whoever the D candidate is they're going to win. Elections more or less are predetermined in a lot of places lol.


Thats not what you do in a democracy and districts or certain areas are safe until they are not. If someone else want to run for another party they should be able to. To deny them that right is not only unfair its undemocratic.

No one thought Democrats would win a seat Congressional seat in Oklahoma City in 2018 until they did.

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Postby Corrian » Tue Mar 19, 2024 1:54 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I mean, yeah? We all know whoever the D candidate is they're going to win. Elections more or less are predetermined in a lot of places lol.


Thats not what you do in a democracy and districts or certain areas are safe until they are not. If someone else want to run for another party they should be able to. To deny them that right is not only unfair its undemocratic.

No one thought Democrats would win a seat Congressional seat in Oklahoma City in 2018 until they did.

If Republicans actually nominate Reichart, its probably their best chance at governor in Washington since forever, even though I consider it still unlikely.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Mar 19, 2024 1:56 pm

Corrian wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Thats not what you do in a democracy and districts or certain areas are safe until they are not. If someone else want to run for another party they should be able to. To deny them that right is not only unfair its undemocratic.

No one thought Democrats would win a seat Congressional seat in Oklahoma City in 2018 until they did.

If Republicans actually nominate Reichart, its probably their best chance at governor in Washington since forever, even though I consider it still unlikely.


The last Republican elected was John Spellman in 1980. he was defeated for a second term by Booth Gardner.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Mar 19, 2024 1:57 pm

Corrian wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Thats not what you do in a democracy and districts or certain areas are safe until they are not. If someone else want to run for another party they should be able to. To deny them that right is not only unfair its undemocratic.

No one thought Democrats would win a seat Congressional seat in Oklahoma City in 2018 until they did.

If Republicans actually nominate Reichart, its probably their best chance at governor in Washington since forever, even though I consider it still unlikely.


If he actually gets the nom I fully plan to vote for him. Ferguson is a complete disaster with more than a few scandals in his camp and will absolutely drag the state more into the wrong direction. I still think it'd be a longshot, but Reichert has a really good record and can hit Ferguson on a LOT of weak points that even people in the Puget Sound are mad about.
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Postby Phobos Drilling and Manufacturing » Tue Mar 19, 2024 1:58 pm

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Cannot think of a name wrote:Ask your massive gun collection.

Can’t exactly overthrow the class system if you’re unarmed.

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Postby Corrian » Tue Mar 19, 2024 2:01 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Corrian wrote:If Republicans actually nominate Reichart, its probably their best chance at governor in Washington since forever, even though I consider it still unlikely.


If he actually gets the nom I fully plan to vote for him. Ferguson is a complete disaster with more than a few scandals in his camp and will absolutely drag the state more into the wrong direction. I still think it'd be a longshot, but Reichert has a really good record and can hit Ferguson on a LOT of weak points that even people in the Puget Sound are mad about.

I'm not going to, because he's still a Republican and even a good Republican still disagrees with my views, but I sure as hell would feel a lot less bad with him in office than any other Republican they put up.

Somehow I suspect the right wingers will try and get Semi Bird over the edge, though.

I'm still sad Franz already dropped out, she was by far my preferred candidate.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Mar 19, 2024 2:03 pm

Corrian wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
If he actually gets the nom I fully plan to vote for him. Ferguson is a complete disaster with more than a few scandals in his camp and will absolutely drag the state more into the wrong direction. I still think it'd be a longshot, but Reichert has a really good record and can hit Ferguson on a LOT of weak points that even people in the Puget Sound are mad about.

I'm not going to, because he's still a Republican and even a good Republican still disagrees with my views, but I sure as hell would feel a lot less bad with him in office than any other Republican they put up.

Somehow I suspect the right wingers will try and get Semi Bird over the edge, though.

I'm still sad Franz already dropped out, she was by far my preferred candidate.


Tbqh Reichert is such a moderate Republican he's practically just a Blue Dog Dem at this point. I have no real issues voting for him, I know he isn't going to try and turn the state into Alabama or anything, he'd just slam the brakes on all this progressive shit that's been running the state into the ground and I am very much down with that idea.
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Postby HISPIDA » Tue Mar 19, 2024 2:05 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I mean, yeah? We all know whoever the D candidate is they're going to win. Elections more or less are predetermined in a lot of places lol.


Thats not what you do in a democracy and districts or certain areas are safe until they are not. If someone else want to run for another party they should be able to. To deny them that right is not only unfair its undemocratic.

No one thought Democrats would win a seat Congressional seat in Oklahoma City in 2018 until they did.

"that's not what you do in a democracy-" pfffffffft hahahahahaha
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Postby Corrian » Tue Mar 19, 2024 2:06 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Corrian wrote:I'm not going to, because he's still a Republican and even a good Republican still disagrees with my views, but I sure as hell would feel a lot less bad with him in office than any other Republican they put up.

Somehow I suspect the right wingers will try and get Semi Bird over the edge, though.

I'm still sad Franz already dropped out, she was by far my preferred candidate.


Tbqh Reichert is such a moderate Republican he's practically just a Blue Dog Dem at this point. I have no real issues voting for him, I know he isn't going to try and turn the state into Alabama or anything, he'd just slam the brakes on all this progressive shit that's been running the state into the ground and I am very much down with that idea.

I think his biggest problem is going to be far right people who are trying to paint him as too mild and won't vote for him because he's not far right enough.

I also remember seeing Democrats try to pain Reichert as a radical on abortion and even I saw through that bullshit because its very clear that he is not if you look at his views for 5 minutes.
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Postby American Legionaries » Tue Mar 19, 2024 2:10 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
My hot take is the country already largely is a democracy in name only for a lot of people. Unless you live in a relatively small number of states, your vote beyond the local level doesn't matter.


President isn't the only freaking thing that matters!!!! Every vote matters in every election. By your logic why bother even holding an election in many areas since according to you it's already decided. Baltimore should just have its primaries this year and not bother with the general election right?


You keep saying this like reality is going to change if you say it enough.

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