Mosque by Ground Zero?

[North Calaveras]

I dont think radical muslims kill people in the name of there penis..........................

"For the virgins !"

But seriously, you realize that if a religous person killed your family or people you knew in the name of there god you would be like " Oh, those people hurt me before I don't know if I should trust them" right?

The muslims, jews and christians all worship the same god.

True, but there doing it specifically in the name of Islam.

They are doing it for political reasons...

There still doing it in the name of Islam, regardless if you think its right or wrong.

I would say the same for any other religous group.

[Callisdrun]

You lack understanding of the reasons behind the 9/11 attacks.

[North Calaveras]

You lack understanding of the reasons behind the 9/11 attacks.

so now your going to give them excuses on why they were allowed to level two skyscrapers filled with innocent people and kill those who were trying to save those people after the incident. I really don't care about there reasons, there's no reason for you to do that to another country that has done nothing to you.

[Callisdrun]

You lack understanding of the reasons behind the 9/11 attacks.

so now your going to give them excuses on why they were allowed to level two skyscrapers filled with innocent people and kill those who were trying to save those people after the incident. I really don't care about there reasons, there's no reason for you to do that to another country that has done nothing to you.

Lol, huge assumptions.

You say their reason was Islam. It's a bit more complicated than that. While unjustified and atrocious, they did have a political motivation a bit more nuanced than "DURKA DURKA MOHAMMED JIHAD!!! DURKA DURKA!!"

[The Alma Mater]

You lack understanding of the reasons behind the 9/11 attacks.

Intruiging angle. Let us try it

If I was muslim and I murdered your family in the name of my god would you not feel a little weird around muslims?

Assume my family were strongly affiliated with an organisation that had been exploiting, harassing and even causing countless deaths of muslims, as well as much muslim suffering. While they never did things like that personally and in fact never really thought about it - they did support, facilitate and enable the organisation to do what it did.

Would you killing them in the name of the abused then be wrong ?

And would any distrust towards muslims resulting from your actions not in fact be a feeling of "oh shit, we deserved it & had it coming, what else will they do to pnish us for our crimes" ?

[North Calaveras]

You lack understanding of the reasons behind the 9/11 attacks.

so now your going to give them excuses on why they were allowed to level two skyscrapers filled with innocent people and kill those who were trying to save those people after the incident. I really don't care about there reasons, there's no reason for you to do that to another country that has done nothing to you.

Lol, huge assumptions.

You say their reason was Islam. It's a bit more complicated than that. While unjustified and atrocious, they did have a political motivation a bit more nuanced than "DURKA DURKA MOHAMMED JIHAD!!! DURKA DURKA!!"

sorry I'm just a dumbass hick republican teabagging right wing extremist rascicist militia member right? Yes there were politcal reasons and motivations but they still did it in the name of there religion and that could make the victims uncomfortable with those of that faith. I say build the mosque but you have to understand that there were people hurt and seeing that built there might bring up bad memorys, but overtime I'm sure things will get better.

[Callisdrun]

You lack understanding of the reasons behind the 9/11 attacks.

so now your going to give them excuses on why they were allowed to level two skyscrapers filled with innocent people and kill those who were trying to save those people after the incident. I really don't care about there reasons, there's no reason for you to do that to another country that has done nothing to you.

Lol, huge assumptions.

You say their reason was Islam. It's a bit more complicated than that. While unjustified and atrocious, they did have a political motivation a bit more nuanced than "DURKA DURKA MOHAMMED JIHAD!!! DURKA DURKA!!"

sorry I'm just a dumbass hick republican teabagging right wing extremist rascicist militia member right? Yes there were politcal reasons and motivations but they still did it in the name of there religion and that could make the victims uncomfortable with those of that faith. I say build the mosque but you have to understand that there were people hurt and seeing that built there might bring up bad memorys, but overtime I'm sure things will get better.

Never said you were any of those things.

I just think saying "they did it because of Islam" is an oversimplification of their motivations.

[North Calaveras]

You lack understanding of the reasons behind the 9/11 attacks.

so now your going to give them excuses on why they were allowed to level two skyscrapers filled with innocent people and kill those who were trying to save those people after the incident. I really don't care about there reasons, there's no reason for you to do that to another country that has done nothing to you.

Lol, huge assumptions.

You say their reason was Islam. It's a bit more complicated than that. While unjustified and atrocious, they did have a political motivation a bit more nuanced than "DURKA DURKA MOHAMMED JIHAD!!! DURKA DURKA!!"

sorry I'm just a dumbass hick republican teabagging right wing extremist rascicist militia member right? Yes there were politcal reasons and motivations but they still did it in the name of there religion and that could make the victims uncomfortable with those of that faith. I say build the mosque but you have to understand that there were people hurt and seeing that built there might bring up bad memorys, but overtime I'm sure things will get better.

Never said you were any of those things.

I just think saying "they did it because of Islam" is an oversimplification of their motivations.

Ide like you to explain the whole durka durka comment then

I wouldn't call it oversimplification because they truely believe that this is the will of god and they do have politcal motivations tied in with that.

[Islamic Hazarastan]

You lack understanding of the reasons behind the 9/11 attacks.

so now your going to give them excuses on why they were allowed to level two skyscrapers filled with innocent people and kill those who were trying to save those people after the incident. I really don't care about there reasons, there's no reason for you to do that to another country that has done nothing to you.

Lol, huge assumptions.

You say their reason was Islam. It's a bit more complicated than that. While unjustified and atrocious, they did have a political motivation a bit more nuanced than "DURKA DURKA MOHAMMED JIHAD!!! DURKA DURKA!!"

sorry I'm just a dumbass hick republican teabagging right wing extremist rascicist militia member right? Yes there were politcal reasons and motivations but they still did it in the name of there religion and that could make the victims uncomfortable with those of that faith. I say build the mosque but you have to understand that there were people hurt and seeing that built there might bring up bad memorys, but overtime I'm sure things will get better.

Never said you were any of those things.

I just think saying "they did it because of Islam" is an oversimplification of their motivations.

Ide like you to explain the whole durka durka comment then

I wouldn't call it oversimplification because they truely believe that this is the will of god and they do have politcal motivations tied in with that.

How do you know they truly believe it?

[North Calaveras]

You lack understanding of the reasons behind the 9/11 attacks.

so now your going to give them excuses on why they were allowed to level two skyscrapers filled with innocent people and kill those who were trying to save those people after the incident. I really don't care about there reasons, there's no reason for you to do that to another country that has done nothing to you.

Lol, huge assumptions.

You say their reason was Islam. It's a bit more complicated than that. While unjustified and atrocious, they did have a political motivation a bit more nuanced than "DURKA DURKA MOHAMMED JIHAD!!! DURKA DURKA!!"

sorry I'm just a dumbass hick republican teabagging right wing extremist rascicist militia member right? Yes there were politcal reasons and motivations but they still did it in the name of there religion and that could make the victims uncomfortable with those of that faith. I say build the mosque but you have to understand that there were people hurt and seeing that built there might bring up bad memorys, but overtime I'm sure things will get better.

Never said you were any of those things.

I just think saying "they did it because of Islam" is an oversimplification of their motivations.

Ide like you to explain the whole durka durka comment then

I wouldn't call it oversimplification because they truely believe that this is the will of god and they do have politcal motivations tied in with that.

How do you know they truly believe it?

They say they truly believe it to be so I have to assume as much.

[Callisdrun]

You lack understanding of the reasons behind the 9/11 attacks.

so now your going to give them excuses on why they were allowed to level two skyscrapers filled with innocent people and kill those who were trying to save those people after the incident. I really don't care about there reasons, there's no reason for you to do that to another country that has done nothing to you.

Lol, huge assumptions.

You say their reason was Islam. It's a bit more complicated than that. While unjustified and atrocious, they did have a political motivation a bit more nuanced than "DURKA DURKA MOHAMMED JIHAD!!! DURKA DURKA!!"

sorry I'm just a dumbass hick republican teabagging right wing extremist rascicist militia member right? Yes there were politcal reasons and motivations but they still did it in the name of there religion and that could make the victims uncomfortable with those of that faith. I say build the mosque but you have to understand that there were people hurt and seeing that built there might bring up bad memorys, but overtime I'm sure things will get better.

Never said you were any of those things.

I just think saying "they did it because of Islam" is an oversimplification of their motivations.

Ide like you to explain the whole durka durka comment then

I wouldn't call it oversimplification because they truely believe that this is the will of god and they do have politcal motivations tied in with that.

I just thin the typical portrayal of them as mindless drones is a bit far fetched.

Were they part of an Islamic fundamentalist group? Yes. Does the Koran literally say "blow up buildings in America"? No. Do most muslims blow up buildings in America? Certainly not.

There's a history of western colonization in the middle east. To some extent, many there regard Israel as a sort of western colonial outpost from which the west seeks to exert influence over the region. That's certainly the way Al Qaeda regards it. Furthermore, the USA maintains several military bases on the Arabian peninsula, further enraging them for both political and religious reasons. They view it as partial colonization. Do I agree with them? Of course not. But they do have motivations other than just wanting to generally kill people who aren't muslim. Does that make their actions justified? Again, of course it doesn't.

However, I don't think it's the best idea to gloss over or oversimplify the motivations of one's enemies.

[North Calaveras]

You lack understanding of the reasons behind the 9/11 attacks.

so now your going to give them excuses on why they were allowed to level two skyscrapers filled with innocent people and kill those who were trying to save those people after the incident. I really don't care about there reasons, there's no reason for you to do that to another country that has done nothing to you.

Lol, huge assumptions.

You say their reason was Islam. It's a bit more complicated than that. While unjustified and atrocious, they did have a political motivation a bit more nuanced than "DURKA DURKA MOHAMMED JIHAD!!! DURKA DURKA!!"

sorry I'm just a dumbass hick republican teabagging right wing extremist rascicist militia member right? Yes there were politcal reasons and motivations but they still did it in the name of there religion and that could make the victims uncomfortable with those of that faith. I say build the mosque but you have to understand that there were people hurt and seeing that built there might bring up bad memorys, but overtime I'm sure things will get better.

Never said you were any of those things.

I just think saying "they did it because of Islam" is an oversimplification of their motivations.

Ide like you to explain the whole durka durka comment then

I wouldn't call it oversimplification because they truely believe that this is the will of god and they do have politcal motivations tied in with that.

I just thin the typical portrayal of them as mindless drones is a bit far fetched.

Were they part of an Islamic fundamentalist group? Yes. Does the Koran literally say "blow up buildings in America"? No. Do most muslims blow up buildings in America? Certainly not.

There's a history of western colonization in the middle east. To some extent, many there regard Israel as a sort of western colonial outpost from which the west seeks to exert influence over the region. That's certainly the way Al Qaeda regards it. Furthermore, the USA maintains several military bases on the Arabian peninsula, further enraging them for both political and religious reasons. They view it as partial colonization. Do I agree with them? Of course not. But they do have motivations other than just wanting to generally kill people who aren't muslim. Does that make their actions justified? Again, of course it doesn't.

However, I don't think it's the best idea to gloss over or oversimplify the motivations of one's enemies.

I do not oversimplify, of course many muslims are not terrorists. But your talking about the west in general, not the United States. We don't fly planes into buildings in Iran simply because they supply Insurgents with weapons. Let get back to the topic now, we must understand that people are going to be upset by this move, legal or not and I just want to make sure people understand that its perfectly understandable that they should be concerned, but at the same time if these people were going to build this mosque beforehand then they may do so.

[Callisdrun]

You lack understanding of the reasons behind the 9/11 attacks.

so now your going to give them excuses on why they were allowed to level two skyscrapers filled with innocent people and kill those who were trying to save those people after the incident. I really don't care about there reasons, there's no reason for you to do that to another country that has done nothing to you.

Lol, huge assumptions.

You say their reason was Islam. It's a bit more complicated than that. While unjustified and atrocious, they did have a political motivation a bit more nuanced than "DURKA DURKA MOHAMMED JIHAD!!! DURKA DURKA!!"

sorry I'm just a dumbass hick republican teabagging right wing extremist rascicist militia member right? Yes there were politcal reasons and motivations but they still did it in the name of there religion and that could make the victims uncomfortable with those of that faith. I say build the mosque but you have to understand that there were people hurt and seeing that built there might bring up bad memorys, but overtime I'm sure things will get better.

Never said you were any of those things.

I just think saying "they did it because of Islam" is an oversimplification of their motivations.

Ide like you to explain the whole durka durka comment then

I wouldn't call it oversimplification because they truely believe that this is the will of god and they do have politcal motivations tied in with that.

I just thin the typical portrayal of them as mindless drones is a bit far fetched.

Were they part of an Islamic fundamentalist group? Yes. Does the Koran literally say "blow up buildings in America"? No. Do most muslims blow up buildings in America? Certainly not.

There's a history of western colonization in the middle east. To some extent, many there regard Israel as a sort of western colonial outpost from which the west seeks to exert influence over the region. That's certainly the way Al Qaeda regards it. Furthermore, the USA maintains several military bases on the Arabian peninsula, further enraging them for both political and religious reasons. They view it as partial colonization. Do I agree with them? Of course not. But they do have motivations other than just wanting to generally kill people who aren't muslim. Does that make their actions justified? Again, of course it doesn't.

However, I don't think it's the best idea to gloss over or oversimplify the motivations of one's enemies.

I do not oversimplify, of course many muslims are not terrorists. But your talking about the west in general, not the United States. We don't fly planes into buildings in Iran simply because they supply Insurgents with weapons. Let get back to the topic now, we must understand that people are going to be upset by this move, legal or not and I just want to make sure people understand that its perfectly understandable that they should be concerned, but at the same time if these people were going to build this mosque beforehand then they may do so.

I'm not sure why you're talking about flying planes into Iranian buildings or how you could possibly have gotten that from my post.

[Vault 10]

Then -how- did they know --before-- 2001 that this was going to happen. The plans were made, property bought. HOW? If you're seriously into Islam you can time travel ?

Meh. You even need to ask "how"?

Along the lines of this:
"Hi, it's Abdul - peace to you too! So how's Hamza? All growing up nice? Remembers half the Qur'an? Glad to hear that, a chip off the old block, he is! Look, me and some guys had an idea... Yeah, of course. Just that. So where's the best spot going to be? ...Oh my, WOW. You serious? That's great, just WOW. Thanks. And my best wishes to Najwa. Yeah, see ya."

And no time travel.

[Vault 10]

And they can get a taste of what they've been heaping on the Muslims for close to a decade on top of that:
GROW A THICKER SKIN.

And fire-resistant too. Also, grow an embedded parachute so you can just jump out the window next time.

The response to terrorists slamming planes into buildings is not cracking down on iSlam, it's growing a fire-resistant skin and an ability to breathe through smoke.

[The Alma Mater]

Then -how- did they know --before-- 2001 that this was going to happen. The plans were made, property bought. HOW? If you're seriously into Islam you can time travel ?

Meh. You even need to ask "how"?

Along the lines of this:
"Hi, it's Abdul - peace to you too! So how's Hamza? All growing up nice? Remembers half the Qur'an? Glad to hear that, a chip off the old block, he is! Look, me and some guys had an idea... Yeah, of course. Just that. So where's the best spot going to be? ...Oh my, WOW. You serious? That's great, just WOW. Thanks. And my best wishes to Najwa. Yeah, see ya."

And no time travel.

You forgot to insert words like "infidels killing our children". Feel free to remedy that.

[Vault 10]

"Hi, it's Abdul - peace to you too! So how's Hamza? All growing up nice? Remembers half the Qur'an? Glad to hear that, a chip off the old block, he is! Look, me and some guys had an idea... Yeah, of course. Just that. So where's the best spot going to be? ...Oh my, WOW. You serious? That's great, just WOW. Thanks. And my best wishes to Najwa. Yeah, see ya."

You forgot to insert words like "infidels killing our children". Feel free to remedy that.

Proper Muslims knew better than to wander around the target zone in early September.

[The Alma Mater]

"Hi, it's Abdul - peace to you too! So how's Hamza? All growing up nice? Remembers half the Qur'an? Glad to hear that, a chip off the old block, he is! Look, me and some guys had an idea... Yeah, of course. Just that. So where's the best spot going to be? ...Oh my, WOW. You serious? That's great, just WOW. Thanks. And my best wishes to Najwa. Yeah, see ya."

You forgot to insert words like "infidels killing our children". Feel free to remedy that.

Proper Muslims knew better than to wander around the target zone in early September.

Nono - I am talking about the great Satan was killing and oppressing (as well as facilitating others to do the same) their muslim brethern in the middle east. Do keep up.

[Vault 10]

Why are you so quick to demonize the al-Qaeda pilots and planners or portray them as demonizing you?

They didn't do anything more wrong than the American pilots who bombed the civilians in Japan or Vietnam. In fact, they did less wrong than the American pilots bombing Japan, because they at least didn't use chemical weapons.
And they didn't perform some carpet bombing attack, either. Al-Qaeda made a precise, low-casualty, surgical strike against critical targets - Pentagon and the World Trade Center; the centers of military and economic power.

They are just as much of war heroes (or as much of bastards) as the American pilots who lost their lives bombing civilians in Japan and Vietnam. Only the latter are our bastards, so we glorify them as war heroes. The former are enemy war heroes, so we demonize them as bastards. Propaganda at its finest, wearing the mask of tolerance.

The Muslims had their holy lands taken away and an American puppet state, Israel, forced in. Then they had that state attack them at will and take away even more territory. They are being forced out of their own lands. Of course they are pissed. And of course they had to act; they did what they could to show they are not content with it, a selfless, desperate act of resistance, because they had nothing else left to do, and they had to do something.

Would you not, if your country was being pressured, economically and militarily, by a nation infamous for making "peon killing" its central strategy, by a nation opposed to everything you stand for, at least feel the need to resist? Would we not do it if we were put into the same position as the Muslims are? Of course we would. Not me and not you, but those with more guts.

There are no rights and wrongs here. What they did to us in NYC was a no worse or better act than what we did to them in Iraq, only smaller in scale. No good or evil, no more honorable or less honorable side, only us and them. And this will keep going, until one of the sides is broken and rendered unable or unwilling to resist.

[Ifreann]

And they can get a taste of what they've been heaping on the Muslims for close to a decade on top of that:
GROW A THICKER SKIN.

And fire-resistant too. Also, grow an embedded parachute so you can just jump out the window next time.

The response to terrorists slamming planes into buildings is not cracking down on iSlam...

This part is right. Partial credit.

[North Suran]

True, but there doing it specifically in the name of Islam.

They are doing it for political reasons...

There still doing it in the name of Islam, regardless if you think its right or wrong.

I would say the same for any other religous group.

So should Fillipinos be afraid of US citizens, then?

After all, the USA did annex them on the basis that their President was told to by God.

[Tekania]

True, but there doing it specifically in the name of Islam.

They are doing it for political reasons...

There still doing it in the name of Islam, regardless if you think its right or wrong.

I would say the same for any other religous group.

So should Fillipinos be afraid of US citizens, then?

After all, the USA did annex them on the basis that their President was told to by God.

See, when Christians do something, they may have incorrect beliefs about God, and therefore there error does not translate to other Christians... On the flip side, Muslims all believe in the exact same God, because they are a massive unimind. This is why Muslims never disagree on areas of theology and religious policy, and why there are no denominations in Islam.

[Vervaria]

True, but there doing it specifically in the name of Islam.

They are doing it for political reasons...

There still doing it in the name of Islam, regardless if you think its right or wrong.

I would say the same for any other religous group.

So should Fillipinos be afraid of US citizens, then?

After all, the USA did annex them on the basis that their President was told to by God.

See, when Christians do something, they may have incorrect beliefs about God, and therefore there error does not translate to other Christians... On the flip side, Muslims all believe in the exact same God, because they are a massive unimind. This is why Muslims never disagree on areas of theology and religious policy, and why there are no denominations in Islam.

We all know Muslims are Borg prototypes.

[Vault 10]

See, when Christians do something, they may have incorrect beliefs about God, and therefore there error does not translate to other Christians... On the flip side

No. You see, BOTH Christians and Muslims are jerks. As are positive atheists, by the way. Not that cba-atheists aren't, they're just not advertising it so loudly.
Both are responsible, not in whole, but in part, for the actions of their respective religion.

It's just about which jerks have a bigger and harder plutonium dick.

[Tekania]

See, when Christians do something, they may have incorrect beliefs about God, and therefore there error does not translate to other Christians... On the flip side

No. You see, BOTH Christians and Muslims are jerks. As are positive atheists, by the way.
Both are responsible, not in whole, but in part, for the actions of their religion.

It's just about which jerks have a bigger plutonium dick.

Actually, I was being facetious, and while I would agree that someone is in part responsible for the actions of their religion; the general problem with attempting that is people with different beliefs get dumped into the same set as the "same religion". IOW, two people could be using the same moniker "Christian" or "Muslim" and yet actually believe different "religions". Each individual denominations and sub-sect is effectively a "different religion" from a theological standpoint.