Mosque by Ground Zero?

[Vesser]

i wasn't debating their right to build, i'm just wondering if they couldn't sell the land and build somewhere else, for the sake of the victims' families

Some of them probably ARE victims' families. Not everybody who died in the towers was Christian. Some were Muslims. And I mean besides the dudes flying the planes.

They owned the land before the attacks. The site was chosen for being accessible to their congregation. Why should they move?

i never said all the victims were Christian, so please stop shoving words in my mouth
frankly, Islam is the reason the towers went down, so i imagine the victims' families (minus the Muslim ones) would be a little PO'd

No. Radicalism and poor choices by several large countries (England, America, and Russia) is the reason the towers went down. Not Islam.

[Callisdrun]

i wasn't debating their right to build, i'm just wondering if they couldn't sell the land and build somewhere else, for the sake of the victims' families

Some of them probably ARE victims' families. Not everybody who died in the towers was Christian. Some were Muslims. And I mean besides the dudes flying the planes.

They owned the land before the attacks. The site was chosen for being accessible to their congregation. Why should they move?

i never said all the victims were Christian, so please stop shoving words in my mouth
frankly, Islam is the reason the towers went down, so i imagine the victims' families (minus the Muslim ones) would be a little PO'd

No, fundamentalist maniacs are the reason the towers went down.

Or should we ban churches from being near remaining Olympic parks and such in Atlanta, Georgia?

Fundamentalist maniacs come in all faiths. New Yorkers who happen to be Muslims are not at fault for 9/11.

[Karsol]

i wasn't debating their right to build, i'm just wondering if they couldn't sell the land and build somewhere else, for the sake of the victims' families

Some of them probably ARE victims' families. Not everybody who died in the towers was Christian. Some were Muslims. And I mean besides the dudes flying the planes.

They owned the land before the attacks. The site was chosen for being accessible to their congregation. Why should they move?

i never said all the victims were Christian, so please stop shoving words in my mouth
frankly, Islam is the reason the towers went down, so i imagine the victims' families (minus the Muslim ones) would be a little PO'd

Technically, the Bombers were heretics...so it wasn't the reason the towers went down, but the lack of structural integrity.

[Katganistan]

Please invest in a dictionary. Did the governments of Great Britain and the United States of America systematically kill every German in Germany?
Did they even come close?

Then it's not a genocide.
It was a horrible, horrible act of war, and one I'd prefer never were repeated anywhere, but it is still not genocide.

Oh, so it's only genocide if you SUCCEED. I see, so by your definition, the Holocaust wasn't genocide. The Holodomor wasn't genocide. The Armenian GENO-FUCKING-CIDE wasn't genocide.

Good work, you've invented a world without genocide.

3000 people isn't genocide...
It;s collateral damage

Seriously, purposefully exterminating 100's of thousands of people purely because they exist is genocide, a minor terrorist attack isn't.
And I say minor because compared to the overall population of the US...yeah...not so significant.

Wow, you don't even care any more, do you?

Look, in terms of war casualties, 3000 just isn't all that much.

Many, many times that number died in the German bombing of British cities during WWII. Many times that number died in a single day at the Battle of Antietam. Many more died than that in the space of an hour in several WWI battles. Yes, it's horrible, but in the grand scheme of things, it's really not a huge number. I know that makes me sound callous, but when you're making claims about genocide, you really should try to take things in perspective.

So the new policy is to not give a fuck when the number of deaths is below 100,000?

No, the policy is to use the language properly and accurately and not appeal to emotion and make up new definitions when in the midst of a discussion.

[Katganistan]

lol.americans have totally been defeated in this aspect.if you ask me most of the terrorists aren't born...they are made into extremists.where?at mosques and religious institutions.im not aganist islam,but seriously!get another place to build a mosque.the terrorists attacked the usa since they said you guys were evil and should follow allah.well i think they would win if a mosque is built on ground zero.

Read the thread first. That's not what it says.

[Tekania]

Islam is the reason the towers went down

The same way Christianity is the reason children get molested.

[Katganistan]

Wow, you don't even care any more, do you?

Look, in terms of war casualties, 3000 just isn't all that much.

Many, many times that number died in the German bombing of British cities during WWII. Many times that number died in a single day at the Battle of Antietam. Many more died than that in the space of an hour in several WWI battles. Yes, it's horrible, but in the grand scheme of things, it's really not a huge number. I know that makes me sound callous, but when you're making claims about genocide, you really should try to take things in perspective.

So the new policy is to not give a fuck when the number of deaths is below 100,000.

No. The new policy is that 9/11 is in no way comparable to the Holocaust, is not an example of genocide and is really something which, by now, you should get over.

So you had a horrific terrorist attack? Join the God damn club - Britain had the London Underground bombings shortly after the Iraq War, and was reeling from IRA attacks (openly funded by US citizens) before that. The USA wasn't the first nation to get attacked by terrorists, and it certainly won't be the last.

Well, you've certainly lost my sympathy the next time terrorists attack you.

Oh, boo hoo.

So because I refuse to submit to the 9/11 Cult, I deserve to have terrorists attack me? You think that you're the only nation to ever have a terrorist attack? Get over yourself.

Please don't lump me in with him. I actually have lived in NYC all my life.

[NeoGordonisia]

Islam is the reason the towers went down

The same way Christianity is the reason children get molested.

no because the radicals were motivated by Islam to commit their attrocity
and Christians aren't motivated by Christianity to molest

[Katganistan]

I cared about the World Trade Centre attacks when they happened.

I do not care now, almost 10 years later, where 9/11 is now routinely dragged out by US citizens hoping to further their partisan goals.

If only those who try and quell diabetes (5% of all deaths globally each year) or heart disease (17 million deaths globally each year) could wrangle such emotion.

Link diabetes or heart disease to Ebul Mozlems, that should get things going.

Them ebil moslems put a stack of sugar in my ice cream.

I heard that McDonalds employs some Muslims.

AL QAEDA OPERATIVES MAY BE POISONING YOUR HAMBURGER!

Just wait till they start slaughtering animals in the Halal way.... then, you'll be truly screwed!!!

If it gets that far, we'll all either be dead or converts.

That's the plan

By that point the Breakfast Menu would do away with bacon and ham, the horror!

Get your hands off my Egg McMuffin!

[Karsol]

Islam is the reason the towers went down

The same way Christianity is the reason children get molested.

no because the radicals were motivated by Islam to commit their attrocity
and Christians aren't motivated by Christianity to molest

Not Islam, but a political interpretation of Islam.

[Katganistan]

I heard that McDonalds employs some Muslims.

AL QAEDA OPERATIVES MAY BE POISONING YOUR HAMBURGER!

Ahahahahahaha!

Who could tell?

[Vervaria]

I heard that McDonalds employs some Muslims.

AL QAEDA OPERATIVES MAY BE POISONING YOUR HAMBURGER!

Ahahahahahaha!

Who could tell?

Presumably you'd die somewhat quicker and less painfully.

[NeoGordonisia]

Islam is the reason the towers went down

The same way Christianity is the reason children get molested.

no because the radicals were motivated by Islam to commit their attrocity
and Christians aren't motivated by Christianity to molest

Not Islam, but a political interpretation of Islam.

i doubt the terrorists thought of it like that

[Katganistan]

how about we deport the muslims so they can build this thing in their own country?

They're Americans. Why don't you go back to where your ancestors came from originally if you find their presence so upsetting?

[Tekania]

Islam is the reason the towers went down

The same way Christianity is the reason children get molested.

no because the radicals were motivated by Islam to commit their attrocity
and Christians aren't motivated by Christianity to molest

"Islam" is not a singular entity. Much like Christianity there are multiple denominations and opposing organizations. To assume that all of Islam is to blame for the actions of a minority group of radicals, is to assume that all of Christianity is to blame for every single child a Cleric or priest molests.

[Vesser]

Islam is the reason the towers went down

The same way Christianity is the reason children get molested.

no because the radicals were motivated by Islam to commit their attrocity
and Christians aren't motivated by Christianity to molest

Not Islam, but a political interpretation of Islam.

i doubt the terrorists thought of it like that

No shit, Sherlock.


They're terrorists, radicals, psychopaths. They would be just as stupid if they were born Christian, Muslim, or Jewish. What your proposing is, because people are idiots, we should deport Muslims?

I propose we deport all Christians, then, because they bomb abortion clinics.

[F1-Insanity]

I think it somewhat is prejudicial behaviour It wasn't the mainstream religion that motivated them but a fringe section. Despite how I feel about all religions, I feel their objections to be completely void of merit.

Except that it was the mainstream 'religion'.

And I think that those folks wanting to build that thing, are doing it deliberately to plan it near the site of 9/11 just to provoke a reaction.

[Katganistan]

Islam is the reason the towers went down

The same way Christianity is the reason children get molested.

no because the radicals were motivated by Islam to commit their attrocity
and Christians aren't motivated by Christianity to molest

Not Islam, but a political interpretation of Islam.

i doubt the terrorists thought of it like that

No shit, Sherlock.


They're terrorists, radicals, psychopaths. They would be just as stupid if they were born Christian, Muslim, or Jewish. What your proposing is, because people are idiots, we should deport Muslims?

I propose we deport all Christians, then, because they bomb abortion clinics.

Hey, thanks for stealing my idea and going one further.

[Vesser]

I think it somewhat is prejudicial behaviour It wasn't the mainstream religion that motivated them but a fringe section. Despite how I feel about all religions, I feel their objections to be completely void of merit.

Except that it was the mainstream 'religion'.

And I think that those folks wanting to build that thing, are doing it deliberately to plan it near the site of 9/11 just to provoke a reaction.

It's been stated numerous times in this thread before that the building was previously owned, and that this is a very convenient place for their congregation. I doubt they're doing it "for the lulz."

Is it so hard to read? I'm pretty sure one of those posts is on this page, too.

[Vesser]

Islam is the reason the towers went down

The same way Christianity is the reason children get molested.

no because the radicals were motivated by Islam to commit their attrocity
and Christians aren't motivated by Christianity to molest

Not Islam, but a political interpretation of Islam.

i doubt the terrorists thought of it like that

No shit, Sherlock.


They're terrorists, radicals, psychopaths. They would be just as stupid if they were born Christian, Muslim, or Jewish. What your proposing is, because people are idiots, we should deport Muslims?

I propose we deport all Christians, then, because they bomb abortion clinics.

Hey, thanks for stealing my idea and going one further.

Not a problem.

[Tekania]

I think it somewhat is prejudicial behaviour It wasn't the mainstream religion that motivated them but a fringe section. Despite how I feel about all religions, I feel their objections to be completely void of merit.

Except that it was the mainstream 'religion'.

And I think that those folks wanting to build that thing, are doing it deliberately to plan it near the site of 9/11 just to provoke a reaction.

And Aliens were captured in Rockwell, The CIA assassinated JFK, and The Towers were demolished by the government... I should buy stock in Reynolds.

[Unchecked Expansion]

I think it somewhat is prejudicial behaviour It wasn't the mainstream religion that motivated them but a fringe section. Despite how I feel about all religions, I feel their objections to be completely void of merit.

Except that it was the mainstream 'religion'.

And I think that those folks wanting to build that thing, are doing it deliberately to plan it near the site of 9/11 just to provoke a reaction.

...except they bought it and have been using it since well before the attacks, have been planning to build this new facility since before the attack and have not changed their plans since the attack

[F1-Insanity]

No. Radicalism and poor choices by several large countries (England, America, and Russia) is the reason the towers went down. Not Islam.

What utter rubbish.

Islam has been violent since day 1 and has advocated the murder of unbelievers since day 1. Islam's founder was very explicitly clear on what he thought should be done (ie to 'slay the unbelievers wherever they can be found'). And most significantly, those words and actions of Muhammad predate anything the USA did, as a matter of fact they predate the USA itself.

It is therefore not: USA actions ---> islamic reaction

But the other way round.

Why does this ridiculous 'radicals misinterpret islam' BS apologism keep persisting? It is just as annoying and false as 'Lenin meant well and Stalin perverted it'...

*expecting imminent rant by Gauthier denying the facts*

[Gauthier]

Islam is the reason the towers went down

The same way Christianity is the reason children get molested.

no because the radicals were motivated by Islam to commit their attrocity
and Christians aren't motivated by Christianity to molest

Catholic dogma forbids priests from having relationships including marriage. A lack of sexual release is more likely to result in molestation. Hence Christianity in some sense motivates people to molest. Thank you come again.

[Tekania]

I think it somewhat is prejudicial behaviour It wasn't the mainstream religion that motivated them but a fringe section. Despite how I feel about all religions, I feel their objections to be completely void of merit.

Except that it was the mainstream 'religion'.

And I think that those folks wanting to build that thing, are doing it deliberately to plan it near the site of 9/11 just to provoke a reaction.

...except they bought it and have been using it since well before the attacks, have been planning to build this new facility since before the attack and have not changed their plans since the attack

Well, can't you tell, obviously this group knew about the attacks, funded and planned them, simply so they could do this down the road. I mean, here we all thought Al Queda was attempting to hit us as an example about our activities in the middle-east... In reality, the entire global terror campaign, the countless terrorist cells, all the camps, the multifacited war was purely to get a rise erecting a new mosque in Manhattan, it was about real-estate... I mean it's so obvious only an idiot could see it!