Mosque by Ground Zero?

[Sith Korriban]

So the new policy is to not give a fuck when the number of deaths is below 100,000?

I rather think the 'new policy' is to stay level-headed and cut out the appeals to emotion. If somebody calls you on your failure with word choice in order to elicit an emotional response, the way to react to this really should not be to keep flailing around hoping you'll 'win' by trying for more emotional responses.

Yes, yes, we're all mean heartless monsters and the only person in this cruel world who really truly cares is you. Whatever. Still doesn't absolve you of the need to stop misusing words just because they have a greater emotional impact.

Don't devalue genocides by including a terrorist attack amongst them. In my eyes, that tawdry disrespect for those devastating times makes you far worse than anyone you're arguing against.

[Callisdrun]

Please invest in a dictionary. Did the governments of Great Britain and the United States of America systematically kill every German in Germany?
Did they even come close?

Then it's not a genocide.
It was a horrible, horrible act of war, and one I'd prefer never were repeated anywhere, but it is still not genocide.

Oh, so it's only genocide if you SUCCEED. I see, so by your definition, the Holocaust wasn't genocide. The Holodomor wasn't genocide. The Armenian GENO-FUCKING-CIDE wasn't genocide.

Good work, you've invented a world without genocide.

3000 people isn't genocide...
It;s collateral damage

Seriously, purposefully exterminating 100's of thousands of people purely because they exist is genocide, a minor terrorist attack isn't.
And I say minor because compared to the overall population of the US...yeah...not so significant.

Wow, you don't even care any more, do you?

Look, in terms of war casualties, 3000 just isn't all that much.

Many, many times that number died in the German bombing of British cities during WWII. Many times that number died in a single day at the Battle of Antietam. Many more died than that in the space of an hour in several WWI battles. Yes, it's horrible, but in the grand scheme of things, it's really not a huge number. I know that makes me sound callous, but when you're making claims about genocide, you really should try to take things in perspective.

So the new policy is to not give a fuck when the number of deaths is below 100,000?

No, the new policy is to inform you that you're being insulting by suggesting that the WTC destruction was at all comparable to real genocides like the holocaust.

[Gauthier]

Well, you've certainly lost my sympathy the next time terrorists attack you.

Except I doubt he'd call that terrorist attack "a genocide" either. Nice to know you're lost in Real America™. That Sign really fits you well.

[Callisdrun]

So the new policy is to not give a fuck when the number of deaths is below 100,000?

I rather think the 'new policy' is to stay level-headed and cut out the appeals to emotion. If somebody calls you on your failure with word choice in order to elicit an emotional response, the way to react to this really should not be to keep flailing around hoping you'll 'win' by trying for more emotional responses.

Yes, yes, we're all mean heartless monsters and the only person in this cruel world who really truly cares is you. Whatever. Still doesn't absolve you of the need to stop misusing words just because they have a greater emotional impact.

Don't devalue genocides by including a terrorist attack amongst them. In my eyes, that tawdry disrespect for those devastating times makes you far worse than anyone you're arguing against.

You said what I wanted to say. But with way more awesome.

[Eevilsheevil]

lol.americans have totally been defeated in this aspect.if you ask me most of the terrorists aren't born...they are made into extremists.where?at mosques and religious institutions.im not aganist islam,but seriously!get another place to build a mosque.the terrorists attacked the usa since they said you guys were evil and should follow allah.well i think they would win if a mosque is built on ground zero.

[Sun Aut Ex]

You know, you're right, I'm being irrational. I shouldn't take it so personally. It was ten years ago, terrorists attacks happen all time, it's not a big deal in the cosmic scale of things.

[Callisdrun]

lol.americans have totally been defeated in this aspect.if you ask me most of the terrorists aren't born...they are made into extremists.where?at mosques and religious institutions.im not aganist islam,but seriously!get another place to build a mosque.the terrorists attacked the usa since they said you guys were evil and should follow allah.well i think they would win if a mosque is built on ground zero.

You should read your own flag.

[Sith Korriban]

lol.americans have totally been defeated in this aspect.if you ask me most of the terrorists aren't born...they are made into extremists.where?at mosques and religious institutions.im not aganist islam,but seriously!get another place to build a mosque.the terrorists attacked the usa since they said you guys were evil and should follow allah.well i think they would win if a mosque is built on ground zero.

Hmm. Not sure if serious.

Just in case you're not a troll, I'll humour your delusions long enough to counter them.

It is not on Ground Zero. It is a few blocks away. They owned that land for about ten years before the attack even happened. They planned to build a mosque from the beginning.

Who are 'they' that will win?

The terrorists? No, no, they win if it is forbidden, because they have succeeded in breaking the spine of the freedom and openness Americans claim to have.

The 'they' who win if this is built, are all proponents of rational thought, equal rights and the freedom to use your own property as you see fit.

[Eevilsheevil]

lol.americans have totally been defeated in this aspect.if you ask me most of the terrorists aren't born...they are made into extremists.where?at mosques and religious institutions.im not aganist islam,but seriously!get another place to build a mosque.the terrorists attacked the usa since they said you guys were evil and should follow allah.well i think they would win if a mosque is built on ground zero.

Hmm. Not sure if serious.

Just in case you're not a troll, I'll humour your delusions long enough to counter them.

It is not on Ground Zero. It is a few blocks away. They owned that land for about ten years before the attack even happened. They planned to build a mosque from the beginning.

Who are 'they' that will win?

The terrorists? No, no, they win if it is forbidden, because they have succeeded in breaking the spine of the freedom and openness Americans claim to have.

The 'they' who win if this is built, are all proponents of rational thought, equal rights and the freedom to use your own property as you see fit.

sure.follow your human rights or whatever.thats what prevents justice being done half the time.and i think the terrorists who flew a plane into the towers were from germany(not from any islamic nation),and yes they became extremists only after they listened to their priest or whatever you call them.and if they really did plan to build a mosque there 10 years ago,go ahead.and equal right huh...what about those people who lost their loved ones on 9/11.sure forget them:/ seriously no one is aganist them building a mosque somewhere else.

[Eevilsheevil]

lol.americans have totally been defeated in this aspect.if you ask me most of the terrorists aren't born...they are made into extremists.where?at mosques and religious institutions.im not aganist islam,but seriously!get another place to build a mosque.the terrorists attacked the usa since they said you guys were evil and should follow allah.well i think they would win if a mosque is built on ground zero.

You should read your own flag.

i don't obey idiots:/ sorry

[Gauthier]

i don't obey idiots:/ sorry

And yet you obey your own impulse to make these posts. Ironic.

[Callisdrun]

i don't obey idiots:/ sorry

And yet you obey your own impulse to make these posts. Ironic.

Isn't it? Irony is such fun.

[Eevilsheevil]

i don't obey idiots:/ sorry

And yet you obey your own impulse to make these posts. Ironic.

first of all if that was an insult,go to church and learn better ones.and second stfu NOob:P

[Sith Korriban]

sure.follow your human rights or whatever.thats what prevents justice being done half the time.and i think the terrorists who flew a plane into the towers were from germany(not from any islamic nation),and yes they became extremists only after they listened to their priest or whatever you call them.and if they really did plan to build a mosque there 10 years ago,go ahead.and equal right huh...what about those people who lost their loved ones on 9/11.sure forget them:/ seriously no one is aganist them building a mosque somewhere else.

I find your lack of coherency disturbing.

What about the people who lost their loved ones? Good question! Let's look a little more closely at one group of those. What about the Muslims who lost their loved ones? What about those unlucky people whose husband, wife, sister, brother, friend might have been there... at the same time as happening to be Muslim?

Should they not have a place of worship nearby to ease their grief?

Innocent Muslims died on the 11th of September that year. They were people like any others. And then their grieving loved ones had to endure not just the loss, but also the blame directed their way by ignorant bigots lumping all Muslims in together.

And that? That is wrong. It should not be the case.

I should note that I'm using you more as a springboard to address others, since your inane conspiracy theory about Germany proves that there is little to no hope of getting a sensible answer out of you.

[Callisdrun]

This dude loves irony.

[Czardas]

lol.americans have totally been defeated in this aspect.if you ask me most of the terrorists aren't born...they are made into extremists.where?at mosques and religious institutions.im not aganist islam,but seriously!get another place to build a mosque.the terrorists attacked the usa since they said you guys were evil and should follow allah.well i think they would win if a mosque is built on ground zero.

You should read your own flag.

i don't obey idiots:/ sorry

i don't obey idiots:/ sorry

And yet you obey your own impulse to make these posts. Ironic.

first of all if that was an insult,go to church and learn better ones.and second stfu NOob:P

Since you're new, I'll advise you that your posts are flaming and therefore against the rules, albeit mild. Consider this an unofficial warning.

[North Suran]

Wow, you don't even care any more, do you?

Look, in terms of war casualties, 3000 just isn't all that much.

Many, many times that number died in the German bombing of British cities during WWII. Many times that number died in a single day at the Battle of Antietam. Many more died than that in the space of an hour in several WWI battles. Yes, it's horrible, but in the grand scheme of things, it's really not a huge number. I know that makes me sound callous, but when you're making claims about genocide, you really should try to take things in perspective.

So the new policy is to not give a fuck when the number of deaths is below 100,000.

No. The new policy is that 9/11 is in no way comparable to the Holocaust, is not an example of genocide and is really something which, by now, you should get over.

So you had a horrific terrorist attack? Join the God damn club - Britain had the London Underground bombings shortly after the Iraq War, and was reeling from IRA attacks (openly funded by US citizens) before that. The USA wasn't the first nation to get attacked by terrorists, and it certainly won't be the last.

Well, you've certainly lost my sympathy the next time terrorists attack you.

Oh, boo hoo.

So because I refuse to submit to the 9/11 Cult, I deserve to have terrorists attack me? You think that you're the only nation to ever have a terrorist attack? Get over yourself.

[JuNii]

While I can see how people can be upset, Kinda like the gas company being a sponsor for the Holocaust memorial... it's their land to do with as they please.

Now what the Muslims should do is put up a memorial or something (besides a Mosque) condemning the actions of those fanatics on that day and have it dedicated to those who lost their lives on that fateful day.

should, not have to. what they do is up to them, however, that doesn't mean they are sheilded from any undesirable reaction or alteration of their 'image' from everyone else depending what they do.

I wish them luck with their decision and I pray that those who will be dissatisfied by their choice to be mature and not let emotions control their reactions.

[Sun Aut Ex]

So because I refuse to submit to the 9/11 Cult, I deserve to have terrorists attack me? You think that you're the only nation to ever have a terrorist attack? Get over yourself.

I didn't say you deserved it. I just said I won't care when it happens.

[Karsol]

Wow, you don't even care any more, do you?

Look, in terms of war casualties, 3000 just isn't all that much.

Many, many times that number died in the German bombing of British cities during WWII. Many times that number died in a single day at the Battle of Antietam. Many more died than that in the space of an hour in several WWI battles. Yes, it's horrible, but in the grand scheme of things, it's really not a huge number. I know that makes me sound callous, but when you're making claims about genocide, you really should try to take things in perspective.

So the new policy is to not give a fuck when the number of deaths is below 100,000.

No. The new policy is that 9/11 is in no way comparable to the Holocaust, is not an example of genocide and is really something which, by now, you should get over.

So you had a horrific terrorist attack? Join the God damn club - Britain had the London Underground bombings shortly after the Iraq War, and was reeling from IRA attacks (openly funded by US citizens) before that. The USA wasn't the first nation to get attacked by terrorists, and it certainly won't be the last.

Well, you've certainly lost my sympathy the next time terrorists attack you.

Meh, if I die, I won't really care.

[North Suran]

So because I refuse to submit to the 9/11 Cult, I deserve to have terrorists attack me? You think that you're the only nation to ever have a terrorist attack? Get over yourself.

I didn't say you deserved it. I just said I won't care when it happens.

I cared about the World Trade Centre attacks when they happened.

I do not care now, almost 10 years later, where 9/11 is now routinely dragged out by US citizens hoping to further their partisan goals.

[Tekania]

sure.follow your human rights or whatever.thats what prevents justice being done half the time.

I see nothing "just" about preventing a long standing liberal-minded group of established NY Muslims being denied the right to tear down their existing building and build a new one suited for the needs of their growing members on land they've owned and been using for quite some time.

and i think the terrorists who flew a plane into the towers were from germany(not from any islamic nation),and yes they became extremists only after they listened to their priest or whatever you call them.

Doesn't really matter where they are from. And they become Extremists after getting involved with other Extremists... This Mosque however has been planned by people who are FAR from "extremeists". Have you even bothered to actually look into this past the FNC retarded talking points?

and if they really did plan to build a mosque there 10 years ago,go ahead.and equal right huh...what about those people who lost their loved ones on 9/11.sure forget them:

Members of THIS MOSQUE being planned LOST friends and loved ones who were working in the towers on 9/11... These people are members of that community, they have been there since before the attack, and they stayed after the attack... Yes, I have absoluely no care in the word for bigoted asswipes continuing the use of 9/11 to engage in bigotry... I haven't forgot about them (lord have I tried), they keep popping back up... If they shut up, it would be much easier to forget about the asswipes.

/ seriously no one is aganist them building a mosque somewhere else.

Hardly anyone (at least, anyone that matters, like most 9/11 survivors and family, as well as much of NYC) is against them building it right there.

[Chumblywumbly]

I cared about the World Trade Centre attacks when they happened.

I do not care now, almost 10 years later, where 9/11 is now routinely dragged out by US citizens hoping to further their partisan goals.

If only those who try and quell diabetes (5% of all deaths globally each year) or heart disease (17 million deaths globally each year) could wrangle such emotion.

[Ifreann]

I cared about the World Trade Centre attacks when they happened.

I do not care now, almost 10 years later, where 9/11 is now routinely dragged out by US citizens hoping to further their partisan goals.

If only those who try and quell diabetes (5% of all deaths globally each year) or heart disease (17 million deaths globally each year) could wrangle such emotion.

Link diabetes or heart disease to Ebul Mozlems, that should get things going.

[Self--Esteem]

I cared about the World Trade Centre attacks when they happened.

I do not care now, almost 10 years later, where 9/11 is now routinely dragged out by US citizens hoping to further their partisan goals.

If only those who try and quell diabetes (5% of all deaths globally each year) or heart disease (17 million deaths globally each year) could wrangle such emotion.

Link diabetes or heart disease to Ebul Mozlems, that should get things going.

Them ebil moslems put a stack of sugar in my ice cream.