How to properly raise a child.

[Greater Americania]

Ok. It sounds to me like you're to emotionally unstable to a parent regardless of your opinions of gay rights.

Why? It's effectively the same case as the one you gave. In both cases, a person is being persecuted for something that the haven't got control over (their sexuality). Persecuting someone because they are heterosexual is exactly as (in)valid as persecuting them because they are homosexual (or bisexual, or anything other sexuality).

lol I said "Ok." not "No, you're wrong." She's right in regards that persecuting people for their homosexuality is as equally as brutal as persecuting someone for their heterosexuality. However, I wouldn't accuse her of child abuse for opposing heterosexuality. I'd accuse her of idiocy and being a bad parent as I think parents should encourage a heterosexual lifestyle. My reply to entails to her being too emotionally unstable to be a parent.

[The Tofu Islands]

Well, I'm sure my opinion doesn't count since I'm a he. But, hypothetically. "It" is just a pronoun where "ey" sounds like The Fonz. It sounds more like a nickname or a name, rather than just a part of the English general language.

To each their own, I guess. Why would your opinion be discounted because your male? I am...

Seriously. I know the Universal 'He' is controversial but I find 'S/he' to be cumbersome, 'One' to be pretentious, the singular 'they' to be awkward, and I can't take any of the invented pronouns seriously (Co, Ne, Hy, Thon, Ve, Xe, Ze, both varieties of Spivak, etc.) so I usually end up using the universal 'He'.

I use Spivak because it's very easy to remember (cut of "th" from "they"). I detest the universal "he" because it assumes the default position for a person is male.

I hadn't ever heard those before. Xe? Ne? Co? It's like they were just randomly throwing darts at a Table of the Elements.

lulz

There are a number of sets of gender-neutral pronouns, I just use the ones I like the most.

[Ryadn]

It wasn't a test, it was a diagnostic criterion that I looked at.

I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to self-diagnose.

I'm still internally lolling at the idea of diagnosing killing people.

Well, what if you /try/ to kill a lot of people, but you're really bad at it? Are you an attempted serial killer? A possible serial killer? A borderline? Criminally inept?

[The Tofu Islands]

lol I said "Ok." not "No, you're wrong." My reply to entails to her being too emotionally unstable to be a parent.

I'm wondering why you think she's any more emotionally unstable then someone who would discriminate against homosexuals (such as, for example, you).

[Everyone is a Pony]

Yes, I was taking situations such as those into account when I used the term "intentively encourage". Because if intentively encourage murder by helping set it up, pay for it to happen (hiring hitmen, assassinations), etc, then you are intentively involved in that person's murder or death.

I believe the word is "intentionally".

And if I were to simply instil the idea of murder into my child? Passively encourage it? Maybe even without intent for it on my part? Should I get away with what is effectively murder?

[South East Europe]

South East Europe, what you experienced as a child was horrific and unacceptable. Your strength of views on this subject is totally understandable and your contribution valuable. But please understand that your attacks on certain posters are not always objective (and, frankly, we shouldn't expect them to be so). You have effectively wished abuse on someone who has put forward a view on parenting that I agree is unsavoury at best; however, if and when they become a parent, they may find that their love for the child eclipses any sense of what they believe to be right and wrong. So perhaps take a deep breath before condeming their future parenting?

Wait, What? I never said that anyone deserved abuse. I asked him if he had experienced abuse and said that many people with strange ideas of victims probably didn't experience abuse.

[The Tofu Islands]

Thanks. I agree with the underlying desire for neutrality but I don't see much wrong with 'they', etc., plural confusion notwithstanding. Still, each to eir own, eh?

The main reason I don't use "they" is the plural confusion... it can end up being somewhat cumbersome...

[Greater Americania]

lol I said "Ok." not "No, you're wrong." My reply to entails to her being too emotionally unstable to be a parent.

I'm wondering why you think she's any more emotionally unstable then someone who would discriminate against homosexuals (such as, for example, you).

Okay:

1) She claims to have been raped.

2) She claims to have met 17/21 FBI designated criteria for being a likely and potential serial killer.

3) She claims to have been abused by her family.

4) She claims to have been ridiculed all her life.

5) She claims to be angry about it all.

6) She has displayed a short fuse on her anger when debating whose fault suicides are.

[Greater Americania]

Yes, I was taking situations such as those into account when I used the term "intentively encourage". Because if intentively encourage murder by helping set it up, pay for it to happen (hiring hitmen, assassinations), etc, then you are intentively involved in that person's murder or death.

I believe the word is "intentionally".

And if I were to simply instil the idea of murder into my child? Passively encourage it? Maybe even without intent for it on my part? Should I get away with what is effectively murder?

If you didn't intentively teach it to your kid, then no.

[Galloism]

Wait Dr. Phil, are you serious? He has a PhD in teaching and claims to be a qualified social worker.

Source: Internal Association of Forensic Science, an article written by FBI

If you have another source, please do present it. I'd like to take the test you took and see how I score.

It wasn't a test, it was a diagnostic criterion that I looked at.

Please do present it. I'd like to look it over and see how I score.

*cough*

[The Tofu Islands]

Okay:
<reasons>

Ah, I misread it and thought that the reason for "emotional instability" was that mention of persecuting heterosexuals. Mind you, I personally don't think you should be a parent, given that you've said that you would potentially abuse a child for something ey has no control over.

[Geniasis]

I use Spivak because it's very easy to remember (cut of "th" from "they"). I detest the universal "he" because it assumes the default position for a person is male.

To each their own, I suppose. As long as we all understand what we all mean when we use certain phrases, there's no point in fighting, right?

[Greater Americania]

Okay:
<reasons>

Ah, I misread it and thought that the reason for "emotional instability" was that mention of persecuting heterosexuals. Mind you, I personally don't think you should be a parent, given that you've said that you would potentially abuse a child for something ey has no control over.

I can see how the child wouldn't take a liking to it, but I don't see it as abuse. Abuse will classify as refusing to feed the child, refusing the clothe or shelter the child, raping the child, etc. All of which are things I never intend to do to my child should I have kids which, I do not plan to have anyways.

[Treznor]

A thought to add: Despite teenage rebelious behaviours of small children, religion should take a key-role throughout a person's childhood. Two morally correct (in my opinion) and non-detached religions would be both Christianity and Islam. Religions such as Taoism are seen to have great negative influences upon young children that practicle the aforementioned religion, usually leading to corruption evident in later life.

I know I'm late to this particular party, but the idea that religion is required for morality has been debunked thoroughly. My children are not and will never be forced into any religion, and they're doing quite well thank you.

[Everyone is a Pony]

I believe the word is "intentionally".

And if I were to simply instil the idea of murder into my child? Passively encourage it? Maybe even without intent for it on my part? Should I get away with what is effectively murder?

If you didn't intentively teach it to your kid, then no.[/quote]

So I'm not to even so much as suspect that s/he'll go out and kill the person I'm prodding them towards hurting? That seems to be an easy cop-out.

[Waterlow]

South East Europe, what you experienced as a child was horrific and unacceptable. Your strength of views on this subject is totally understandable and your contribution valuable. But please understand that your attacks on certain posters are not always objective (and, frankly, we shouldn't expect them to be so). You have effectively wished abuse on someone who has put forward a view on parenting that I agree is unsavoury at best; however, if and when they become a parent, they may find that their love for the child eclipses any sense of what they believe to be right and wrong. So perhaps take a deep breath before condeming their future parenting?

Wait, What? I never said that anyone deserved abuse. I asked him if he had experienced abuse and said that many people with strange ideas of victims probably didn't experience abuse.

I'm so sorry, that was terrible wording on my part. I was referring to your comment about child services descending on Greater Americania. 'Ill' would probably have been better.

Again, sorry.

[Milks Empire]

Okay:
<reasons>

Ah, I misread it and thought that the reason for "emotional instability" was that mention of persecuting heterosexuals. Mind you, I personally don't think you should be a parent, given that you've said that you would potentially abuse a child for something ey has no control over.

I can see how the child wouldn't take a liking to it, but I don't see it as abuse. Abuse will classify as refusing to feed the child, refusing the clothe or shelter the child, raping the child, etc. All of which are things I never intend to do to my child should I have kids which, I do not plan to have anyways.

There's this thing called emotional abuse. Where I'm at, if one gets caught being emotionally abusive (going out of the way to demean a child for something ey cannot control would count), one will be prosecuted for child abuse.

[South East Europe]

If you have another source, please do present it. I'd like to take the test you took and see how I score.

It wasn't a test, it was a diagnostic criterion that I looked at.

Please do present it. I'd like to look it over and see how I score.

I honestly looked all over for it, the FBI does their searches weird on their website.

[Galloism]

I honestly looked all over for it, the FBI does their searches weird on their website.

I got time.

[South East Europe]

Okay:

1) She claims to have been raped.

2) She claims to have met 17/21 FBI designated criteria for being a likely and potential serial killer.

3) She claims to have been abused by her family.

4) She claims to have been ridiculed all her life.

5) She claims to be angry about it all.

6) She has displayed a short fuse on her anger when debating whose fault suicides are.

You are right, but this doesn't make me psychiatrically or psychologically unfit to be a parent

[Pope Joan]

Start off by running everything for them, since they are completely helpless.

Don't worry about the color of their booties or the kind of toys they get; just notice what they enjoy and go with that. But first off, keep them safe. No dangerous cribs etc.

Then as they get older gradually give them more autonomy. But remember, autonomy ends where playing in traffic begins!

Read to them, discuss things, respect their opinions.

Make them you first priority (and your SO as well); if they need expensive medical care, pay for it and put off getting another car.

If you feel you must punish, warn first, then if punishment is necessary, explain afterward and assure them of your continued affection.

Offer your informed opinion but let them make their own mistakes. "In my opinion you are too young to chew snuff; it will make you sick. But if you doubt me, find out for yourself." Respect their freedom of conscience. Do not expect thanks.

[South East Europe]

According to your logic, simple movement can be classed as a "neurological disorder". Your muscles move in accordance with electrical impulses that "originate in the brain".

If he's arguing that transsexualism is a neurological disorder he's right. It's officially known as Gender Identity Disorder. People with the disorder are extremely discontent with the body they are born with and feel more comfortable after converting to the body type of the other gender. This disorder influences them to choose to switch over.

Just saw this now. Wow, Gender Identity Disorder is in the DSM and widely accepted term for Transsexualism so it must be the official term. However, it is not the proper medical term or the term used by qualified medical professionals in the field of Gender Identity for Transsexualism . My Psychiatrist diagnosed me with Transsexualism and that is what is on my medical record, not Gender Identity Disorder, thank you very much. Then again, Gender Identity Disorder and Transsexualism could be two very different medical conditions that most of society thinks are the same. I'm not discontent with my body, society is discontent with my body. I just know that I am a girl so I act, dress and appear accordingly. Also, Gender Identity Disorder is a mental illness, Transsexualism is an intersex condition. I am not confused about my Gender Identity, I am not secretly homosexual, so Gender Identity Disorder wouldn't even be a proper diagnosis. That's probably why my Psychiatrist who has specialized in Gender Identity for 30 years diagnosed me with Transsexualism and not Gender Identity Disorder.

[Smunkeeville]

lol I said "Ok." not "No, you're wrong." My reply to entails to her being too emotionally unstable to be a parent.

I'm wondering why you think she's any more emotionally unstable then someone who would discriminate against homosexuals (such as, for example, you).

Okay:

1) She claims to have been raped.

2) She claims to have met 17/21 FBI designated criteria for being a likely and potential serial killer.

3) She claims to have been abused by her family.

4) She claims to have been ridiculed all her life.

5) She claims to be angry about it all.

6) She has displayed a short fuse on her anger when debating whose fault suicides are.

Add recovering drug addict for me.......you gonna come get my kids too?

(although I'm not sure about the serial killer part....I might get a different score)

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I won't even dare venture a guess. I don't have kids, I know they don't come with instructions or anything of the sort. I don't know anything about parenting so I can't say.

[Ryadn]

According to your logic, simple movement can be classed as a "neurological disorder". Your muscles move in accordance with electrical impulses that "originate in the brain".

If he's arguing that transsexualism is a neurological disorder he's right. It's officially known as Gender Identity Disorder. People with the disorder are extremely discontent with the body they are born with and feel more comfortable after converting to the body type of the other gender. This disorder influences them to choose to switch over.

Just saw this now. Wow, Gender Identity Disorder is in the DSM and widely accepted term for Transsexualism so it must be the official term. However, it is not the proper medical term or the term used by qualified medical professionals in the field of Gender Identity for Transsexualism . My Psychiatrist diagnosed me with Transsexualism and that is what is on my medical record, not Gender Identity Disorder, thank you very much. Then again, Gender Identity Disorder and Transsexualism could be two very different medical conditions that most of society thinks are the same. I'm not discontent with my body, society is discontent with my body. I just know that I am a girl so I act, dress and appear accordingly. Also, Gender Identity Disorder is a mental illness, Transsexualism is an intersex condition. I am not confused about my Gender Identity, I am not secretly homosexual, so Gender Identity Disorder wouldn't even be a proper diagnosis. That's probably why my Psychiatrist who has specialized in Gender Identity for 30 years diagnosed me with Transsexualism and not Gender Identity Disorder.

The diagnosis of Gender Identity Disorder is not necessarily the same thing. It is entirely plausible that the treatment for Gender Identity Disorder, for instance, is to transition to a different gender so there is congruity. The "disorder" part is in the conflict one feels internally. If there is no conflict, there is no disorder.

It irks me that people use the DSM to promote social agendas or argue that "everyone could be diagnosed with some mental illness!" One of the most basic criteria of any disorder is that it has a pronounced negative effect on the individual's life.