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Postby Getbrett » Thu Jul 02, 2009 1:23 pm

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South East Europe wrote:I meet 17/21 of the criteria by the FBI for a serial killer.


I'm dying to find out two things about this fact:

1. Why you spouted it,
2. Where I could take it, just so I can claim I am more serial killerish and therefore more objectively crazy than you, in an attempt to dispell your bizarre persecution complex.


I thought there were only fourteen signs...

There's only one sign of being a serial killer: you kill, serially.

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Postby Galloism » Thu Jul 02, 2009 1:23 pm

Getbrett wrote:
Galloism wrote:I thought there were only fourteen signs...

There's only one sign of being a serial killer: you kill, serially.


I was right.

http://www.drphil.com/articles/article/188
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Postby Getbrett » Thu Jul 02, 2009 1:24 pm

Galloism wrote:
Getbrett wrote:
Galloism wrote:I thought there were only fourteen signs...

There's only one sign of being a serial killer: you kill, serially.


I was right.

http://www.drphil.com/articles/article/188

I'm going to kill you with cereal.

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Postby South East Europe » Thu Jul 02, 2009 1:25 pm

Getbrett wrote:
South East Europe wrote:I meet 17/21 of the criteria by the FBI for a serial killer.


I'm dying to find out two things about this fact:

1. Why you spouted it,
2. Where I could take it, just so I can claim I am more serial killerish and therefore more objectively crazy than you, in an attempt to dispell your bizarre persecution complex.


Oh, you can find the listing of the criteria on the FBI website.
(Criteria for being a potential Serial Killer.)
I don't have a bizzare persecution complex since I have been persecuted.
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Re: How to properly raise a child.

Postby Galloism » Thu Jul 02, 2009 1:25 pm

Getbrett wrote:I'm going to kill you with cereal.


It's a duel then. My Total vs... whatever cereal you use.
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Postby Everyone is a Pony » Thu Jul 02, 2009 1:26 pm

Greater Americania wrote:I would support that person's prosecution. While I can understand their stress from real life personal experiences, we cannot allow unpunished murder to occur in society.


And I agree with that.

But: Say I had a kid, and didn't immediately sprint the 40 kilometres or so to the abortion clinic. Say I were to encourage that child to murder someone else, in my place. Say my kid went through with it. In the eyes of the law, that makes me responsible in part for the other person's death.

This is, to me, no different to causing enough trauma on someone that they end up killing themselves. I hold no distinction, in my mind, between murder and suicide. No person will, unprompted and under no stress, commit suicide.
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Postby Geniasis » Thu Jul 02, 2009 1:26 pm

Phenia wrote:There is nothing inherently de-humanizing about simple pronoun use. I think it's more de-humanizing to use these goofy sounding nonsense words. I'd rather be an "it" than an "ey" or whatever.


Seriously. I know the Universal 'He' is controversial but I find 'S/he' to be cumbersome, 'One' to be pretentious, the singular 'they' to be awkward, and I can't take any of the invented pronouns seriously (Co, Ne, Hy, Thon, Ve, Xe, Ze, both varieties of Spivak, etc.) so I usually end up using the universal 'He'.
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DaWoad wrote:nah, she only fought because, as everyone knows, the brits can't make a decent purse to save their lives and she had a VERY important shopping trip coming up!


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Postby South East Europe » Thu Jul 02, 2009 1:27 pm

Galloism wrote:
Getbrett wrote:
Galloism wrote:I thought there were only fourteen signs...

There's only one sign of being a serial killer: you kill, serially.


I was right.

http://www.drphil.com/articles/article/188


Wait Dr. Phil, are you serious? He has a PhD in teaching and claims to be a qualified social worker.
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Postby The Tofu Islands » Thu Jul 02, 2009 1:28 pm

Phenia wrote:There is nothing inherently de-humanizing about simple pronoun use. I think it's more de-humanizing to use these goofy sounding nonsense words. I'd rather be an "it" than an "ey" or whatever.

It's not inherent, but it is still an effect that using "it" has, and it's why I don't use "it".

I'll try to remember that you prefer "it" to "ey", though. (Or you could just say whether to use "he" or "she"...)

Ledarre wrote:Okay, well I would assume that it would be much harder for a child without any gender identity to make friends (since children seem to be very good at making fun of anyone different). This may lead to a state of normlessness or "anomie" (feeling you do not belong), if this is unchecked it could eventually lead to "Anomic suicide". Alternatively I could be speaking rubbish.

I think the second option is more likely ;)

Oh, and Everything is a Pony: well said. That's basically what I'm trying to say. Thanks :)
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Re: How to properly raise a child.

Postby Galloism » Thu Jul 02, 2009 1:28 pm

South East Europe wrote:Wait Dr. Phil, are you serious? He has a PhD in teaching and claims to be a qualified social worker.


Article wrote:Source: Internal Association of Forensic Science, an article written by FBI


If you have another source, please do present it. I'd like to take the test you took and see how I score.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
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Postby Greater Americania » Thu Jul 02, 2009 1:28 pm

Everyone is a Pony wrote:And I agree with that.

But: Say I had a kid, and didn't immediately sprint the 40 kilometres or so to the abortion clinic. Say I were to encourage that child to murder someone else, in my place. Say my kid went through with it. In the eyes of the law, that makes me responsible in part for the other person's death.

This is, to me, no different to causing enough trauma on someone that they end up killing themselves. I hold no distinction, in my mind, between murder and suicide. No person will, unprompted and under no stress, commit suicide.


Yes, I was taking situations such as those into account when I used the term "intentively encourage". Because if intentively encourage murder by helping set it up, pay for it to happen (hiring hitmen, assassinations), etc, then you are intentively involved in that person's murder or death.
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Postby Getbrett » Thu Jul 02, 2009 1:29 pm

South East Europe wrote:
Getbrett wrote:
South East Europe wrote:I meet 17/21 of the criteria by the FBI for a serial killer.


I'm dying to find out two things about this fact:

1. Why you spouted it,
2. Where I could take it, just so I can claim I am more serial killerish and therefore more objectively crazy than you, in an attempt to dispell your bizarre persecution complex.


Oh, you can find the listing of the criteria on the FBI website.
(Criteria for being a potential Serial Killer.)
I don't have a bizzare persecution complex since I have been persecuted.


You are acting irrationally emotive. You are displaying clear signs of being angry and aggressive. You feel like we are persecuting you now. We're not. Past persecution does not overrule the potential for a current persecution complex.

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Postby Minnas » Thu Jul 02, 2009 1:29 pm

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Minnas wrote: >:(


Sorry.

The Internet: Where men are men, women are men, and children are FBI agents.


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Postby South East Europe » Thu Jul 02, 2009 1:30 pm

Greater Americania wrote: So if my child starts to display a different behavior I view as wrong such as homosexuality, despite whatever influences it, I'll oppose it.


If I said that I would oppose my child displaying heterosexuality because I view that as wrong, I would be accused of child abuse.
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Postby South East Europe » Thu Jul 02, 2009 1:31 pm

Galloism wrote:
South East Europe wrote:Wait Dr. Phil, are you serious? He has a PhD in teaching and claims to be a qualified social worker.


Article wrote:Source: Internal Association of Forensic Science, an article written by FBI


If you have another source, please do present it. I'd like to take the test you took and see how I score.


It wasn't a test, it was a diagnostic criterion that I looked at.
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Postby Galloism » Thu Jul 02, 2009 1:32 pm

South East Europe wrote:
Galloism wrote:
South East Europe wrote:Wait Dr. Phil, are you serious? He has a PhD in teaching and claims to be a qualified social worker.


Article wrote:Source: Internal Association of Forensic Science, an article written by FBI


If you have another source, please do present it. I'd like to take the test you took and see how I score.


It wasn't a test, it was a diagnostic criterion that I looked at.


Please do present it. I'd like to look it over and see how I score.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
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Postby Greater Americania » Thu Jul 02, 2009 1:34 pm

South East Europe wrote:
Greater Americania wrote: So if my child starts to display a different behavior I view as wrong such as homosexuality, despite whatever influences it, I'll oppose it.


If I said that I would oppose my child displaying heterosexuality because I view that as wrong, I would be accused of child abuse.


Ok. It sounds to me like you're to emotionally unstable to a parent regardless of your opinions of gay rights.
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Postby Geniasis » Thu Jul 02, 2009 1:35 pm

South East Europe wrote:It wasn't a test, it was a diagnostic criterion that I looked at.


I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to self-diagnose.
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DaWoad wrote:nah, she only fought because, as everyone knows, the brits can't make a decent purse to save their lives and she had a VERY important shopping trip coming up!


Reichskommissariat ost wrote:Women are as good as men , I dont know why they constantly whine about things.


Euronion wrote:because how dare me ever ever try to demand rights for myself, right men, we should just lie down and let the women trample over us, let them take awa our rights, our right to vote will be next just don't say I didn't warn ou

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Postby Waterlow » Thu Jul 02, 2009 1:36 pm

South East Europe, what you experienced as a child was horrific and unacceptable. Your strength of views on this subject is totally understandable and your contribution valuable. But please understand that your attacks on certain posters are not always objective (and, frankly, we shouldn't expect them to be so). You have effectively wished abuse on someone who has put forward a view on parenting that I agree is unsavoury at best; however, if and when they become a parent, they may find that their love for the child eclipses any sense of what they believe to be right and wrong. So perhaps take a deep breath before condeming their future parenting?
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Postby Phenia » Thu Jul 02, 2009 1:36 pm

The Tofu Islands wrote:It's not inherent, but it is still an effect that using "it" has, and it's why I don't use "it".

I'll try to remember that you prefer "it" to "ey", though. (Or you could just say whether to use "he" or "she"...)


Well, I'm sure my opinion doesn't count since I'm a he. But, hypothetically. "It" is just a pronoun where "ey" sounds like The Fonz. It sounds more like a nickname or a name, rather than just a part of the English general language.

Geniasis wrote:Seriously. I know the Universal 'He' is controversial but I find 'S/he' to be cumbersome, 'One' to be pretentious, the singular 'they' to be awkward, and I can't take any of the invented pronouns seriously (Co, Ne, Hy, Thon, Ve, Xe, Ze, both varieties of Spivak, etc.) so I usually end up using the universal 'He'.


I hadn't ever heard those before. Xe? Ne? Co? It's like they were just randomly throwing darts at a Table of the Elements.
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Postby Greater Americania » Thu Jul 02, 2009 1:36 pm

Geniasis wrote:
South East Europe wrote:It wasn't a test, it was a diagnostic criterion that I looked at.


I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to self-diagnose.


Well if she meets the criterion, the person showing her the qualifications for a likely future serial killer is irrelevant.
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Postby The Tofu Islands » Thu Jul 02, 2009 1:36 pm

Greater Americania wrote:Ok. It sounds to me like you're to emotionally unstable to a parent regardless of your opinions of gay rights.

Why? It's effectively the same case as the one you gave. In both cases, a person is being persecuted for something that the haven't got control over (their sexuality). Persecuting someone because they are heterosexual is exactly as (in)valid as persecuting them because they are homosexual (or bisexual, or anything other sexuality).
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Postby Waterlow » Thu Jul 02, 2009 1:38 pm

The Tofu Islands wrote:
Waterlow wrote:OK, that's two people writing 'eir' and 'ey' rather than 'their' and 'they'. Huh?

Explanation.
Basically, we're referring to people without defining whether they are male or female. Because their sex is irrelevant. 'They' has connotations of referring to a group.

Thanks. I agree with the underlying desire for neutrality but I don't see much wrong with 'they', etc., plural confusion notwithstanding. Still, each to eir own, eh? :)
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Postby Getbrett » Thu Jul 02, 2009 1:38 pm

Geniasis wrote:
South East Europe wrote:It wasn't a test, it was a diagnostic criterion that I looked at.


I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to self-diagnose.


I'm still internally lolling at the idea of diagnosing killing people.

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Postby South East Europe » Thu Jul 02, 2009 1:39 pm

Getbrett wrote:You are acting irrationally emotive. You are displaying clear signs of being angry and aggressive. You feel like we are persecuting you now. We're not. Past persecution does not overrule the potential for a current persecution complex.


Look, I have serious physical and emotional pain, I am on steroids and have even more testosterone in my body then I should have. It's like 90% Testosterone to 10% Estrogen. It was 60% to 40% before I needed to take the steroids. Your right I am being emotive. If you look at what your conveying by irrationally emotive, the explanation of it would be irrational. However, I don't feel like I'm being persecuted right now.
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