How to properly raise a child.

[Ryadn]

I view children as an inconvenience at the minimum, an obstacle otherwise. I will never reproduce as I have no patience for creatures like children.

If, by unfortunate circumstance, I were to reproduce, I'd raise my child as an effective clone of myself.

Oh, people have been attempting that one since the dawn of time. Those are the kids that usually murder you in your sleep.

[Getbrett]

We are not the same in any way, not even close. Not identifying with emotion is a serious psychiatric illness and it can be treated with medications so that you have emotions.

Also, your right I went too far, but Sociopathia does not give you an excuse to be so Pompous. I should have realized that you didn't want children in the first place, so I should not have interrogated you about it.

Serious wtfing. One, it cannot be treated by medication and two, why the fuck would I want to be emotionally typical? You've already demonstrated a short temper and rapid cycling of mood on this single thread. It would drive me fucking mad to be as pathetically emotive as neurotypicals.

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[Greater Americania]

Person A wouldn't have done anything without person B constantly running eir mouth. Person B is equally as guilty as person A.

That has nothing to do with who did it. It has to do with what influenced the person to do it. So the person making the second person suicidal is not guilty so long as he intentively does not encourage suicide.

[Everyone is a Pony]

I am willing to believe that you have never been emotionally, physically, or sexually abused or tortured. All of that happened to me. How dare you blame someone for being pushed to suicide from years of abuse. You seem to be very narrow-minded and much more unfit to be a parent than GetBrett. I hope that you never have children and if you do, they get taken from you by child services.

You really don't know who you're talking to. I've been picked on all my life and I've even been suicidal at a point. But I acknowledge that if I would have, it would have been my fault not others around me because their actions did not force me to commit suicide. How dare you insult me in such a manner! I wish the same to you so that your children aren't indoctrinated by your illogical bullshit.

So if a person is repeatedly traumatised, over a long number of years (say, 15 or so), and end up harming or killing their abuser to get away from the torment, you'd place the blame entirely on the person?

I find it harder to place blame squarely on the shoulders of a person who was previously victimised. Chances are fair that, had it not been for the actions of the other, they wouldn't have committed grievous bodily harm/murder/suicide et al. In that way, the abuser is at least partially responsible. While I do agree that in the end, the person who commits suicide has chosen to do so. But they are not responsible entirely for the blame, and thus should not also be party to all of the stigma.

Not that this is particularly likely in today's (or any other) society, anyway.

[Waterlow]

OK, that's two people writing 'eir' and 'ey' rather than 'their' and 'they'. Huh?

[Greater Americania]

Serious wtfing. One, it cannot be treated by medication and two, why the fuck would I want to be emotionally typical? You've already demonstrated a short temper and rapid cycling of mood on this single thread. It would drive me fucking mad to be as pathetically emotive as neurotypicals.

I'm not a diagnosed sociopath such as yourself but I am not very emotional and I agree with you here. Emotions, in most cases, simply get in the way of intellectual thinking as South East Europe is demonstrating here with his over-compassionate arguments.

[Everyone is a Pony]

No, my logic does not reduce to that. Note the choice of the word "disorder". This word implies "deviation from the norm". Sociopathy, homosexuality and transexualism are all deviations from the norm. They are all neurological disorders. Movement is merely neurological.

Define "normal".

And no, what is "usual" or "common" does not necessarily constitute "normal". I suspect that even if numbers were reversed, and heterosexuals suddenly found themselves to be in the minority, homosexuality would still be defined as "unnatural" and "abnormal".

[The Tofu Islands]

That has nothing to do with who did it. It has to do with what influenced the person to do it. So the person making the second person suicidal is not guilty so long as he intentively does not encourage suicide.

Correct, it has nothing to do with who did it.

However:

So you're saying that if person A were to abuse person B until person B felt that ey had nothing left worth living for and killed eirself it would be person B's fault instead of person A's?

Yes, because person B pulled the plug out of a emotional response rather than person A.

Notice the 'fault'? It is (at least somewhat) person B's fault because ey made it so that person A didn't feel like ey had anything left to live for.

[Greater Americania]

So if a person is repeatedly traumatised, over a long number of years (say, 15 or so), and end up harming or killing their abuser to get away from the torment, you'd place the blame entirely on the person?

I find it harder to place blame squarely on the shoulders of a person who was previously victimised. Chances are fair that, had it not been for the actions of the other, they wouldn't have committed grievous bodily harm/murder/suicide et al. In that way, the abuser is at least partially responsible. While I do agree that in the end, the person who commits suicide has chosen to do so. But they are not responsible entirely for the blame, and thus should not also be party to all of the stigma.

Not that this is particularly likely in today's (or any other) society, anyway.

I would support that person's prosecution. While I can understand their stress from real life personal experiences, we cannot allow unpunished murder to occur in society.

[South East Europe]

You really don't know who you're talking to. I've been picked on all my life and I've even been suicidal at a point. But I acknowledge that if I would have, it would have been my fault not others around me because their actions did not force me to commit suicide. How dare you insult me in such a manner! I wish the same to you so that your children aren't indoctrinated by your illogical bullshit.

Actually, You don't know who your talking to. Even been raped? Beaten near to death? Blamed for all the torture you went through? I'm willing to guess no. I attempted suicide 17 times, I meet 17/21 of the criteria by the FBI for a serial killer, I cry whenever anyone touches me anywhere on my body, I have been diagnosed with major psychiatric disorders. Want to know why? All of it is because of what my family did to me. I have a right to tell you that you are an unfit parent because you are saying you would not tolerate Her/Him for being different. All of the things people put me through equates to one thing: Intolerance. Nothing I say is illogical, unless you are saying that blaming the attacker and not the victim is illogical.

[The Tofu Islands]

OK, that's two people writing 'eir' and 'ey' rather than 'their' and 'they'. Huh?

Explanation.
Basically, we're referring to people without defining whether they are male or female. Because their sex is irrelevant. 'They' has connotations of referring to a group.

[Ryadn]

Proclaiming my neurological disorder as requiring "mental help" and "psychiatric evaluation" is incredibly rich coming from someone with their own neurological disorder. We're two sides of the same coin.

If my child was a clone of me, they would present a shallow affect and would be neurologically incapable of being emotionally abused. They'd be superior beings.

Since I do not have a neurological disorder, we aren't two sides of the same coin. Unless you consider Transsexualism a neurological disorder, then Homosexuality would also be a neurological disorder.

Extremely arrogant and self-centered people like yourself are the worst type of parents. And judging by how you view yourself, children, and others, you likely have a major form of Psychosis.

Instead of badgering someone who will never have children about how he might hypothetically cause harm to his hypothetical children, why don't we get back to the topic?

[Greater Americania]

Notice the 'fault'? It is (at least somewhat) person B's fault because ey made it so that person A didn't feel like ey had anything left to live for.

First off, they is spelled as I have written it, not "ey". Second off, it is only their fault if they have done one of two things: Intentively encouraged it or done it themselves.

[Jordaxia]

OK, that's two people writing 'eir' and 'ey' rather than 'their' and 'they'. Huh?

They're gender neutral. Though so is 'they' but that's also plural.

[Phenia]

OK, that's two people writing 'eir' and 'ey' rather than 'their' and 'they'. Huh?

They're gender neutral. Though so is 'they' but that's also plural.

"It" is a gender neutral singular pronoun. Why not us that?

[The Tofu Islands]

Notice the 'fault'? It is (at least somewhat) person B's fault because ey made it so that person A didn't feel like ey had anything left to live for.

First off, they is spelled as I have written it, not "ey". Second off, it is only their fault if they have done one of two things: Intentively encouraged it or done it themselves.

1. "They" is spelt with a "th", and if I was trying to write "they" I'd have included a "th". I was, however, trying to write "ey", which I succeeded at doing.
2. I'm arguing that sustained abuse counts as encouraging it. Is this reasonable?

[The Tofu Islands]

"It" is a gender neutral singular pronoun. Why not us that?

"It", because it usually refers to objects rather then to beings, has dehumanising effects.

[Ryadn]

Not identifying with emotion is a serious psychiatric illness and it can be treated with medications so that you have emotions.

*peers down into a deep chasm*

Are you /still/ digging?

[South East Europe]

Serious wtfing. One, it cannot be treated by medication and two, why the fuck would I want to be emotionally typical? You've already demonstrated a short temper and rapid cycling of mood on this single thread. It would drive me fucking mad to be as pathetically emotive as neurotypicals.

I'm not a diagnosed sociopath such as yourself but I am not very emotional and I agree with you here. Emotions, in most cases, simply get in the way of intellectual thinking as South East Europe is demonstrating here with his over-compassionate arguments.

Greater Americania, Now I have to speak in third person. South East Europe is not having over-compassionate arguments. SHE is merely commenting on what SHE believes to be good and bad parenting. HER beliefs based on personal experiences and facts is merely what SHE is presenting. Really, Greater Americania, it wouldn't hurt you to show some civility.

[Phenia]

"It" is a gender neutral singular pronoun. Why not us that?

"It", because it usually refers to objects rather then to beings, has dehumanising effects.

There is nothing inherently de-humanizing about simple pronoun use. I think it's more de-humanizing to use these goofy sounding nonsense words. I'd rather be an "it" than an "ey" or whatever.

[Greater Americania]

Actually, You don't know who your talking to. Even been raped? Beaten near to death? Blamed for all the torture you went through? I'm willing to guess no. I attempted suicide 17 times, I meet 17/21 of the criteria by the FBI for a serial killer, I cry whenever anyone touches me anywhere on my body, I have been diagnosed with major psychiatric disorders. Want to know why? All of it is because of what my family did to me. I have a right to tell you that you are an unfit parent because you are saying you would not tolerate Her/Him for being different. All of the things people put me through equates to one thing: Intolerance. Nothing I say is illogical, unless you are saying that blaming the attacker and not the victim is illogical.

Different is one thing. I have no problem with people being different. I am different. I live in a fanatical football loving community. I can't stand to watch football. When the Superbowl comes on every year, I never watch it. Rather than watching sports games and debating over who's going win Monday night, I'd much rather engage in a political/philosophical debate such as this one. In my locale, I'm one of a kind. There is nothing wrong with being different, but that doesn't mean everything that is different is Ok. So if my child starts to display a different behavior I view as wrong such as homosexuality, despite whatever influences it, I'll oppose it.

As to your first sentences, I'm not surprised that you've been diagnosed and you're so angry. From a stranger's standpoint it sounds to me like you have serious emotional issues that you need to get a hold on before they get a hold on you. I wouldn't be surprised if I discovered later on that you've lied to me about alot of the things you listed, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was proven as true as well.

[Getbrett]

I meet 17/21 of the criteria by the FBI for a serial killer.

I'm dying to find out two things about this fact:

1. Why you spouted it,
2. Where I could take it, just so I can claim I am more serial killerish and therefore more objectively crazy than you, in an attempt to dispell your bizarre persecution complex.

[Ledarre]

I don't really know... Although I would say reinforcing gender identity is actually good for the child, since it reflects societies norms and values. However as I've said I'm not really sure.

I don't quite get what you mean Ledarre.

Okay, well I would assume that it would be much harder for a child without any gender identity to make friends (since children seem to be very good at making fun of anyone different). This may lead to a state of normlessness or "anomie" (feeling you do not belong), if this is unchecked it could eventually lead to "Anomic suicide". Alternatively I could be speaking rubbish.

[Galloism]

I meet 17/21 of the criteria by the FBI for a serial killer.

I'm dying to find out two things about this fact:

1. Why you spouted it,
2. Where I could take it, just so I can claim I am more serial killerish and therefore more objectively crazy than you, in an attempt to dispell your bizarre persecution complex.

I thought there were only fourteen signs...

EDIT: I was right. http://www.drphil.com/articles/article/188

[Greater Americania]

I meet 17/21 of the criteria by the FBI for a serial killer.

I'm dying to find out two things about this fact:

1. Why you spouted it,
2. Where I could take it, just so I can claim I am more serial killerish and therefore more objectively crazy than you, in an attempt to dispell your bizarre persecution complex.

She spouted it because she's angry.