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Postby South East Europe » Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:38 pm

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Greater Americania wrote:Sexual orientation isn't a choice, but I'd condemn it regardless should my child come to me saying he's gay. Other than that, how I raise him/her would depend on the gender of the child.


And S/He would probably end up committing suicide. Would you really want that on your conscience?

Heterosexist bigots (in general) either don't care or would celebrate it (à la Fred Phelps). *nods*


Your very right indeed. However, Fred Phelps is a self-hating repressed homosexual.
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Postby Getbrett » Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:40 pm

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Milks Empire wrote:Children are nothing less than a gift. I pity any children that wind up with you as a parent. From what you're hinting at here, they'll wind up abused and/or disowned if they deviate in the slightest from what Daddy Dearest wants them to be.


No, I wouldn't abuse a child. I might ignore it if I found it uninteresting, which is why I'd raise it to be a clone of me.


I think you need a psychiatric evaluation. Ignoring a child because you find Her/Him uninteresting is a form of abuse. If you don't think it is, I suggest you seek mental help.


Proclaiming my neurological disorder as requiring "mental help" and "psychiatric evaluation" is incredibly rich coming from someone with their own neurological disorder. We're two sides of the same coin.

If my child was a clone of me, they would present a shallow affect and would be neurologically incapable of being emotionally abused. They'd be superior beings.

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Postby South East Europe » Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:41 pm

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Greater Americania wrote:Sexual orientation isn't a choice, but I'd condemn it regardless should my child come to me saying he's gay. Other than that, how I raise him/her would depend on the gender of the child.


And S/He would probably end up committing suicide. Would you really want that on your conscience?


A suicide is the fault of the person commiting the suicide, not the fault of the non-supportive people in their life.


Intolerance of people who are different leads the person who is different to have major psychiatric problems. If you yreat someone like they are the worst person on earth, it will make them very upset and hurt. Intolerant people and Unsupportive people cause most suicides. You have no right to blame the victim.
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Postby Waterlow » Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:42 pm

Has Getbrett not made it abundantly clear that he does not want children? And I think he's well aware of his psychological make-up.

There's something a bit wrong with beating someone down for having the potential to abuse someone when they clearly have no intention of putting themselves in that position.
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Postby TotenkopfverbandeInich » Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:42 pm

A thought to add: Despite teenage rebelious behaviours of small children, religion should take a key-role throughout a person's childhood. Two morally correct (in my opinion) and non-detached religions would be both Christianity and Islam. Religions such as Taoism are seen to have great negative influences upon young children that practicle the aforementioned religion, usually leading to corruption evident in later life. :bow:

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Postby The Tofu Islands » Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:43 pm

Greater Americania wrote:A suicide is the fault of the person commiting the suicide, not the fault of the non-supportive people in their life.

So you're saying that if person A were to abuse person B until person B felt that ey had nothing left worth living for and killed eirself it would be person B's fault instead of person A's?
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Postby Galloism » Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:43 pm

TotenkopfverbandeInich wrote:A thought to add: Despite teenage rebelious behaviours of small children, religion should take a key-role throughout a person's childhood. Two morally correct (in my opinion) and non-detached religions would be both Christianity and Islam. Religions such as Taoism are seen to have great negative influences upon young children that practicle the aforementioned religion, usually leading to corruption evident in later life. :bow:


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Postby Greater Americania » Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:43 pm

South East Europe wrote:Intolerance of people who are different leads the person who is different to have major psychiatric problems. If you yreat someone like they are the worst person on earth, it will make them very upset and hurt. Intolerant people and Unsupportive people cause most suicides. You have no right to blame the victim.


Yes I do, as they would have done it. The same way I blame a criminal for theft even if the only reason he stole was because he was poor. (Poverty is a cause of crimes such as these)
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Postby Greater Americania » Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:44 pm

The Tofu Islands wrote:So you're saying that if person A were to abuse person B until person B felt that ey had nothing left worth living for and killed eirself it would be person B's fault instead of person A's?


Yes, because person B pulled the plug out of a emotional response rather than person A.
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Postby South East Europe » Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:45 pm

Getbrett wrote:Proclaiming my neurological disorder as requiring "mental help" and "psychiatric evaluation" is incredibly rich coming from someone with their own neurological disorder. We're two sides of the same coin.

If my child was a clone of me, they would present a shallow affect and would be neurologically incapable of being emotionally abused. They'd be superior beings.


Since I do not have a neurological disorder, we aren't two sides of the same coin. Unless you consider Transsexualism a neurological disorder, then Homosexuality would also be a neurological disorder.

Extremely arrogant and self-centered people like yourself are the worst type of parents. And judging by how you view yourself, children, and others, you likely have a major form of Psychosis.
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Postby Waterlow » Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:46 pm

TotenkopfverbandeInich wrote:A thought to add: Despite teenage rebelious behaviours of small children, religion should take a key-role throughout a person's childhood. Two morally correct (in my opinion) and non-detached religions would be both Christianity and Islam. Religions such as Taoism are seen to have great negative influences upon young children that practicle the aforementioned religion, usually leading to corruption evident in later life. :bow:

With all due respect: bollocks. Religion is unnecessary for the purpose of assisting a child develop their sense of morality.
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Postby Everyone is a Pony » Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:46 pm

The Tofu Islands wrote:
South East Europe wrote:So how does a person properly raise a child?

With a hot-air balloon.


Lulz.

Laissez-faire rule is not necessarily the best way to go. Sure, letting your kid have some influence over what s/he wears, eats, or does recreationally is fine, provided that s/he's not the only one who chooses. I mean, I'd let my kids pick what they have for breakfast -- provided it's not sugar-loaded cereals, every day. You know? Diversity is the spice of life, and all that.

And anyway, what about when they want to do something that really is against your ruling (like, kill kittens or something)? Raised in a free-reign household, chances are they're not going to respect your opinion one iota.

Nah. Some freedom is good for building the self-esteem and what-not, but they're still your kids. Your job, for a time at least, is to boss them around and make sure they get the "right" things out of life.

Course, maybe you want a wilful, slightly lunatic child. ::shrugs:: I'm not going to stop you, if that's the case.
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Postby The Tofu Islands » Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:47 pm

Greater Americania wrote:Yes I do, as they would have done it. The same way I blame a criminal for theft even if the only reason he stole was because he was poor. (Poverty is a cause of crimes such as these)

However, if the criminal stole because it was eir only way to survive (say ey stole food), and ey was poor because of the actions of another person, would that person be (partially) to blame?

Greater Americania wrote:Yes, because person B pulled the plug out of a emotional response rather than person A.

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You think that person A is really the guilty party, as opposed to the person who made em feel like it wasn't worth being alive? I think that's pretty fucked up.
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Postby Phenia » Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:48 pm

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Greater Americania wrote:Yes, because person B pulled the plug out of a emotional response rather than person A.

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You think that person A is really the guilty party, as opposed to the person who made em feel like it wasn't worth being alive? I think that's pretty fucked up.


It's sort of like blaming the victim for bleeding.

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Postby Everyone is a Pony » Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:49 pm

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TotenkopfverbandeInich wrote:A thought to add: Despite teenage rebelious behaviours of small children, religion should take a key-role throughout a person's childhood. Two morally correct (in my opinion) and non-detached religions would be both Christianity and Islam. Religions such as Taoism are seen to have great negative influences upon young children that practicle the aforementioned religion, usually leading to corruption evident in later life. :bow:

With all due respect: bollocks. Religion is unnecessary for the purpose of assisting a child develop their sense of morality.


Indeed. I was raised atheist, and while I have some skewed perceptions of morality (for example, I find cheating on one's partner acceptable under certain circumstances), it doesn't make me an immoral, soulless woman.

Course, according to Christianity, the fact that I'm a woman makes me inferior anyway, so... ::shrugs::
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Postby South East Europe » Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:49 pm

Greater Americania wrote:
The Tofu Islands wrote:So you're saying that if person A were to abuse person B until person B felt that ey had nothing left worth living for and killed eirself it would be person B's fault instead of person A's?


Yes, because person B pulled the plug out of a emotional response rather than person A.


I am willing to believe that you have never been emotionally, physically, or sexually abused or tortured. All of that happened to me. How dare you blame someone for being pushed to suicide from years of abuse. You seem to be very narrow-minded and much more unfit to be a parent than GetBrett. I hope that you never have children and if you do, they get taken from you by child services.
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Postby Getbrett » Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:50 pm

South East Europe wrote:
Getbrett wrote:Proclaiming my neurological disorder as requiring "mental help" and "psychiatric evaluation" is incredibly rich coming from someone with their own neurological disorder. We're two sides of the same coin.

If my child was a clone of me, they would present a shallow affect and would be neurologically incapable of being emotionally abused. They'd be superior beings.


Since I do not have a neurological disorder, we aren't two sides of the same coin. Unless you consider Transsexualism a neurological disorder, then Homosexuality would also be a neurological disorder.

Extremely arrogant and self-centered people like yourself are the worst type of parents. And judging by how you view yourself, children, and others, you likely have a major form of Psychosis.


I am not psychotic.

Unless you are attempting to argue that your transexualism is a choice, then yes, it's a neurological disorder. It originates in the brain, and is therefore a neurological disorder. As is homosexuality, and my own disorder (speaking as a homosexual sociopath).

We are the same, but different. I don't feel any need to tell you to "seek help" for not identifying with your birth sex. I'd rather expect any self-consistent person to feel no need to tell me to "seek help" for not identifying with emotion.
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Postby Greater Americania » Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:54 pm

The Tofu Islands wrote:However, if the criminal stole because it was eir only way to survive (say ey stole food), and ey was poor because of the actions of another person, would that person be (partially) to blame?


The person who committed the theft is the one who is responsible for it. However, depending on what actions the person who made the thief poor took, I may acknowledge the actions of the thief to be understandable.

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You think that person A is really the guilty party, as opposed to the person who made em feel like it wasn't worth being alive? I think that's pretty fucked up.


Guilty of suicide yes because person A did it. Person B may be a mean person, but unless person B forced person A to kill himself in one way, then person B's actions are not responsible for the suicide.
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Postby Greater Americania » Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:56 pm

South East Europe wrote:I am willing to believe that you have never been emotionally, physically, or sexually abused or tortured. All of that happened to me. How dare you blame someone for being pushed to suicide from years of abuse. You seem to be very narrow-minded and much more unfit to be a parent than GetBrett. I hope that you never have children and if you do, they get taken from you by child services.


You really don't know who you're talking to. I've been picked on all my life and I've even been suicidal at a point. But I acknowledge that if I would have, it would have been my fault not others around me because their actions did not force me to commit suicide. How dare you insult me in such a manner! I wish the same to you so that your children aren't indoctrinated by your illogical bullshit.
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Postby Geniasis » Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:56 pm

Greater Americania wrote:Spare me.


The Bible is quite clear on this, actually.

"It would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around his neck than for him to cause one of these little ones to sin." Luke 17:2.

Basically, if you fuck with children then Jesus says you should hang a giant slab of rock around your neck and go drown.

Greater Americania wrote:A suicide is the fault of the person commiting the suicide, not the fault of the non-supportive people in their life.


It's a little unorthodox, but I think the situation and context warrant

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Postby Everyone is a Pony » Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:57 pm

Getbrett wrote:I am not psychotic.

Unless you are attempting to argue that your transexualism is a choice, then yes, it's a neurological disorder. It originates in the brain, and is therefore a neurological disorder. As is homosexuality, and my own disorder (speaking as a homosexual sociopath).

We are the same, but different. I don't feel any need to tell you to "seek help" for not identifying with your birth sex. I'd rather expect any self-consistent person to feel no need to tell me to "seek help" for not identifying with emotion.


According to your logic, simple movement can be classed as a "neurological disorder". Your muscles move in accordance with electrical impulses that "originate in the brain".
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Postby Milks Empire » Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:57 pm

Greater Americania wrote:Guilty of suicide yes because person A did it. Person B may be a mean person, but unless person B forced person A to kill himself in one way, then person B's actions are not responsible for the suicide.

Person A wouldn't have done anything without person B constantly running eir mouth. Person B is equally as guilty as person A.

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Postby South East Europe » Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:58 pm

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I am not psychotic.

Unless you are attempting to argue that your transexualism is a choice, then yes, it's a neurological disorder. It originates in the brain, and is therefore a neurological disorder. As is homosexuality, and my own disorder (speaking as a homosexual sociopath).

We are the same, but different. I don't feel any need to tell you to "seek help" for not identifying with your birth sex. I'd rather expect any self-consistent person to feel no need to tell me to "seek help" for not identifying with emotion.


Transsexualism, unlike Homosexuality, is caused by hormonal conditions at birth in addition chromosomal mutations at birth. And if Homosexuality is a neurological disorder as you claim, then wouldn't also Heterosexuality be? And if Transsexualism is a neurological disorder as well, then wouldn't also Cisgenderism be? We are not the same in any way, not even close. Not identifying with emotion is a serious psychiatric illness and it can be treated with medications so that you have emotions.

Also, your right I went too far, but Sociopathia does not give you an excuse to be so Pompous. I should have realized that you didn't want children in the first place, so I should not have interrogated you about it.
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Postby Getbrett » Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:59 pm

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Getbrett wrote:I am not psychotic.

Unless you are attempting to argue that your transexualism is a choice, then yes, it's a neurological disorder. It originates in the brain, and is therefore a neurological disorder. As is homosexuality, and my own disorder (speaking as a homosexual sociopath).

We are the same, but different. I don't feel any need to tell you to "seek help" for not identifying with your birth sex. I'd rather expect any self-consistent person to feel no need to tell me to "seek help" for not identifying with emotion.


According to your logic, simple movement can be classed as a "neurological disorder". Your muscles move in accordance with electrical impulses that "originate in the brain".


No, my logic does not reduce to that. Note the choice of the word "disorder". This word implies "deviation from the norm". Sociopathy, homosexuality and transexualism are all deviations from the norm. They are all neurological disorders. Movement is merely neurological.

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Postby Greater Americania » Thu Jul 02, 2009 1:00 pm

Everyone is a Pony wrote:According to your logic, simple movement can be classed as a "neurological disorder". Your muscles move in accordance with electrical impulses that "originate in the brain".


If he's arguing that transsexualism is a neurological disorder he's right. It's officially known as Gender Identity Disorder. People with the disorder are extremely discontent with the body they are born with and feel more comfortable after converting to the body type of the other gender. This disorder influences them to choose to switch over.
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