How do you feel towards certain "hobby nazis"

[Irgaard]

Do you belive in the term "hobby-nazi" or do you belive all who act as "nazis" should be hated and ignored.
Myself i'm not what you would define as a "nazi" or "nationalsocialist" as I deslike all forms of absolutism or utopianbased societies. Still for all political flaws of nazi policies I like the appearance, I like the uniform


Heil Jackson, sturmfürer über alles!

I like the violent music, I even throw a nazi salute here and there like Di Canio.

We fight for our nation, we fight aginst the scum
if you see the hate in our face, you should better run
We fight for a better nation, we want our cities clean
this is the terrormachine this is Combat 18

Vi är nazister och det är bra, vi kommer segra en vacker dag, segra eller dö det, är ditt val för stormen kommer en vacker dag.
(Division S - Swedish neonazi band - We are nazis and that is good, we will be victorious one beutiful day, victory or death, it's your choice for the storm is coming on a beutiful day)


Over all, at first I thought this is stupid, but just as some thinks communists are cool I think this is cool (actually a friend of mine who is part black seems to suffer from the same deal as SS Jackson, he plays white power music at full sound just to get looks) in all it's absurdity, but the thing about it is it seems to be taboo and people dressing up like Hitler or avarage german soldier gets the boot and is hated.

What do you think about "hobby nazi", is it ok to listen to wp-music, is it ok to dress up as Hitler on halloween etc.
I predict I will get flamed like a heretic in the dark ages, this might be seen as modern day heresy.

I have to admit, I hate the Nazi/Fascist ideology to no end.

But the uniforms are something I'd kill for. An entire race? No. But I'd kill someone. Like, a rabbit. Or maybe a raccoon..

[Robarya]

All of you PC people are so pathetic I have to say. He has clearly stated that he's not a National Socialist, yet you claim him to be one for liking the music. Being a National Socialist is about believing in a specific set of ideals. I know, because I'm basically a National Socialist myself (though Nationalist Authoritarian is a better term when it comes to me.)

[Scarsaw]

All of you PC people are so pathetic I have to say. He has clearly stated that he's not a National Socialist, yet you claim him to be one for liking the music. Being a National Socialist is about believing in a specific set of ideals. I know, because I'm basically a National Socialist myself (though Nationalist Authoritarian is a better term when it comes to me.)

In my opinion, the problem is the fact that in many societies today dismiss and look down on Fascism, National Socialism, Socialism, Nationalism, Nazism, etc., so much that any HINT or suggestion that a person might not dismiss or hate the ideals, will cause people to jump on them and give them, with hate or disgust, a label that they seem to not immediately dismiss.

[Muravyets]

There's a difference between being open-minded and being so open-minded that your brains fall out. And I do understand you, oh yes.

As there is a difference between opposing fascism and opposing fascism to such a degree that you employ fascism to stamp out all views and belifs you do not agree with.

Read your own thread. Not one person who has called you out for the offensive behavior you've been bragging about and your dishonesty in this thread has said that you should not be allowed to be so offensive and dishonest. Quite the opposite, actually. Most have been adamant in supporting your right to express yourself.

But you were the one who asked for opinions of your "hobby". Seems a bit lame of you to start whining and calling "fascism" when it turns out most of the opinions you asked for are negative.

You have a right to speak your mind. So do we.

[Baycosa]

There's a difference between being open-minded and being so open-minded that your brains fall out. And I do understand you, oh yes.

As there is a difference between opposing fascism and opposing fascism to such a degree that you employ fascism to stamp out all views and belifs you do not agree with.

Read your own thread. Not one person who has called you out for the offensive behavior you've been bragging about and your dishonesty in this thread has said that you should not be allowed to be so offensive and dishonest. Quite the opposite, actually. Most have been adamant in supporting your right to express yourself.

But you were the one who asked for opinions of your "hobby". Seems a bit lame of you to start whining and calling "fascism" when it turns out most of the opinions you asked for are negative.

You have a right to speak your mind. So do we.

Yep as I have a right to defend my views.

[Muravyets]

Wow. Now that I've read that, I totally believe in White Power and Nazism.

It sounds better when the Teutonic Titmouse sings it.

[Muravyets]

I have to admit, I hate the Nazi/Fascist ideology to no end.

But the uniforms are something I'd kill for. An entire race? No. But I'd kill someone. Like, a rabbit. Or maybe a raccoon..

Why not just mug a nazi? There's one in the thread right now.

[Muravyets]

Yep as I have a right to defend my views.

Well, let me know when you decide to start actually defending your views, as opposed to denying them and then playing all cutesy-footsey with your wardrobe fetish and whining that others are picking on you.

[Baycosa]

Well, let me know when you decide to start actually defending your views, as opposed to denying them and then playing all cutesy-footsey with your wardrobe fetish and whining that others are picking on you.

To the likes of you there is no using trying to claim it is only a fashion accessory and a statement that I happen to like, together with my bomber jacket or boots. As you are so close minded you can not bear to listen to other reason, to me you just seem like those PC goodie-two-shoes of my worthless goverment.



To me this thread is about a statement to PC thugs that all is not what you see.

[Robarya]

All of you PC people are so pathetic I have to say. He has clearly stated that he's not a National Socialist, yet you claim him to be one for liking the music. Being a National Socialist is about believing in a specific set of ideals. I know, because I'm basically a National Socialist myself (though Nationalist Authoritarian is a better term when it comes to me.)

In my opinion, the problem is the fact that in many societies today dismiss and look down on Fascism, National Socialism, Socialism, Nationalism, Nazism, etc., so much that any HINT or suggestion that a person might not dismiss or hate the ideals, will cause people to jump on them and give them, with hate or disgust, a label that they seem to not immediately dismiss.

Yes, that's true. The politically correct people are often very irrational and can't think coherently when it comes to sensitive matters, and tend to tirelessly basically search through your sentences for words that may in some way be considered "offensive," thinking they are doing the world a favor with their "righteousness." However, even though political correctness is very common in media, the average guy or girl is certainly not politically correct to the extreme degree that they start to whine like crybabies over the smallest things.

And Socialism is not considered as something controversial where I live; in the north of Sweden, roughly 60-65% are economic left, and even being a Communist isn't considered controversial here, except the word itself.

[The Cat-Tribe]

If not creaming my jeans at seeing a Nazi makes me a "PC thug," then I am proudly a PC thug -- whatever the fuck that is.

[Robarya]

If not creaming my jeans at seeing a Nazi makes me a "PC thug," then I am proudly a PC thug -- whatever the fuck that is.

PC thug = politically correct thug. And do you even have the balls to be a thug for that matter? Most politically correct people are little sissies that whine about trivial issues because they themselves are pathetic excuses of humans that will burst into tears at the slightest insult.

[Scarsaw]

*looks at both Cat-Tribe and Robarya* I can see this thread will only progress further down the hill from here.

[The Cat-Tribe]

If not creaming my jeans at seeing a Nazi makes me a "PC thug," then I am proudly a PC thug -- whatever the fuck that is.

PC thug = politically correct thug. And do you even have the balls to be a thug for that matter? Most politically correct people are little sissies that whine about trivial issues because they themselves are pathetic excuses of humans that will burst into tears at the slightest insult.

I know what "PC" stands for, but, pray tell, what is this "political correctness" you are whining about?

Regardless, believing in liberty and equality isn't weakness. It is strength.

[The Cat-Tribe]

*looks at both Cat-Tribe and Robarya* I can see this thread will only progress further down the hill from here.

'cuz the "look at me I'm a wannabe Nazi" thread was soooo enlightening to begin with ....

[Hydesland]

'cuz the "look at me I'm a wannabe Nazi" thread was soooo enlightening to begin with ....

Although I've only read the OP, I think he's just talking about the attire, and he explicitly said he hated the ideology. I must admit, I kind of like the Nazi look sometimes, I hate the futurism architecture though.

[Scarsaw]

'cuz the "look at me I'm a wannabe Nazi" thread was soooo enlightening to begin with ....

No, but you're not making it any better in my eyes. In some ways, you're starting to become like him, only on the opposite side of the coin. I mean, the "wannabe Nazi" comment wasn't necessary at all and is no different than his definition of "PC thug." This thread, which I admit isn't the best of topics, has turned into nothing but two people throwing insults at each other in a round about way.

EDIT: You also have to admit, and it would had been a better discussion, to talk about why the Nazis seem to have a sort of false 'romance' to them that attracts people to the idea. Many that I met, especially Neo-Nazis, seem to be more in love with the image than the ideology, because they usually barely know any of the ideology beyond "HATE DHA JEW!" So taking the thread on that angle, since Neo-Nazis aren't the only ones that might find something romantic about Nazism, would had probably been a better topic and may have not degraded so fast into this petty name calling.

[Maurepas]

'cuz the "look at me I'm a wannabe Nazi" thread was soooo enlightening to begin with ....

Although I've only read the OP, I think he's just talking about the attire, and he explicitly said he hated the ideology. I must admit, I kind of like the Nazi look sometimes, I hate the futurism architecture though.

Ironically, Samuel Jackson seems to pull it off quite nicely,

[The Cat-Tribe]

'cuz the "look at me I'm a wannabe Nazi" thread was soooo enlightening to begin with ....

Although I've only read the OP, I think he's just talking about the attire, and he explicitly said he hated the ideology. I must admit, I kind of like the Nazi look sometimes, I hate the futurism architecture though.

So did you miss the parts about also liking White Power music and Nazi salutes?

We also learn that he likes racism and nationalist parties.

And he likes to praise Hitler.

But, he's NOT a Nazi wanna-be.

[Robarya]

Regardless, believing in liberty and equality isn't weakness. It is strength.

No, believing equality is not strength. It is a concept the weak need to not feel inferior about themselves. A piece of paper may say that all men are equal, but that will not make it true. There are --and will always be-- those who are stronger, more intelligent and overall better than others.

[The Cat-Tribe]

'cuz the "look at me I'm a wannabe Nazi" thread was soooo enlightening to begin with ....

No, but you're not making it any better in my eyes. In some ways, you're starting to become like him, only on the opposite side of the coin. I mean, the "wannabe Nazi" comment wasn't necessary at all and is no different than his definition of "PC thug." This thread, which I admit isn't the best of topics, has turned into nothing but two people throwing insults at each other in a round about way.

1. I am not at all like a Nazi or Nazi worshipper. Not wanting to coddle baby Nazis =/= oppression.

2. Please feel free to clarify the productive and stimulating subject of this thread which we should be discussing.

[Hydesland]

'cuz the "look at me I'm a wannabe Nazi" thread was soooo enlightening to begin with ....

Although I've only read the OP, I think he's just talking about the attire, and he explicitly said he hated the ideology. I must admit, I kind of like the Nazi look sometimes, I hate the futurism architecture though.

So did you miss the parts about also liking White Power music and Nazi salutes?

White power music as the crappy punk genre, or as in the traditional classical style?

[The Cat-Tribe]

Regardless, believing in liberty and equality isn't weakness. It is strength.

No, believing equality is not strength. It is a concept the weak need to not feel inferior about themselves. A piece of paper may say that all men are equal, but that will not make it true. There are --and will always be-- those who are stronger, more intelligent and overall better than others.

Which is why the Nazis won .... oh, snap!

[The Cat-Tribe]

Although I've only read the OP, I think he's just talking about the attire, and he explicitly said he hated the ideology. I must admit, I kind of like the Nazi look sometimes, I hate the futurism architecture though.

So did you miss the parts about also liking White Power music and Nazi salutes?

White power music as the crappy punk genre, or as in the traditional classical style?

Don't know, don't care, don't even understand the question and am fine with that.

[Scarsaw]

'cuz the "look at me I'm a wannabe Nazi" thread was soooo enlightening to begin with ....

No, but you're not making it any better in my eyes. In some ways, you're starting to become like him, only on the opposite side of the coin. I mean, the "wannabe Nazi" comment wasn't necessary at all and is no different than his definition of "PC thug." This thread, which I admit isn't the best of topics, has turned into nothing but two people throwing insults at each other in a round about way.

1. I am not at all like a Nazi or Nazi worshipper. Not wanting to coddle baby Nazis =/= oppression.

2. Please feel free to clarify the productive and stimulating subject of this thread which we should be discussing.

1. You're more similar to him than you want, because you seem gun-ho to insult him and throw unnecessary remarks at every turn. That's pretty much what's he's doing to do as well. Look past the ideology, and you'll hopefully see how this 'discussion' seems to be organized.

2. I'll post my edit here: You also have to admit, and it would had been a better discussion, to talk about why the Nazis seem to have a sort of false 'romance' to them that attracts people to the idea. Many that I met, especially Neo-Nazis, seem to be more in love with the image than the ideology, because they usually barely know any of the ideology beyond "HATE DHA JEW!" So taking the thread on that angle, since Neo-Nazis aren't the only ones that might find something romantic about Nazism, would had probably been a better topic and may have not degraded so fast into this petty name calling.

EDIT: Also look at it from this way. What does the OP's real ideologies matter on the topic? The topic more involves those who do not call themselves Nazis, yet find an interest in the Nazi culture. Weather or not the OP is a Nazi or not, doesn't change the topic.