How do you feel towards certain "hobby nazis"

[Muravyets]

How is being a nationalist the same as a fascist or a nazi?
Seriously, I have been called nazi, capitalist, zionist, islamo-phobe etc. and all the people that have called me this are leftist pussy pricks, wearing a uniform and listen to music that advocates that all leftist should be killed is a blast because it pisses those wankers off.

The fact that you would ask that question is proof positive that you either (A) are a complete liar or (B) have zero idea what the F you're talking about. What do you think the leading hallmark of every fascist party and movement was and is? Hello-DUH. Do you really not know these things, or do you think we don't?

Whatever. You can either lie about your beliefs or you can go on adoring your own ignorance of simple facts. The results speak for themselves, and they are summed up in the names you say you have been called, all of which I would guess you probably earned in different contexts, based on what you've said here about your beliefs (not about your dress-up "hobby"). Another big hint is your avowed hostility and belligerence towards those who oppose your real views (not your dress-up "hobby") -- you insult them, you deliberately offend and provoke them, and you do so in a way that is, frankly, flamebaiting on the net and provoking potential violence in the street. Picking fights and then pretending to be the victim and scapegoating the person they attacked -- the fascists did a lot of that, too, as well as dressing up in fancy outfits and failing in life.

It's a simple equation - if you don't want to be called a nazi, don't be one. If you do want to be one, don't act all shocked'n'shit when people call you on it.

I'm done with you. You've clearly said all you have to say in promoting yourself, and I don't really want to watch you keep saying it over and over. Based on what you've said here, I am satisfied with classing you a neo-nazi and writing you off.

[Baycosa]

How is being a nationalist the same as a fascist or a nazi?
Seriously, I have been called nazi, capitalist, zionist, islamo-phobe etc. and all the people that have called me this are leftist pussy pricks, wearing a uniform and listen to music that advocates that all leftist should be killed is a blast because it pisses those wankers off.

The fact that you would ask that question is proof positive that you either (A) are a complete liar or (B) have zero idea what the F you're talking about. What do you think the leading hallmark of every fascist party and movement was and is? Hello-DUH. Do you really not really not know these things, or do you think we don't?

Whatever. You can either lie about your beliefs or you can go on adoring your own ignorance of simple facts. The results speak for themselves, and they are summed up in the names you say you have been called, all of which I would guess you probably earned in different contexts, based on what you've said here about your beliefs (not about your dress-up "hobby"). Another big hint is your avowed hostility and belligerence towards those who oppose your real views (not your dress-up "hobby") -- you insult them, you deliberately offend and provoke them, and you do so in a way that is, frankly, flamebaiting on the net and provoking potential violence in the street. Picking fights and then pretending to be the victim and scapegoating the person they attacked -- the fascists did a lot of that, too, as well as dressing up in fancy outfits and failing in life.

It's a simple equation - if you don't want to be called a nazi, don't be one. If you do want to be one, don't act all shocked'n'shit when people call you on it.

I'm done with you. You've clearly said all you have to say in promoting yourself, and I don't really want to watch you keep saying it over and over. Based on what you've said here, I am satisfied with classing you a neo-nazi and writing you off.

Oh yea, using nationalist pride and patriotism to trick the masses, how many politics in todays world has not pulled that stunt?

Seems as if you about run out of arguments, and as long as there are commies around, I will do all in my power to piss them off

[Farnhamia]

Then it seems that I missed the point, Muryavets. I can only say I did come to the conversation somewhat late. And I imagine that Baycosa has no real idea of what the Nazis did or how it affected people. He probably thinks Raoul Wallenberg is just some old guy they make you learn about in school because he was so nice to a bunch of Jews.

I pretty much do because I am interested in history, still I can't see the reason of why I can not dess like them to annoy people I do not like, I greatly admire Raoul Wallenberg for his actions and doing his part to save people from the Holocaust. But as far as i'm concerned, commies has done far worse and as long as commies today still think it's cool to fly the red banner and deny the holdomor I will still think it's cool to wear a gray uniform to piss them off.

Oh, it's all part of your personal effort to combat the forces of communism, and you've chosen as your weapon the look and symbols of the German Nazis from the mid-20th century? How could I not have seen that?

You really need to leave Sweden and see the world, boy. I recommend an historical tour of Germany and Poland, for starters. You might even visit Israel. Just be discreet about asking what those tattoos on the old people's arms are.

If you really do admire Raoul Wallenberg you would know just how wrong all this is. Unless, of course, Muryavets is correct, and you actually are a Neo-Nazi.

[Baycosa]

Oh, it's all part of your personal effort to combat the forces of communism, and you've chosen as your weapon the look and symbols of the German Nazis from the mid-20th century? How could I not have seen that?

You really need to leave Sweden and see the world, boy. I recommend an historical tour of Germany and Poland, for starters. You might even visit Israel. Just be discreet about asking what those tattoos on the old people's arms are.

If you really do admire Raoul Wallenberg you would know just how wrong all this is. Unless, of course, Muryavets is correct, and you actually are a Neo-Nazi.

Nope not only, I actually enjoy the music and I still think the clothes look cool but that is all, I have other ways to piss commies off and if my style developes into a state unaccepted by my friends I might simply put it aside and keep it to my collection.

I have been to Germany and Austria, and I have been to visit the "Dachau" concentration camp and I am planning for a visit to Israel as I support Israels right to exist. I am not nazi, I don't aproove of what they did, I just don't see how their actions is reflected in their uniforms (wich I mostly wear for re-enactment), if the music bugs normal people I will turn it down, but if it bugs someone with a hammer and sickle on their t-shirt I will turn it to top volume.

Just like "punk" is wrong I thinks this is just as "wrong", I used to be more "punk" to make a gesture towards the political correct society but since "punk" has become "mainstream" and leftism part of it I turn more brutal as I have no will to support leftism (better of dead then red) but I would never use my style to opress etnic groups, period.

[Post-Unity Terra]

You do something specifically to be a shit to people and are shocked when people call you a shit? Hurdedurr.

[Muravyets]

Oh yea, using nationalist pride and patriotism to trick the masses, how many politics in todays world has not pulled that stunt?

The above sentence is 100% content free. Just pointing that out because it's rare to get one that's entirely empty.

Seems as if you about run out of arguments, and as long as there are commies around, I will do all in my power to piss them off

A) I was not making an argument. There's nothing to argue. The facts are plain: You're a bottom-rung neo-nazi fanboy who thinks he's figured out a way to trick people into telling him it's cool, but, like all nazis, can't figure out when he's failing. This entire thread is nothing but you ego-tripping on talking about yourself, and judging by the number of times you've repeated yourself, you don't have that much to say on even that topic. Do you expect me to keep telling you that over and over, just like you expect us to sit and read you posting the same crap about fashion and music and how much you hate and want to pick fights with "leftists" over and over? Yeah, uh, nope.

B) History tells us exactly what that attitude is going to bring you in life. I hope you grow up to enjoy getting punched in Swedish bars. Beyond that, there's really not much in store for you. On the plus side for you, at least being a loser is easier than succeeding in life. Perhaps you've chosen your role models wisely, or perhaps you've got potential you are wasting. Perhaps someone who knows you will care.

[Farnhamia]

Oh yea, using nationalist pride and patriotism to trick the masses, how many politics in todays world has not pulled that stunt?

The above sentence is 100% content free. Just pointing that out because it's rare to get one that's entirely empty.

Seems as if you about run out of arguments, and as long as there are commies around, I will do all in my power to piss them off

A) I was not making an argument. There's nothing to argue. The facts are plain: You're a bottom-rung neo-nazi fanboy who thinks he's figured out a way to trick people into telling him it's cool, but, like all nazis, can't figure out when he's failing. This entire thread is nothing but you ego-tripping on talking about yourself, and judging by the number of times you've repeated yourself, you don't have that much to say on even that topic. Do you expect me to keep telling you that over and over, just like you expect us to sit and read you posting the same crap about fashion and music and how much you hate and want to pick fights with "leftists" over and over? Yeah, uh, nope.

B) History tells us exactly what that attitude is going to bring you in life. I hope you grow up to enjoy getting punched in Swedish bars. Beyond that, there's really not much in store for you. On the plus side for you, at least being a loser is easier than succeeding in life. Perhaps you've chosen your role models wisely, or perhaps you've got potential you are wasting. Perhaps someone who knows you will care.

QFT (we seem not to use that acronym much anymore).

I seriously doubt Baycosa wears his spiffy uniforms out of the house, Muryavets, and certainly not to any place he could run into, say, some Pole or Czech or Russian or anyone whose family was scarred by his heroes (or their haberdashers) and who might have had just one drink too many.

Enough. Baycosa, you asked in the OP what people thought of "hobby Nazis" and now you know.

[Baycosa]

The above sentence is 100% content free. Just pointing that out because it's rare to get one that's entirely empty.

A) I was not making an argument. There's nothing to argue. The facts are plain: You're a bottom-rung neo-nazi fanboy who thinks he's figured out a way to trick people into telling him it's cool, but, like all nazis, can't figure out when he's failing. This entire thread is nothing but you ego-tripping on talking about yourself, and judging by the number of times you've repeated yourself, you don't have that much to say on even that topic. Do you expect me to keep telling you that over and over, just like you expect us to sit and read you posting the same crap about fashion and music and how much you hate and want to pick fights with "leftists" over and over? Yeah, uh, nope.

B) History tells us exactly what that attitude is going to bring you in life. I hope you grow up to enjoy getting punched in Swedish bars. Beyond that, there's really not much in store for you. On the plus side for you, at least being a loser is easier than succeeding in life. Perhaps you've chosen your role models wisely, or perhaps you've got potential you are wasting. Perhaps someone who knows you will care.

Like your basic idea was "all nationalists are racist fascists", an idea used by most PC-fascists to endorse their leftist ideas.

A) Not neo-nazi, just fanboy and not bottom-rung as I have a decent job.

B) Yea, things are going real bad for me I have a decent job, decent living space and decent friends, and pissing off commies and leftists is always a blast.

[Muravyets]

QFT (we seem not to use that acronym much anymore).

I seriously doubt Baycosa wears his spiffy uniforms out of the house, Muryavets, and certainly not to any place he could run into, say, some Pole or Czech or Russian or anyone whose family was scarred by his heroes (or their haberdashers) and who might have had just one drink too many.

Enough. Baycosa, you asked in the OP what people thought of "hobby Nazis" and now you know.

And, after reading his last post to me, I now feel like I have been talking to a parrot dressed up in a little Hitler outfit. I'm done with this child. Back to the real world.

[Farnhamia]

QFT (we seem not to use that acronym much anymore).

I seriously doubt Baycosa wears his spiffy uniforms out of the house, Muryavets, and certainly not to any place he could run into, say, some Pole or Czech or Russian or anyone whose family was scarred by his heroes (or their haberdashers) and who might have had just one drink too many.

Enough. Baycosa, you asked in the OP what people thought of "hobby Nazis" and now you know.

And, after reading his last post to me, I now feel like I have been talking to a parrot dressed up in a little Hitler outfit. I'm done with this child. Back to the real world.

Zactly. This entire episode has proven that we really, really, really need the head-bang smiley back, now.

[Baycosa]

QFT (we seem not to use that acronym much anymore).

I seriously doubt Baycosa wears his spiffy uniforms out of the house, Muryavets, and certainly not to any place he could run into, say, some Pole or Czech or Russian or anyone whose family was scarred by his heroes (or their haberdashers) and who might have had just one drink too many.

Enough. Baycosa, you asked in the OP what people thought of "hobby Nazis" and now you know.

Nazis are not my heroes, I admire some in the Whermacht (such as Rommel and Stauffenberg), murdering is not something to base myself on.

Yea I did, some are understnading and some are just judgemental and close minded.

[Farnhamia]

QFT (we seem not to use that acronym much anymore).

I seriously doubt Baycosa wears his spiffy uniforms out of the house, Muryavets, and certainly not to any place he could run into, say, some Pole or Czech or Russian or anyone whose family was scarred by his heroes (or their haberdashers) and who might have had just one drink too many.

Enough. Baycosa, you asked in the OP what people thought of "hobby Nazis" and now you know.

Nazis are not my heroes, I admire some in the Whermacht (such as Rommel and Stauffenberg), murdering is not something to base myself on.

Yea I did, some are understnading and some are just judgemental and close minded.

There's a difference between being open-minded and being so open-minded that your brains fall out. And I do understand you, oh yes.

[Baycosa]

There's a difference between being open-minded and being so open-minded that your brains fall out. And I do understand you, oh yes.

As there is a difference between opposing fascism and opposing fascism to such a degree that you employ fascism to stamp out all views and belifs you do not agree with.

[Post-Unity Terra]

There's a difference between being open-minded and being so open-minded that your brains fall out. And I do understand you, oh yes.

As there is a difference between opposing fascism and opposing fascism to such a degree that you employ fascism to stamp out all views and belifs you do not agree with.

Calling you out isn't fascism.

[Farnhamia]

There's a difference between being open-minded and being so open-minded that your brains fall out. And I do understand you, oh yes.

As there is a difference between opposing fascism and opposing fascism to such a degree that you employ fascism to stamp out all views and belifs you do not agree with.

I never, ever said you should be banned from pursuing your hobby. I merely disapporve of it very strongly. Disagreeing with you is not oppression.

[Baycosa]

I never, ever said you should be banned from pursuing your hobby. I merely disapporve of it very strongly. Disagreeing with you is not oppression.

Then I have nothing aginst you, you have all right to disagree with me but I still have every right to defend my values.
I would never employ law to make everyone act and behave as me as long as you do not do the same we are all good.

Freedom of expression kicks ass

[The Cat-Tribe]

I never, ever said you should be banned from pursuing your hobby. I merely disapporve of it very strongly. Disagreeing with you is not oppression.

Then I have nothing aginst you, you have all right to disagree with me but I still have every right to defend my values.
I would never employ law to make everyone act and behave as me as long as you do not do the same we are all good.

Freedom of expression kicks ass

False dichotomy. Freedom of expression gives you the right to say what you want AND it gives us the right to condemn you for using that right stupidly and wrongly.

No is talking about a law to stop you from being a Nazi. To the contrary, you are protected from being beaten or killed for doing something so offensive by a whole host of laws.

Again, you came here expecting hugs and kisses for your perverse "hobby." Ain't gonna happen.

Luckily, you'll probably grow out of this juvenile stage of "rebellion" and be ashamed of yourself.

[Farnhamia]

I never, ever said you should be banned from pursuing your hobby. I merely disapporve of it very strongly. Disagreeing with you is not oppression.

Then I have nothing aginst you, you have all right to disagree with me but I still have every right to defend my values.
I would never employ law to make everyone act and behave as me as long as you do not do the same we are all good.

Freedom of expression kicks ass

False dichotomy. Freedom of expression gives you the right to say what you want AND it gives us the right to condemn you for using that right stupidly and wrongly.

No is talking about a law to stop you from being a Nazi. To the contrary, you are protected from being beaten or killed for doing something so offensive by a whole host of laws.

Again, you came here expecting hugs and kisses for your perverse "hobby." Ain't gonna happen.

Luckily, you'll probably grow out of this juvenile stage of "rebellion" and be ashamed of yourself.

Or, to put it another way, "freedom of expression allows you to be an ass."

Arguing with him is pointless, Cat-Tribe. Just as Muryavets.

[The Cat-Tribe]

Then I have nothing aginst you, you have all right to disagree with me but I still have every right to defend my values.
I would never employ law to make everyone act and behave as me as long as you do not do the same we are all good.

Freedom of expression kicks ass

False dichotomy. Freedom of expression gives you the right to say what you want AND it gives us the right to condemn you for using that right stupidly and wrongly.

No is talking about a law to stop you from being a Nazi. To the contrary, you are protected from being beaten or killed for doing something so offensive by a whole host of laws.

Again, you came here expecting hugs and kisses for your perverse "hobby." Ain't gonna happen.

Luckily, you'll probably grow out of this juvenile stage of "rebellion" and be ashamed of yourself.

Or, to put it another way, "freedom of expression allows you to be an ass."

Arguing with him is pointless, Cat-Tribe. Just as Muryavets.

I know that arguing with him is pointless and giving him the attention is more than he deserves. Still lecturing against his petty evils and nonsense is fun.

[Baycosa]

I know that arguing with him is pointless and giving him the attention is more than he deserves. Still lecturing against his petty evils and nonsense is fun.

Arguing over the internet is allways fun, you'll never meet the person and still you are bound to prove your points aginst them

[Baycosa]

False dichotomy. Freedom of expression gives you the right to say what you want AND it gives us the right to condemn you for using that right stupidly and wrongly.

No is talking about a law to stop you from being a Nazi. To the contrary, you are protected from being beaten or killed for doing something so offensive by a whole host of laws.

Again, you came here expecting hugs and kisses for your perverse "hobby." Ain't gonna happen.

Luckily, you'll probably grow out of this juvenile stage of "rebellion" and be ashamed of yourself.

Yep, but no matter if I throw the uniform away some day, I will still claim that music such as "Final War-Race & Land" is good offensive music such as NWAs Straight outta Compton or similar (loved those back in the punk days).

I'll fight with honour, I'll fight with pride
I'll fight with victory on my side
I'll fight with courage, I have no fear
I'll fight for the race I hold so dear
I'll fight for our children, I'll fight for our land
Hold my ground and I'll make a stand
I'll fight 'till the last, I'll fight 'till the end
I'll make my pledge, for my race, I'll defend


I'll fight with fists, sword and shield
An iron will and a heart of steel
For blood, honour, folk, and faith
Pride, power, nation and race
I declare warfare on my land
To purify it once again
Never surrender, never retreat

[The Cat-Tribe]

False dichotomy. Freedom of expression gives you the right to say what you want AND it gives us the right to condemn you for using that right stupidly and wrongly.

No is talking about a law to stop you from being a Nazi. To the contrary, you are protected from being beaten or killed for doing something so offensive by a whole host of laws.

Again, you came here expecting hugs and kisses for your perverse "hobby." Ain't gonna happen.

Luckily, you'll probably grow out of this juvenile stage of "rebellion" and be ashamed of yourself.

Yep, but no matter if I throw the uniform away some day, I will still claim that music such as "Final War-Race & Land" is good offensive music such as NWAs Straight outta Compton or similar (loved those back in the punk days).

I'll fight with honour, I'll fight with pride
I'll fight with victory on my side
I'll fight with courage, I have no fear
I'll fight for the race I hold so dear
I'll fight for our children, I'll fight for our land
Hold my ground and I'll make a stand
I'll fight 'till the last, I'll fight 'till the end
I'll make my pledge, for my race, I'll defend


I'll fight with fists, sword and shield
An iron will and a heart of steel
For blood, honour, folk, and faith
Pride, power, nation and race
I declare warfare on my land
To purify it once again
Never surrender, never retreat

Wow. Now that I've read that, I totally believe in White Power and Nazism.

[Baycosa]

Wow. Now that I've read that, I totally believe in White Power and Nazism.

Join the dark side..... we have cookies

[Scarsaw]

Wow. Now that I've read that, I totally believe in White Power and Nazism.

Hey now, never estimate the power of music since songs hold coded prophecies! *listens to Helter Skelter*

[Graigon]

The Nazis deserve no attention in todays time. They are monsters.