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Postby Non Aligned States » Sat Jun 05, 2010 7:01 pm

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Ignoring North Korea is probably what they'd like, since they have an extensive criminal infrastructure in which they export counterfeit cash and goods plus technical know how.

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Postby Shofercia » Sun Jun 06, 2010 5:24 pm

If the US actually cared about nuclear non-proliferation and human rights, (remember the two reasons for going into Iraq,) they'd be all over Burma. But Burma has a decent army, and less oil. Once again, US shows hypocracy. Burma's human rights violations are much worse than Iran's, but does Burma even have massive sanctions like Iran? Human rights-just another cheap excuse for isolating nations not liked by certain powers.
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Postby Veblenia » Sun Jun 06, 2010 7:43 pm

Cosmopoles wrote:I suppose it is a good thing that only international pariahs feel the need to have more nuclear weapons these days. Trouble is they are harder to persuade to stop doing it.


Um, India much?
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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Sun Jun 06, 2010 7:52 pm

Veblenia wrote:
Cosmopoles wrote:I suppose it is a good thing that only international pariahs feel the need to have more nuclear weapons these days. Trouble is they are harder to persuade to stop doing it.


Um, India much?

They're making more?
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Postby The Bleeding Roses » Sun Jun 06, 2010 8:04 pm

You people act as if building a nuclear bomb is difficult...

Just dropping a 100lb block of 90% enriched uranium on another of the same from a height of 6 feet is all it takes for the uranium to go super critical to the scale of ~8 Kilotons...
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Postby Maurepas » Sun Jun 06, 2010 8:57 pm

Is Burma batshit insane? I don't actually know much about the place, if they're just "little India" which is what the Wiki article paints them as, it's probably a good idea, considering they're toast if China and India go at it.

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Postby Brogavia » Sun Jun 06, 2010 8:59 pm

Shofercia wrote:If the US actually cared about nuclear non-proliferation and human rights, (remember the two reasons for going into Iraq,) they'd be all over Burma. But Burma has a decent army, and less oil. Once again, US shows hypocracy. Burma's human rights violations are much worse than Iran's, but does Burma even have massive sanctions like Iran? Human rights-just another cheap excuse for isolating nations not liked by certain powers.


We have sanctions on Iran because they kicked out our buddy the Shah. Nothing to do with human rights.

You act as if nations going to war over a natural resource is something new. It all starts over resources. Then the loser comes back in 20 years to get them back or to try again. Resources and revenge are the base cause of almost every war.
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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Sun Jun 06, 2010 9:00 pm

Maurepas wrote:Is Burma batshit insane? I don't actually know much about the place, if they're just "little India" which is what the Wiki article paints them as, it's probably a good idea, considering they're toast if China and India go at it.

Sounds like a gross oversimplification.

Ethically they're different, although culturally they may be similar, India is a democracy and Burma is a genocidal (ok, maybe thats not a big difference) dictatorship.
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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Sun Jun 06, 2010 9:01 pm

Brogavia wrote:
Shofercia wrote:If the US actually cared about nuclear non-proliferation and human rights, (remember the two reasons for going into Iraq,) they'd be all over Burma. But Burma has a decent army, and less oil. Once again, US shows hypocracy. Burma's human rights violations are much worse than Iran's, but does Burma even have massive sanctions like Iran? Human rights-just another cheap excuse for isolating nations not liked by certain powers.


We have sanctions on Iran because they kicked out our buddy the Shah. Nothing to do with human rights.

You act as if nations going to war over a natural resource is something new. It all starts over resources. Then the loser comes back in 20 years to get them back or to try again. Resources and revenge are the base cause of almost every war.

I'm pretty sure its religion and nationalism ;)
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Postby Maurepas » Sun Jun 06, 2010 9:03 pm

Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Maurepas wrote:Is Burma batshit insane? I don't actually know much about the place, if they're just "little India" which is what the Wiki article paints them as, it's probably a good idea, considering they're toast if China and India go at it.

Sounds like a gross oversimplification.

Ethically they're different, although culturally they may be similar, India is a democracy and Burma is a genocidal (ok, maybe thats not a big difference) dictatorship.

Ah, see, that's what I wanted to know, probably not a good idea for them to be gettin nukes then, no.

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Postby Brogavia » Sun Jun 06, 2010 9:04 pm

Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Brogavia wrote:
Shofercia wrote:If the US actually cared about nuclear non-proliferation and human rights, (remember the two reasons for going into Iraq,) they'd be all over Burma. But Burma has a decent army, and less oil. Once again, US shows hypocracy. Burma's human rights violations are much worse than Iran's, but does Burma even have massive sanctions like Iran? Human rights-just another cheap excuse for isolating nations not liked by certain powers.


We have sanctions on Iran because they kicked out our buddy the Shah. Nothing to do with human rights.

You act as if nations going to war over a natural resource is something new. It all starts over resources. Then the loser comes back in 20 years to get them back or to try again. Resources and revenge are the base cause of almost every war.

I'm pretty sure its religion and nationalism ;)


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Postby Sel Appa » Sun Jun 06, 2010 9:08 pm

Well you all know its more important to go after countries that have no intention of using nuclear weapons that arent even proven to exist.

Also, its more important to repeatedly condemn a country for killing 9 violent savages in self defense than one that torpedoes and sinks a ship of its arch enemy.

And we wonder why these "countries" start their nuclear programs...
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Postby Shofercia » Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:52 pm

Brogavia wrote:
Shofercia wrote:If the US actually cared about nuclear non-proliferation and human rights, (remember the two reasons for going into Iraq,) they'd be all over Burma. But Burma has a decent army, and less oil. Once again, US shows hypocracy. Burma's human rights violations are much worse than Iran's, but does Burma even have massive sanctions like Iran? Human rights-just another cheap excuse for isolating nations not liked by certain powers.


We have sanctions on Iran because they kicked out our buddy the Shah. Nothing to do with human rights.

You act as if nations going to war over a natural resource is something new. It all starts over resources. Then the loser comes back in 20 years to get them back or to try again. Resources and revenge are the base cause of almost every war.


See - there's the hypocracy. US placed the Shah in power in the first place, illegally. And if you want to compete for World Resources - do it intelligently. Do it like Teddy Roosevelt did. It's "Walk Softly and Carry a Big Stick", not "Talk Big and Carry a Soft Stick". Aside from bombing Iran, what can the US do? If you cannot defeat a country - there's no point in making them your mortal enemy. Not every country operates by Realpolitik. Iran doesn't. Sanctions do two things: they make others mad at you, and they starve the lower middle classes, thus actually helping those in charge. Iran is laughing their ass off at the new sanctions. You honestly think that Russia, (dependent on Iran for peace in Caucasus thanks to Saakashvili the idiot) and China, (dependent on Iran's oil,) are actually going to impose sanctions that cripple Iran? All these sanctions do, is promote anti-Americanism, and by extension anti-Democracy in Iran.
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