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Postby Shrillland » Sat Dec 30, 2023 8:41 pm

Tokoloho wrote:We need more Democratic candidates. Biden is aging and I really don't trust his ability to survive long enough to finish out a second term with how stressful being the president is and how much of a toll stress takes on the human body.


Too late. The Iowa Caucus starts in just over two weeks.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Dec 30, 2023 8:42 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Tokoloho wrote:We need more Democratic candidates. Biden is aging and I really don't trust his ability to survive long enough to finish out a second term with how stressful being the president is and how much of a toll stress takes on the human body.


Too late. The Iowa Caucus starts in just over two weeks.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sat Dec 30, 2023 8:50 pm

Bradfordville wrote:
Valles Marineris Mining co wrote:JFK, RFK, and MLK were killed.

Vietnam

MASSIVE anti war protests that rival the size of the BLM protests in 2020.
Massive racial riots as well


Race riots that did not touch most of white middle class America, which at the time lived in suburbs that were all but no go zones for black folks. Look, the 60s was fucked, but there was a bubble of security (maybe a false sense of security) around middle class white america that is lacking in this era.

And I'm just gonna get ahead of some of you here, and say that this doesn't mean the world was better or was safe. Just that a subset of mankind didn't realize how bad things were, and could live in ignorant bliss, unlike now. Now, you can't change the channel.

What are you talking about? Not only can you change the channel, you can find a channel that will tell you sweet little lies that confirm their world view and literally inoculate you against the truth. We've never had a better opportunity to isolate ourselves from what's happening in order to live a fiction.
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Postby Uiiop » Sat Dec 30, 2023 8:50 pm

Tokoloho wrote:We need more Democratic candidates. Biden is aging and I really don't trust his ability to survive long enough to finish out a second term with how stressful being the president is and how much of a toll stress takes on the human body.

As much as I'm surprised to say this myself we got a VP for that. I would prefer someone else for the job but there have been rumors she might have what it takes if and only if she can be pushed into it.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sat Dec 30, 2023 9:02 pm

Bradfordville wrote:
Kalaron wrote:The reasons for it are insanely broad, but to sum up some of the big ones:

-There exists a culture of victimhood among white guys, who make up the vast majority of Incels, that leads them to catastrophize being bad at talking with girls.

-There exists a lack of "cultural training" for men that enables them to talk to girls, and because the Left has failed to provide life advice in a constructive way (Because there is some truth to the idea that white guys feel unfairly targeted) this often leads to them listening to absolute idiots that espouse "machismo"...even though these dudes hire girls to hang out with them regularly.

-Alienation, as a result of capitalism, has robbed young-people of most locations where they could socialize outside of school, this exacerbates the lack of "training" that men receive on how to hang out with -and be cool around- girls.

The mental health stuff is more or less just a mixture of all of these reasons, describing the kind of insane viewpoint that someone can be molded into. In this case, mental health support would literally just be teaching guys how not to give off "rape-y" vibes when they're trying to be friendly with a girl, without also doing the Abe Lincoln bit from Clone High.
Mind, there are also a substantial portion of asian incels, but the actual "group dynamic" is more or less just because guys are insecure and don't really get taught how to deal with it adequately. Listening to pretty much any of the people that give advice -aside from like, Vaush maybe- is a good way to start thinking that Andrew Tate is right, and that leaves you in the "Never getting fucked ever never ever" camp.


Another bit of it is that a lot of guys don't get how to unironically love women? There's a reason people on the left and right bullied JoCat off the internet for making a video literally just about loving women, when nothing about the video was domineering (The Left's complaint) or "gay" (the complaint of the Right). Being open and honest about the fact that you like women kind of sets you up for insults and jokes.
Hell, here's a website unironically claiming that guys don't value love, like social intimiacy as much as women do, which is fucking insane.
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Another reason why intimacy is different for men and women is because of the differences in needs. While women definitely have physical needs, men tend to have higher physical needs than most women. The reason for this is that men are genetically different from women. Men truly crave sexual intimacy.

The reality is that there is no genuine difference between the amount that people want to fuck. We've created an artificial binary where the only "straight" way to love women is to want to fuck them. This is part of what leads to guys feeling fucking terrible.


It's weird to me how there's a bunch of dudes watching videos on how to pick up girls, and meanwhile for me it just happened. It really wasn't that complicated. "I like you." "I like you Dawg, let's go on a date."

This younger generation really is fucked, ain't it?

I've never seen a relationship coming. Just noticed that they were around a lot until they explained it to me.
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Postby Makko Oko » Sat Dec 30, 2023 9:10 pm

Uiiop wrote:
Tokoloho wrote:We need more Democratic candidates. Biden is aging and I really don't trust his ability to survive long enough to finish out a second term with how stressful being the president is and how much of a toll stress takes on the human body.

As much as I'm surprised to say this myself we got a VP for that. I would prefer someone else for the job but there have been rumors she might have what it takes if and only if she can be pushed into it.


Why are you "surprised to say this myself"? Have past Vice Presidents not been useful somehow? I'm curious

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Race riots that did not touch most of white middle class America, which at the time lived in suburbs that were all but no go zones for black folks. Look, the 60s was fucked, but there was a bubble of security (maybe a false sense of security) around middle class white america that is lacking in this era.

And I'm just gonna get ahead of some of you here, and say that this doesn't mean the world was better or was safe. Just that a subset of mankind didn't realize how bad things were, and could live in ignorant bliss, unlike now. Now, you can't change the channel.

What are you talking about? Not only can you change the channel, you can find a channel that will tell you sweet little lies that confirm their world view and literally inoculate you against the truth. We've never had a better opportunity to isolate ourselves from what's happening in order to live a fiction.


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Shrillland wrote:
Too late. The Iowa Caucus starts in just over two weeks.

Abandon all hope, etc.


Why abandon hope? You can still vote y'know.

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Bradfordville wrote:
The consequence should be decided by a majority of Americans on election day. Not by a state level court. The Supreme Court deciding it is between those two options. Not the best, not the worst.

The reason a state makes that decision is that the states control how elections work in their borders. If a court decides that, based on their judgement of the evidence, someone should not be able to run in that state, either on the local, state, or federal level, they can and should be able to.

That's not to say that such judgement is eternally absolute, but it has to be recognized that some cases are genuine and others are political farces intended to harm the chances of the genuine ones. And merely saying that a court's judgement is not eternally absolute will never be an argument against taking power away from a court of law.

This "enlightened centrist" opinion you are trying to take is awful, and frankly harmful for our democracy. There is a large amount of evidence that points to Trump being, in some part, involved in J6 and therefore ineligible thanks to the 14th Amendment. Just because it could benefit his opponents does not mean that his opponents are trying to sabotage his campaign. Rather, he sabotaged his own campaign by encouraging insurrection and letting the danger escalate and not to anything about it. The justice system has simply gotten the pieces together under another administration.


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Do you have a source for that?
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Postby Valles Marineris Mining co » Sat Dec 30, 2023 9:23 pm

Honestly, I want Kanye to run again. Shit would be funny as hell and would distract us for a little while from annother election that will most likely be just Trump vs Biden again.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sat Dec 30, 2023 9:26 pm

Makko Oko wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Abandon all hope, etc.


Why abandon hope? You can still vote y'know.

Not in our elections. Dude is Irish.
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Postby Tokoloho » Sat Dec 30, 2023 9:31 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Tokoloho wrote:We need more Democratic candidates. Biden is aging and I really don't trust his ability to survive long enough to finish out a second term with how stressful being the president is and how much of a toll stress takes on the human body.


Too late. The Iowa Caucus starts in just over two weeks.

I guess we'll just pray he doesn't die in office.
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Postby Valles Marineris Mining co » Sat Dec 30, 2023 9:33 pm

Guys the mods are asleep, start writing Joe Biden x Donald Trump romance fanfics.
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Postby Floofybit » Sat Dec 30, 2023 9:40 pm

Valles Marineris Mining co wrote:Honestly, I want Kanye to run again. Shit would be funny as hell and would distract us for a little while from annother election that will most likely be just Trump vs Biden again.

Kanye does have some decent positives ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯
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Postby Valles Marineris Mining co » Sat Dec 30, 2023 9:41 pm

Floofybit wrote:
Valles Marineris Mining co wrote:Honestly, I want Kanye to run again. Shit would be funny as hell and would distract us for a little while from annother election that will most likely be just Trump vs Biden again.

Kanye does have some decent positives ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

I mean some of his songs are pretty good, other than that idk man… bro is like uncle ruckus from the Boondocks.
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“In wilds beyond they speak your name with reverence and regret,
For none could tame our savage souls yet you the challenge met,
Under palest watch, you taught, we changed, base instincts were redeemed,
A world you gave to bug and beast as they had never dreamed.“ -Monomon the Teacher

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Postby Makko Oko » Sat Dec 30, 2023 9:48 pm

Floofybit wrote:
Valles Marineris Mining co wrote:Honestly, I want Kanye to run again. Shit would be funny as hell and would distract us for a little while from annother election that will most likely be just Trump vs Biden again.

Kanye does have some decent positives ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯


Valles Marineris Mining co wrote:
Floofybit wrote:Kanye does have some decent positives ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

I mean some of his songs are pretty good, other than that idk man… bro is like uncle ruckus from the Boondocks.


The last celebrity to become president was Trump...HELL NO! Do not trust any of them now. None of them.

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Let me put Trump on this...please. Then have it never land.
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Postby Valles Marineris Mining co » Sat Dec 30, 2023 10:03 pm

Makko Oko wrote:
Floofybit wrote:Kanye does have some decent positives ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯


Valles Marineris Mining co wrote:I mean some of his songs are pretty good, other than that idk man… bro is like uncle ruckus from the Boondocks.


The last celebrity to become president was Trump...HELL NO! Do not trust any of them now. None of them.

US military space plane blasts off on secretive mission expected to last years

Let me put Trump on this...please. Then have it never land.

The X-37 is a UAV, so nowhere to put him, unless you’re fine with strapping him to the side Kerbal Space Program style.
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Postby Makko Oko » Sat Dec 30, 2023 10:05 pm

Valles Marineris Mining co wrote:
Makko Oko wrote:


The last celebrity to become president was Trump...HELL NO! Do not trust any of them now. None of them.

US military space plane blasts off on secretive mission expected to last years

Let me put Trump on this...please. Then have it never land.

The X-37 is a UAV, so nowhere to put him, unless you’re fine with strapping him to the side Kerbal Space Program style.


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Postby Uiiop » Sat Dec 30, 2023 10:05 pm

Makko Oko wrote:
Uiiop wrote:As much as I'm surprised to say this myself we got a VP for that. I would prefer someone else for the job but there have been rumors she might have what it takes if and only if she can be pushed into it.


Why are you "surprised to say this myself"? Have past Vice Presidents not been useful somehow? I'm curious

Harris both isn't and sadly hasn't been treated like most VPs. BIden pretty much sidelined her and she has bee basically been deep in a rut the past term. Guess I felt pity and wanted to optimistic about the rumors of hidden drive at the moment. But having a following able to be two sided isn't new for her per se. Still good to keep all opportunities open no?
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Postby Valles Marineris Mining co » Sat Dec 30, 2023 10:07 pm

Uiiop wrote:
Makko Oko wrote:
Why are you "surprised to say this myself"? Have past Vice Presidents not been useful somehow? I'm curious

Harris both isn't and sadly hasn't been treated like most VPs. BIden pretty much sidelined her and she has bee basically been deep in a rut the past term. Guess I felt pity and wanted to optimistic about the rumors of hidden drive at the moment. But having a following able to be two sided isn't new for her per se. Still good to keep all opportunities open no?

Literally haven’t heard a single thing about Harris.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Dec 30, 2023 10:10 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Makko Oko wrote:

Why abandon hope? You can still vote y'know.

Not in our elections. Dude is Irish.

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Postby Uiiop » Sat Dec 30, 2023 10:14 pm

Valles Marineris Mining co wrote:
Uiiop wrote:Harris both isn't and sadly hasn't been treated like most VPs. BIden pretty much sidelined her and she has bee basically been deep in a rut the past term. Guess I felt pity and wanted to optimistic about the rumors of hidden drive at the moment. But having a following able to be two sided isn't new for her per se. Still good to keep all opportunities open no?

Literally haven’t heard a single thing about Harris.

You kinda have go underground to really hear anything about it besides her public appearances sounding too much like thomas dewey for comfort(Mostly mind, I do remember the stuff she pulled against desantis before backing out of it again). Behind the scenes congress doesn't like her and Biden just ain't giving her co-pilot on foreign affairs. I have honesty no idea if it's more she's a abrasive asshole or if there some double standards involved even if i don't really like her besides that.

I guess i think she's more open to public pressure than Biden and that's a net-gain given the current salient issues right now.
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Postby Phobos Drilling and Manufacturing » Sat Dec 30, 2023 10:18 pm

Uiiop wrote:
Valles Marineris Mining co wrote:Literally haven’t heard a single thing about Harris.

You kinda have go underground to really hear anything about it besides her public appearances sounding too much like thomas dewey for comfort(Mostly mind, I do remember the stuff she pulled against desantis before backing out of it again). Behind the scenes congress doesn't like her and Biden just ain't giving her co-pilot on foreign affairs. I have honesty no idea if it's more she's a abrasive asshole or if there some double standards involved even if i don't really like her besides that.

I guess i think she's more open to public pressure than Biden and that's a net-gain given the current salient issues right now.

There are 2 and only 2 types of vice presidents

1. The one that actually assists the president and plus and active role

2. The one that prays for the president to kick the bucket so they can be president.


I bet you 100% Harris is just waiting, PRAYING old Joe croaks, so she can be president.
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Postby Makko Oko » Sat Dec 30, 2023 10:30 pm

Phobos Drilling and Manufacturing wrote:
Uiiop wrote:You kinda have go underground to really hear anything about it besides her public appearances sounding too much like thomas dewey for comfort(Mostly mind, I do remember the stuff she pulled against desantis before backing out of it again). Behind the scenes congress doesn't like her and Biden just ain't giving her co-pilot on foreign affairs. I have honesty no idea if it's more she's a abrasive asshole or if there some double standards involved even if i don't really like her besides that.

I guess i think she's more open to public pressure than Biden and that's a net-gain given the current salient issues right now.

There are 2 and only 2 types of vice presidents

1. The one that actually assists the president and plus and active role

2. The one that prays for the president to kick the bucket so they can be president.


I bet you 100% Harris is just waiting, PRAYING old Joe croaks, so she can be president.


She'd have a better chance poisoning him. Boom. Looks like a death from old age and she becomes the first female president and makes the history books.
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Postby Umeria » Sat Dec 30, 2023 10:39 pm

Phobos Drilling and Manufacturing wrote:There are 2 and only 2 types of vice presidents

1. The one that actually assists the president and plus and active role

2. The one that prays for the president to kick the bucket so they can be president.

I think you're just describing effectiveness and ambition. Perfectly possible for VPs to have both or neither
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Postby Rusozak » Sat Dec 30, 2023 10:42 pm

Floofybit wrote:
Valles Marineris Mining co wrote:Honestly, I want Kanye to run again. Shit would be funny as hell and would distract us for a little while from annother election that will most likely be just Trump vs Biden again.

Kanye does have some decent positives ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯


He might make neo-Nazi and Klansmen voters collapse in on themselves from the paradox as they're deciding who to vote for.
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Postby Floofybit » Sat Dec 30, 2023 11:10 pm

Valles Marineris Mining co wrote:
Floofybit wrote:Kanye does have some decent positives ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

I mean some of his songs are pretty good, other than that idk man… bro is like uncle ruckus from the Boondocks.

He is pro family and such and his interview with Musk was funny, so he does have that. But yeah, no where near the best person to be president.
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