American Politics: Supreme Court rejects 14th Amendment

[The Jamesian Republic]

Second to last!

...this year is going to be a shitshow, isn't it?

When is any year not?

[Tmutarakhan]

I hate trump as much as the next guy, but won’t banning him from primaries in some states set a bad precedent?

What’s stopping Alabama, or Texas or some other red state from banning random Democratic candidates from the primary for bs reasons? Now obviously trump was banned from the primaries in Colorado and Maine for a legitimate reason, but still it sets a bad precedent.

It would set a bad precedent to follow the law, because some other people might violate the law? Like why should we let people withdraw money from the bank, just because they have an account there: won't that encourage bank robbers?

[Bradfordville]

Second to last!

...this year is going to be a shitshow, isn't it?

When is any year not?

Americans are used to being shielded somewhat from shit.

This century took the shield away.

[Tmutarakhan]

New Hampshire will find out in a few weeks. He's going to be a write-in candidate there.

Wait, what happened in NH where biden is now a write in candidate?

The Democratic Party decided Iowa and New Hampshire shouldn't go first every time. NH said screw it, we're going first anyway, so the party said those results won't count.

[Valles Marineris Mining co]

I hate trump as much as the next guy, but won’t banning him from primaries in some states set a bad precedent?

What’s stopping Alabama, or Texas or some other red state from banning random Democratic candidates from the primary for bs reasons? Now obviously trump was banned from the primaries in Colorado and Maine for a legitimate reason, but still it sets a bad precedent.

It would set a bad precedent to follow the law, because some other people might violate the law? Like why should we let people withdraw money from the bank, just because they have an account there: won't that encourage bank robbers?

You’re not understanding what I’m saying.

Trump getting banned from primaries sets a bad precedent for democracy as a whole because it means any state can ban anyone they want if they flaunt enough legal jargon and mumbo jumbo.

[Valles Marineris Mining co]

When is any year not?

Americans are used to being shielded somewhat from shit.

This century took the shield away.

Naw appearantly the 60s were a shit decade.

[Floofybit]

Last on first!

...this year is going to be a fluffshow, isn't it?

Think about it. If 2024 will be worse then 2023, and 2023 was worse than 2022, 2025 will be worse than 2024. That means 2024 won't be too bad.

[Bradfordville]

I hate trump as much as the next guy, but won’t banning him from primaries in some states set a bad precedent?

What’s stopping Alabama, or Texas or some other red state from banning random Democratic candidates from the primary for bs reasons? Now obviously trump was banned from the primaries in Colorado and Maine for a legitimate reason, but still it sets a bad precedent.

It would set a bad precedent to follow the law, because some other people might violate the law? Like why should we let people withdraw money from the bank, just because they have an account there: won't that encourage bank robbers?

It would set a bad precedent if we can decide who gets to be on a ballot solely based on a panel of state level judges declaring said candidate "a traitor" or "an insurrectionist."

Not to mention, I still think the absolute worst way to deal with the guy who says the whole system is rigged is to actually rig the election against him, as opposed to helping Biden shoot his campaign down in flames for a second time.

[Floofybit]

It would set a bad precedent to follow the law, because some other people might violate the law? Like why should we let people withdraw money from the bank, just because they have an account there: won't that encourage bank robbers?

You’re not understanding what I’m saying.

Trump getting banned from primaries sets a bad precedent for democracy as a whole because it means any state can ban anyone they want if they flaunt enough legal jargon and mumbo jumbo.

Ban everyone needed until I'm the only candidate left.

[Valles Marineris Mining co]

It would set a bad precedent to follow the law, because some other people might violate the law? Like why should we let people withdraw money from the bank, just because they have an account there: won't that encourage bank robbers?

It would set a bad precedent if we can decide who gets to be on a ballot solely based on a panel of state level judges declaring said candidate "a traitor" or "an insurrectionist."

Exactly.

Stupid judges in Mississippi can declare Biden an insurrectionist cus they believe in Trump’s lies.

[Bradfordville]

Americans are used to being shielded somewhat from shit.

This century took the shield away.

Naw appearantly the 60s were a shit decade.

The shit that happened in the 60s did not touch Americans the way shit does today.

Case in point, the rarity of columbine style massacres in the 60s.

[Valles Marineris Mining co]

It would set a bad precedent to follow the law, because some other people might violate the law? Like why should we let people withdraw money from the bank, just because they have an account there: won't that encourage bank robbers?

It would set a bad precedent if we can decide who gets to be on a ballot solely based on a panel of state level judges declaring said candidate "a traitor" or "an insurrectionist."

Not to mention, I still think the absolute worst way to deal with the guy who says the whole system is rigged is to actually rig the election against him, as opposed to helping Biden shoot his campaign down in flames for a second time.

Your second paragraph is everything. Banning him from Colorado and Maine will backfire massively and will continue to perpetuate trump’s delusions.

[Stellar Colonies]

California becomes first state to offer health insurance to all undocumented immigrants (ABC News)
About 700,000 adults between ages 26 and 49 will be eligible as of Jan. 1

California will welcome the new year by becoming the first state to offer health insurance for all undocumented immigrants.

Starting Jan. 1, all undocumented immigrants, regardless of age, will qualify for Medi-Cal, California's version of the federal Medicaid program for people with low incomes.

Previously, undocumented immigrants were not qualified to receive comprehensive health insurance but were allowed to receive emergency and pregnancy-related services under Medi-Cal as long as they met eligibility requirements, including income limits and California residency in 2014.

In 2015, undocumented children were able to join Medi-Cal under a bill signed by then-Gov. Jerry Brown. In 2019, Gov. Gavin Newsom signed into law an expansion of full-scope Medi-Cal access for young adults ages 19 through 25, regardless of citizenship or immigration status. Access was then further expanded to allow older adults aged 50 and older to receive full benefits, also regardless of immigration status.

The final expansion going into effect Jan. 1 will make approximately 700,000 undocumented residents between ages 26 and 49 eligible for full coverage, according to California State Sen. María Elena Durazo.

"This historic investment speaks to California's commitment to health care as a human right," Durazo said in a statement in May.

“In California, we believe everyone deserves access to quality, affordable health care coverage – regardless of income or immigration status,” Gov. Newsom’s office said in response to an ABC News request for comment. “Through this expansion, we’re making sure families and communities across California are healthier, stronger, and able to get the care they need when they need it.”

California's plan to expand coverage has not been without its detractors. The California Senate Republican Caucus criticized the move in an analysis of the 2022-23 governor's budget.

"Medi-Cal is already strained by serving 14.6 million Californians – more than a third of the state's population. Adding 764,000 more individuals to the system will certainly exacerbate current provider access problems," the caucus wrote last year.

However, studies have shown that undocumented immigrants use fewer healthcare resources than do non-immigrants.

About 50% of undocumented immigrant adults in America report being uninsured, compared to just 8% of U.S.-born citizens, according to the health policy research nonprofit KFF, due to undocumented adults being more likely work jobs that don't provide health benefits, as well as facing eligibility restrictions for federal programs.

Additionally, undocumented immigrants who are eligible may face other barriers, including confusion about eligibility, language challenges and fear, KFF said.

This is despite low-income undocumented immigrants in California being about as likely as those currently enrolled in Medi-Cal to have at least one chronic condition, according to research conducted by the Public Policy Institute of California (PPIC), a nonprofit research institution.

Undocumented immigrants are also about as likely to receive preventive services, such as the flu shot, and older undocumented immigrants are about as likely to receive age-appropriate health services such as cancer screenings and the shingles vaccine, at rates similar to Medi-Cal patients, the PPIC found.

The California Health and Human Services Agency has committed $835.6 million in 2023-24 and $2.6 billion annually thereafter to expand full-scope Medi-Cal eligibility to all income-eligible adults, regardless of immigration status.

When California expanded health care coverage in 2019 to include undocumented young adults, then-President Donald Trump blasted the plan, calling it "very unfair to our citizens."

"If you look at what they're doing in California, how they're treating people, they don't treat their people as well as they treat illegal immigrants," Trump told reporters at the time. "So, at what point does it stop? It's crazy what they're doing. It's crazy. And it's mean, and it's very unfair to our citizens."

[Bradfordville]

It would set a bad precedent if we can decide who gets to be on a ballot solely based on a panel of state level judges declaring said candidate "a traitor" or "an insurrectionist."

Not to mention, I still think the absolute worst way to deal with the guy who says the whole system is rigged is to actually rig the election against him, as opposed to helping Biden shoot his campaign down in flames for a second time.

Your second paragraph is everything. Banning him from Colorado and Maine will backfire massively and will continue to perpetuate trump’s delusions.

Trump's greatest asset throughout the years has often been his opposition. They're doing it again, and I don't like it.

[Tmutarakhan]

Once again, if states can ban a criminal candidate for legitimate reasons, they can probably ban an innocent candidate for false reasons.

The big issue is that they're banning a candidate based on a group of people saying "he committed insurrection/treason, and the 14th Amendment says we can ban him for that."

The Amendment says we MUST ban him for that, and the procedure did involve, like any other court proceeding, his representatives having a full chance to present their best arguments (which weren't very good) that didn't commit insurrection, or since that wasn't working, that somehow the plain text of the Amendment doesn't mean what it says.

[Bradfordville]

California becomes first state to offer health insurance to all undocumented immigrants (ABC News)
About 700,000 adults between ages 26 and 49 will be eligible as of Jan. 1

California will welcome the new year by becoming the first state to offer health insurance for all undocumented immigrants.

Starting Jan. 1, all undocumented immigrants, regardless of age, will qualify for Medi-Cal, California's version of the federal Medicaid program for people with low incomes.

Previously, undocumented immigrants were not qualified to receive comprehensive health insurance but were allowed to receive emergency and pregnancy-related services under Medi-Cal as long as they met eligibility requirements, including income limits and California residency in 2014.

In 2015, undocumented children were able to join Medi-Cal under a bill signed by then-Gov. Jerry Brown. In 2019, Gov. Gavin Newsom signed into law an expansion of full-scope Medi-Cal access for young adults ages 19 through 25, regardless of citizenship or immigration status. Access was then further expanded to allow older adults aged 50 and older to receive full benefits, also regardless of immigration status.

The final expansion going into effect Jan. 1 will make approximately 700,000 undocumented residents between ages 26 and 49 eligible for full coverage, according to California State Sen. María Elena Durazo.

"This historic investment speaks to California's commitment to health care as a human right," Durazo said in a statement in May.

“In California, we believe everyone deserves access to quality, affordable health care coverage – regardless of income or immigration status,” Gov. Newsom’s office said in response to an ABC News request for comment. “Through this expansion, we’re making sure families and communities across California are healthier, stronger, and able to get the care they need when they need it.”

California's plan to expand coverage has not been without its detractors. The California Senate Republican Caucus criticized the move in an analysis of the 2022-23 governor's budget.

"Medi-Cal is already strained by serving 14.6 million Californians – more than a third of the state's population. Adding 764,000 more individuals to the system will certainly exacerbate current provider access problems," the caucus wrote last year.

However, studies have shown that undocumented immigrants use fewer healthcare resources than do non-immigrants.

About 50% of undocumented immigrant adults in America report being uninsured, compared to just 8% of U.S.-born citizens, according to the health policy research nonprofit KFF, due to undocumented adults being more likely work jobs that don't provide health benefits, as well as facing eligibility restrictions for federal programs.

Additionally, undocumented immigrants who are eligible may face other barriers, including confusion about eligibility, language challenges and fear, KFF said.

This is despite low-income undocumented immigrants in California being about as likely as those currently enrolled in Medi-Cal to have at least one chronic condition, according to research conducted by the Public Policy Institute of California (PPIC), a nonprofit research institution.

Undocumented immigrants are also about as likely to receive preventive services, such as the flu shot, and older undocumented immigrants are about as likely to receive age-appropriate health services such as cancer screenings and the shingles vaccine, at rates similar to Medi-Cal patients, the PPIC found.

The California Health and Human Services Agency has committed $835.6 million in 2023-24 and $2.6 billion annually thereafter to expand full-scope Medi-Cal eligibility to all income-eligible adults, regardless of immigration status.

When California expanded health care coverage in 2019 to include undocumented young adults, then-President Donald Trump blasted the plan, calling it "very unfair to our citizens."

"If you look at what they're doing in California, how they're treating people, they don't treat their people as well as they treat illegal immigrants," Trump told reporters at the time. "So, at what point does it stop? It's crazy what they're doing. It's crazy. And it's mean, and it's very unfair to our citizens."

It'll take 2 seconds for Donald to fear monger with this.

[Valles Marineris Mining co]

Naw appearantly the 60s were a shit decade.

The shit that happened in the 60s did not touch Americans the way shit does today.

Case in point, the rarity of columbine style massacres in the 60s.

JFK, RFK, and MLK were killed.

Vietnam

MASSIVE anti war protests that rival the size of the BLM protests in 2020.
Massive racial riots as well

[Bradfordville]

The big issue is that they're banning a candidate based on a group of people saying "he committed insurrection/treason, and the 14th Amendment says we can ban him for that."

The Amendment says we MUST ban him for that, and the procedure did involve, like any other court proceeding, his representatives having a full chance to present their best arguments (which weren't very good) that didn't commit insurrection, or since that wasn't working, that somehow the plain text of the Amendment doesn't mean what it says.

Well I guess we'll see what the Supreme Court says then. Won't we?

[Valles Marineris Mining co]

The big issue is that they're banning a candidate based on a group of people saying "he committed insurrection/treason, and the 14th Amendment says we can ban him for that."

The Amendment says we MUST ban him for that, and the procedure did involve, like any other court proceeding, his representatives having a full chance to present their best arguments (which weren't very good) that didn't commit insurrection, or since that wasn't working, that somehow the plain text of the Amendment doesn't mean what it says.

Once again, what’s stopping state supreme courts from doing the same with Biden and saying that he “overthrew the democratic process by rigging the 2020 election”

[Bradfordville]

The shit that happened in the 60s did not touch Americans the way shit does today.

Case in point, the rarity of columbine style massacres in the 60s.

JFK, RFK, and MLK were killed.

Vietnam

MASSIVE anti war protests that rival the size of the BLM protests in 2020.
Massive racial riots as well

Race riots that did not touch most of white middle class America, which at the time lived in suburbs that were all but no go zones for black folks. Look, the 60s was fucked, but there was a bubble of security (maybe a false sense of security) around middle class white america that is lacking in this era.

And I'm just gonna get ahead of some of you here, and say that this doesn't mean the world was better or was safe. Just that a subset of mankind didn't realize how bad things were, and could live in ignorant bliss, unlike now. Now, you can't change the channel.

[Floofybit]

California becomes first state to offer health insurance to all undocumented immigrants (ABC News)
About 700,000 adults between ages 26 and 49 will be eligible as of Jan. 1

California will welcome the new year by becoming the first state to offer health insurance for all undocumented immigrants.

Starting Jan. 1, all undocumented immigrants, regardless of age, will qualify for Medi-Cal, California's version of the federal Medicaid program for people with low incomes.

Previously, undocumented immigrants were not qualified to receive comprehensive health insurance but were allowed to receive emergency and pregnancy-related services under Medi-Cal as long as they met eligibility requirements, including income limits and California residency in 2014.

In 2015, undocumented children were able to join Medi-Cal under a bill signed by then-Gov. Jerry Brown. In 2019, Gov. Gavin Newsom signed into law an expansion of full-scope Medi-Cal access for young adults ages 19 through 25, regardless of citizenship or immigration status. Access was then further expanded to allow older adults aged 50 and older to receive full benefits, also regardless of immigration status.

The final expansion going into effect Jan. 1 will make approximately 700,000 undocumented residents between ages 26 and 49 eligible for full coverage, according to California State Sen. María Elena Durazo.

"This historic investment speaks to California's commitment to health care as a human right," Durazo said in a statement in May.

“In California, we believe everyone deserves access to quality, affordable health care coverage – regardless of income or immigration status,” Gov. Newsom’s office said in response to an ABC News request for comment. “Through this expansion, we’re making sure families and communities across California are healthier, stronger, and able to get the care they need when they need it.”

California's plan to expand coverage has not been without its detractors. The California Senate Republican Caucus criticized the move in an analysis of the 2022-23 governor's budget.

"Medi-Cal is already strained by serving 14.6 million Californians – more than a third of the state's population. Adding 764,000 more individuals to the system will certainly exacerbate current provider access problems," the caucus wrote last year.

However, studies have shown that undocumented immigrants use fewer healthcare resources than do non-immigrants.

About 50% of undocumented immigrant adults in America report being uninsured, compared to just 8% of U.S.-born citizens, according to the health policy research nonprofit KFF, due to undocumented adults being more likely work jobs that don't provide health benefits, as well as facing eligibility restrictions for federal programs.

Additionally, undocumented immigrants who are eligible may face other barriers, including confusion about eligibility, language challenges and fear, KFF said.

This is despite low-income undocumented immigrants in California being about as likely as those currently enrolled in Medi-Cal to have at least one chronic condition, according to research conducted by the Public Policy Institute of California (PPIC), a nonprofit research institution.

Undocumented immigrants are also about as likely to receive preventive services, such as the flu shot, and older undocumented immigrants are about as likely to receive age-appropriate health services such as cancer screenings and the shingles vaccine, at rates similar to Medi-Cal patients, the PPIC found.

The California Health and Human Services Agency has committed $835.6 million in 2023-24 and $2.6 billion annually thereafter to expand full-scope Medi-Cal eligibility to all income-eligible adults, regardless of immigration status.

When California expanded health care coverage in 2019 to include undocumented young adults, then-President Donald Trump blasted the plan, calling it "very unfair to our citizens."

"If you look at what they're doing in California, how they're treating people, they don't treat their people as well as they treat illegal immigrants," Trump told reporters at the time. "So, at what point does it stop? It's crazy what they're doing. It's crazy. And it's mean, and it's very unfair to our citizens."

Cali W

[Shrillland]

Bro what is with the amount of state lottery referendums

Well, Minnesota is because the 25-year mandate for natural resources funding needed to be renewed while Arkansas is just an expansion of the existing educational funding to include voc-tech schools alongside regular colleges.

[Bradfordville]

You know, I'm not fond of the idea of trump just being booted from the ballot, but the best thing that could happen in that regard would honestly be if the Supreme Court were the people who handed that ruling down, both because they are a court that is expected to weigh in on national level issues, and because they're majority republican.

Maybe it would send a bit of a message if trump's very people threw him overboard. A better message anyways than random ass states deciding on their own accord whether trump should be allowed to run or not.

[Uiiop]

Your second paragraph is everything. Banning him from Colorado and Maine will backfire massively and will continue to perpetuate trump’s delusions.

Trump's greatest asset throughout the years has often been his opposition. They're doing it again, and I don't like it.

I blame centrist schism. They trusted the law to put trump in prison and reacted poorly that the "fever" hasn't broken . Hence why Dean Phillips is a thing and why Colorado did what it did.

[Valles Marineris Mining co]

JFK, RFK, and MLK were killed.

Vietnam

MASSIVE anti war protests that rival the size of the BLM protests in 2020.
Massive racial riots as well

Race riots that did not touch most of white middle class America, which at the time lived in suburbs that were all but no go zones for black folks. Look, the 60s was fucked, but there was a bubble of security (maybe a false sense of security) around middle class white america that is lacking in this era.

And I'm just gonna get ahead of some of you here, and say that this doesn't mean the world was better or was safe. Just that a subset of mankind didn't realize how bad things were, and could live in ignorant bliss, unlike now. Now, you can't change the channel.

How could white middle class people ignore the assassination of the president and his brother, and a war?