You can not Abolished Socialism

[Reignment]

I did not mean to harm the LGBTQ+ Community, I did not mean to be a homophobic, i a just trying to understand the concept of Equality based on the message which means it has something to do with a "Law".

I'm very very sorry, i really just try to unerstand the messages that's all.

I just see it beneficial to the community which has something to do with a law which can be equal benefit to the people who are part of the community.

Weren't you claiming that we shouldn't make gay marriage legal because such laws would benifit gay people more than ithers?

I did not say anything about gay marriage, i just say that the community who had rights will be equally benefitial to others which is part of the community who will benefot the law

[Reignment]

Weren't you claiming that we shouldn't make gay marriage legal because such laws would benifit gay people more than ithers?

I did not say anything about gay marriage, i just say that the community who had rights will be equally benefitial to others which is part of the community who will benefot the law

Okay, i just ask questiion about socialism now it is out of topic because of misunderstading, interpret whatever you wish, i am trying to cooperate here nicely. I won't entertain anymore here.

Thankyou

[Kalaron]

Fun fact: Fascism is an extreme form of socialism that was realized through violent revolution and was committed to the idea of a worldwide communist state. 3. Communism is an authoritarian political ideology that considers individual and other societal interests inferior to the needs of the state.

Literally all of this is wrong.

[Entropan]

i am a socialist, not a communist. i'm not interested in defending the brutality of totalitarian states because they claim representation of left-wing values, which, in themselves, are an extension of liberalism, which communism is completely opposed to.

Socialist = Communist. The only people who disagree are capitalists/reactionaries who want to feel good about themselves. Liberalism is a right wing ideology.

liberalism is inherently a left wing ideology. it is the belief in the freedom of the individual to do what they like as long as it doesn't harm others. to say what they like, to be what they like, to not have to bow down to hierarchies. liberalism can be distilled down to self-management, the principle of everyone having a say over what they are directly affected by to the degree to which they are affected by it, which is the most fundamentally democratic and anti-hierarchical principle that could be had.

a socialist is a liberal who reaches the logical conclusions of liberalism.
a communist is an illiberal, an authoritarian who hides anti-democratic beliefs behind academic veneer, someone who fundamentally does not believe in any values except the authority of the state and the righteousness of some of the worst horrors of the 20th century.

socialists are born from the same place liberals are, communists are born from the same fruit as fascists are.

[Kalaron]

Socialist = Communist. The only people who disagree are capitalists/reactionaries who want to feel good about themselves. Liberalism is a right wing ideology.

liberalism is inherently a left wing ideology. it is the belief in the freedom of the individual to do what they like as long as it doesn't harm others. to say what they like, to be what they like, to not have to bow down to hierarchies. liberalism can be distilled down to self-management, the principle of everyone having a say over what they are directly affected by to the degree to which they are affected by it, which is the most fundamentally democratic and anti-hierarchical principle that could be had.

a socialist is a liberal who reaches the logical conclusions of liberalism.
a communist is an illiberal, an authoritarian who hides anti-democratic beliefs behind academic veneer, someone who fundamentally does not believe in any values except the authority of the state and the righteousness of some of the worst horrors of the 20th century.

socialists are born from the same place liberals are, communists are born from the same fruit as fascists are.

Ah yes
When Marx was writing about human freedom and abolishing the state, he was definitely like "and then we keep it around forever because authority is great"

What you're thinking of is the distinction between socialist and Marxist Leninist.

[Verenzia]

liberalism is inherently a left wing ideology.

False.

it is the belief in the freedom of the individual to do what they like as long as it doesn't harm others. to say what they like, to be what they like, to not have to bow down to hierarchies. liberalism can be distilled down to self-management, the principle of everyone having a say over what they are directly affected by to the degree to which they are affected by it, which is the most fundamentally democratic and anti-hierarchical principle that could be had.

And yet, liberalism has manifested into an ideology that has rationalised the existence of capitalism, which violates all of these principles.

a socialist is a liberal who reaches the logical conclusions of liberalism.

A socialist is someone supports the end of capitalism, either through utopian means (reformism), or scientific means (revolution). Anyone not fitting into this criteria is not a socialist.

a communist is an illiberal, an authoritarian who hides anti-democratic beliefs behind academic veneer, someone who fundamentally does not believe in any values except the authority of the state and the righteousness of some of the worst horrors of the 20th century.

A communist is a socialist. The state will wither away in communism, no nation has ever claimed to have achieved communism, only to aspire to achieve it.

socialists are born from the same place liberals are, communists are born from the same fruit as fascists are.

Liberals are closer to fascists than they are socialists. Socialists are communists.

[Verenzia]

Ah yes. When Marx was writing about human freedom and abolishing the state, he was definitely like "and then we keep it around forever because authority is great". What you're thinking of is the distinction between socialist and Marxist Leninist.

Stalin also believed in the withering away of the state, he discussed this in 1936 for example:

Today it must serve the people, for there are no longer any exploiting classes. And that is precisely why it is now an equal member of Soviet society, in which, side by side with the workers and peasants, pulling together with them, it is engaged in building the new, classless, Socialist society.

He simply believed that this was impossible whilst capitalist nations remained and encircled the USSR, for those capitalist nations would attack.

[HISPIDA]

I know socialism is defined as "Government Asset - State Ownership" nationalized across the nation.

then you know nothing about socialism.

Communism is when gays have rights.

Homosexuality was illegal in the Soviet Union.

this law was very rarely enforced and was just kinda put back into the code because the government kinda realized "hey maybe abolishing literally every law the empire had was a bad idea maybe we should keep a few of the practical ones around" and nobody really cared so it just kinda got put in there

i remember reading somewhere (although in honesty i can't tell you where) that the law was used no more than a handful of times throughout the USSR when it was active.