RU Supreme Court Declares LGBTQ Activism "Extremist"

[Bradfordville]

"Moral standpoint"

I mean, I'm not going to force my morals on anyone else, so I don't see why you should be so bothered. This really does seem like a rather dumb idea on Russia's part.

Why is being gay against your morality?

[Makko Oko]

I mean, I'm not going to force my morals on anyone else, so I don't see why you should be so bothered. This really does seem like a rather dumb idea on Russia's part.

Why is being gay against your morality?

Morals are directly tied to people's religious beliefs. I think earlier on there was a hint of them stating something akin to that.

[Second Dimetrodon Empire]

Being a hateful person with bigoted views, yet because it is based on religion, it becomes "moral."

[Makko Oko]

Being a hateful person with bigoted views, yet because it is based on religion, it becomes "moral."

Moral to them. Morals aren't the same to everybody. What do you think the morals are of a murderer? Probably pretty damn low right? What about yours now? Would yours permit murder? My morals tell me to accept everybody, but theirs clearly do not. Therefore, there is a difference of thought and opinion.

[Kalaron]

Being a hateful person with bigoted views, yet because it is based on religion, it becomes "moral."

Moral to them. Morals aren't the same to everybody. What do you think the morals are of a murderer? Probably pretty damn low right? What about yours now? Would yours permit murder? My morals tell me to accept everybody, but theirs clearly do not. Therefore, there is a difference of thought and opinion.

The sole note I'll make is that it can be interesting to put a little pressure on them when they bring up religion, because a lot of them hide behind "I don't dislike it, god just says so" when what they actually mean is "I consider gay people to be inherently inferior to straight people, unable to feel love".

[Burnt Calculators]

Why do y'all assume I hate gay people? I know and appreciate many of them lol.

[Rusticus I Damianus]

Yes. Maybe not initially, but now? Yes, absolutely.

[Second Dimetrodon Empire]

Why do y'all assume I hate gay people? I know and appreciate many of them lol.

Maybe it was something you wrote earlier about the Russian court being morally correct.

[Floofybit]

Why do y'all assume I hate gay people? I know and appreciate many of them lol.

What were you trying to say back then? I'll accept you said something in the wrong way but what WERE you trying to say?

[Kalaron]

Why do y'all assume I hate gay people? I know and appreciate many of them lol.

Well, putting aside the religious stuff, you came into a thread about Russia, a nation so homophobic that it's closest allies have argued that there are no gay people within them, and then said "Wow I really think it's moral how they're doing this".

[Shangjunshu]

I am an extreme LGBT person, I generally believe in things like equality, humanity, civil rights, militarism, etc, at least to a reasonable degree.

Being a hateful person with bigoted views, yet because it is based on religion, it becomes "moral."

Moral to them. Morals aren't the same to everybody. What do you think the morals are of a murderer? Probably pretty damn low right? What about yours now? Would yours permit murder? My morals tell me to accept everybody, but theirs clearly do not. Therefore, there is a difference of thought and opinion.

I'll be damned, this is the height intellectual reasoning.

[Burnt Calculators]

Why do y'all assume I hate gay people? I know and appreciate many of them lol.

What were you trying to say back then? I'll accept you said something in the wrong way but what WERE you trying to say?

Honestly.... idk. I no longer remember; it's been a long morning.

[Godular]

The insight is literally just them hating trans people
It's basic edgy teen bigotry that they're weirdly proud of.

thinking your other gender is a mental illness and they are to stupid to accept it.

I hate how they are so ignorant

and just to be a smart ass
Edgy in slang means- Cool by virtue of being tough, dark, or badass
I am not any of these characteristics

The German Crown has been *** WARNED for trolling ***. Calling others insane, stupid, and ignorant for having different lifestyle choices than yours is unacceptable behavior. Disagree with their choices all you wish, but do so respectfully.

Also, 'edgy' generally is taken to mean 'provocative' or 'confrontational', which you most assuredly were.

[Galmat]

I mean, I'm not going to force my morals on anyone else, so I don't see why you should be so bothered. This really does seem like a rather dumb idea on Russia's part.

Why is being gay against your morality?

Hot Take: Any moral stance proven only by religion should not be accepted as a legitimate form of morality to be taken seriously.

[Burnt Calculators]

Why is being gay against your morality?

Hot Take: Any moral stance proven only by religion should not be accepted as a legitimate form of morality to be taken seriously.

That's a lot of people not to take seriously.

[Cessarea]

Hot Take: Any moral stance proven only by religion should not be accepted as a legitimate form of morality to be taken seriously.

That's a lot of people not to take seriously.

Great, less moral agents to deal with. You know what a headache it is to organise 8 billion individuals on morality? If we could shave off a few billions that'd be wonderful.

[Galmat]

Hot Take: Any moral stance proven only by religion should not be accepted as a legitimate form of morality to be taken seriously.

That's a lot of people not to take seriously.

Hmm, somewhat. To believe homosexuality is wrong because it is unnatural and causes a negative impact on society ( it doesn't, but for the sake of the example, let's assume so) proven by objective facts and reasoning, and coincidentally believe in a deity that supports this, is one thing. To believe that it is wrong only because God said so is another.

That's a lot of people not to take seriously.

Great, less moral agents to deal with. You know what a headache it is to organise 8 billion individuals on morality? If we could shave off a few billions that'd be wonderful.

We might be able to reach the ultimate moral theory at that point. Let religion deal with trivial and existential matters, let logic and reason rule practical matters.

[Burnt Calculators]

That's a lot of people not to take seriously.

Hmm, somewhat. To believe homosexuality is wrong because it is unnatural and causes a negative impact on society ( it doesn't, but for the sake of the example, let's assume so) proven by objective facts and reasoning, and coincidentally believe in a deity that supports this, is one thing. To believe that it is wrong only because God said so is another.

Great, less moral agents to deal with. You know what a headache it is to organise 8 billion individuals on morality? If we could shave off a few billions that'd be wonderful.

We might be able to reach the ultimate moral theory at that point. Let religion deal with trivial and existential matters, let logic and reason rule practical matters.

But you cannot completely disregard all religious peoples' morals, because then you will get pushback, as well as increased tension between religious people and atheists.

[Cessarea]

But you cannot completely disregard all religious peoples' morals, because then you will get pushback, as well as increased tension between religious people and atheists.

Frankly, I already can. The constitutional framework of Liberal Democracies have generally agreed that religion is not a sufficient basis for public policy. I can already live my life without having to give religion any thought. Of course, religion affects politics, which therefore affect public policy, but that's an indirect influence which can at least be countered. You can't argue against someone's faith directly - you can't disprove their god or objectively say their theological interpretations are wrong - but you can argue and take steps against the inclusion of that faith in societal rules and norms.

[Galmat]

Hmm, somewhat. To believe homosexuality is wrong because it is unnatural and causes a negative impact on society ( it doesn't, but for the sake of the example, let's assume so) proven by objective facts and reasoning, and coincidentally believe in a deity that supports this, is one thing. To believe that it is wrong only because God said so is another.


We might be able to reach the ultimate moral theory at that point. Let religion deal with trivial and existential matters, let logic and reason rule practical matters.

But you cannot completely disregard all religious peoples' morals, because then you will get pushback, as well as increased tension between religious people and atheists.

Such conflict and opposition is only natural. The same logic could have been used against slavery. The moderate position does nothing but allow the current problem persist. It is my duty based on my own intellectual integrity to stop irrationality at all costs.

But you cannot completely disregard all religious peoples' morals, because then you will get pushback, as well as increased tension between religious people and atheists.

Frankly, I already can. The constitutional framework of Liberal Democracies have generally agreed that religion is not a sufficient basis for public policy. I can already live my life without having to give religion any thought. Of course, religion affects politics, which therefore affect public policy, but that's an indirect influence which can at least be countered. You can't argue against someone's faith directly - you can't disprove their god or objectively say their theological interpretations are wrong - but you can argue and take steps against the inclusion of that faith in societal rules and norms.

^This

[Second Dimetrodon Empire]

Hmm, somewhat. To believe homosexuality is wrong because it is unnatural and causes a negative impact on society ( it doesn't, but for the sake of the example, let's assume so) proven by objective facts and reasoning, and coincidentally believe in a deity that supports this, is one thing. To believe that it is wrong only because God said so is another.


We might be able to reach the ultimate moral theory at that point. Let religion deal with trivial and existential matters, let logic and reason rule practical matters.

But you cannot completely disregard all religious peoples' morals, because then you will get pushback, as well as increased tension between religious people and atheists.

We get push-back just for existing, so...

Yeah, we're not going to be silent on this.

[Shangjunshu]

But you cannot completely disregard all religious peoples' morals, because then you will get pushback, as well as increased tension between religious people and atheists.

I write about ancient China. I will take a moment out of my day to pay special heed to religious people somewhere between 12AM-12PM.

[San Lumen]

Yes. Maybe not initially, but now? Yes, absolutely.

what are you referring too?

[Oodreria]

it is extremist

[Bovad]

it is extremist

How so?