RU Supreme Court Declares LGBTQ Activism "Extremist"

[Rusozak]

Fascists arguing that one of the most authoritarian countries in the world deciding to ban gay people is okay because it's the "will of the people" based on state-approved surveys and the fact they have an election every now and then. What strange times we live in.

[Lower Danuvia]

I am sure that many among you, my libertarian and progressive friends, are not bad, but just naive.

In the West, most nations do not reach the level of population replacement. The children and grandchildren of those born today will probably not have a pension because not enough people will be found to work. For now we try to make up for it with migrants, but when (and if) migrants take over our ways, what will happen?

In all this danger to the common good, what sense does it make to encourage homosexuality, abortion, contraception, divorce and euthanasia? And then think about it, if the Europeans were to disappear, who would be left to agree with the progressives?

[Bradfordville]

It's high time that Westerners realise that the rest of the world doesn't revolve around them. Different cultures have different values.

Values that lead to oppression and hatred are garbage values. I've criticized "western values" before for basically amounting to "hypocrisy and dishonesty" in practice, but being an honest tyrant, racist or murderer isn't somehow an improvement. Russia being a rather openly authoritarian and repressive place isn't some kind of improvement compared to the inverted totalitarianism of the US or the failure of American society to live up to its alleged values of freedom and justice at home or abroad. Homophobia is stupid. It's probably one of the least justifiable prejudices out there. It being a Russian value doesn't mean we need to show it respect now. Hopefully Russia will do what many countries have done, and retire values that are primitive and reactionary.

[The Free Joy State]

Fascists arguing that one of the most authoritarian countries in the world deciding to ban gay people is okay because it's the "will of the people" based on state-approved surveys and the fact they have an election every now and then. What strange times we live in.

Is an election really an election if you try to murder, then lock up on spurious charges, the guy most likely to beat you? Most definitions suggest not.

[Necroghastia]

I am sure that many among you, my libertarian and progressive friends, are not bad, but just naive.

In the West, most nations do not reach the level of population replacement. The children and grandchildren of those born today will probably not have a pension because not enough people will be found to work. For now we try to make up for it with migrants, but when (and if) migrants take over our ways, what will happen?

In all this danger to the common good, what sense does it make to encourage homosexuality, abortion, contraception, divorce and euthanasia? Russia has struggled to reach the level of replacement, but it has barely succeeded. Know what other nation has succeeded? Hungary. I wonder why.

And then think about it, if the Europeans were to disappear, who would be left to agree with the progressives?

You do realize being LGBT is not really something that one can "encourage," right? You either are or you are not.

Plus there is just... no way LGBT people are in any way potentially going to subsume heterosexual people to the point that entire nations will die out.
(also LGBT people *can* have children, for that matter. Surrogacy, adoption, same-gender couples where one is trans, etc.)

[Second Dimetrodon Empire]

I am sure that many among you, my libertarian and progressive friends, are not bad, but just naive.

In the West, most nations do not reach the level of population replacement. The children and grandchildren of those born today will probably not have a pension because not enough people will be found to work. For now we try to make up for it with migrants, but when (and if) migrants take over our ways, what will happen?

In all this danger to the common good, what sense does it make to encourage homosexuality, abortion, contraception, divorce and euthanasia? And then think about it, if the Europeans were to disappear, who would be left to agree with the progressives?

Homosexuality is not the cause of population decline. That is a pseudoscientific claim.

[Bradfordville]

I am sure that many among you, my libertarian and progressive friends, are not bad, but just naive.

In the West, most nations do not reach the level of population replacement. The children and grandchildren of those born today will probably not have a pension because not enough people will be found to work. For now we try to make up for it with migrants, but when (and if) migrants take over our ways, what will happen?

In all this danger to the common good, what sense does it make to encourage homosexuality, abortion, contraception, divorce and euthanasia? And then think about it, if the Europeans were to disappear, who would be left to agree with the progressives?

There are millions of progressive individuals in many non-european countries, actually. Non-westerners/non-white people aren't just a barbaric horde of Savages who sacrifice children to baal and sell women as slaves you know. In fact we have some non western progressive types on this site like Bombadil or Pasong Tirad.

[Lower Danuvia]

You do realize being LGBT is not really something that one can "encourage," right? You either are or you are not.

Plus there is just... no way LGBT people are in any way potentially going to subsume heterosexual people to the point that entire nations will die out.
(also LGBT people *can* have children, for that matter. Surrogacy, adoption, same-gender couples where one is trans, etc.)

Conditionings in society can do a lot. Lately a lot of people turn out to be homosexual compared to previous eras. Yet the man is still the same.

Homosexuals can raise a child, but they cannot give birth to it. That is also an important part of the job.

Finally, there is nothing to prevent homosexuals from outnumbering heterosexuals, although so far, to my knowledge, that has not happened. And even if they don't get to exceed the number of heterosexuals, they certainly affect the population.

[Bradfordville]

You do realize being LGBT is not really something that one can "encourage," right? You either are or you are not.

Plus there is just... no way LGBT people are in any way potentially going to subsume heterosexual people to the point that entire nations will die out.
(also LGBT people *can* have children, for that matter. Surrogacy, adoption, same-gender couples where one is trans, etc.)

Conditionings in society can do a lot. Lately a lot of people turn out to be homosexual compared to previous eras. Yet the man is still the same.

There's more gay people only in the sense that there's more openly gay people, because it's legal and accepted in the west nowadays. This is like wondering why there's more Jewish people if a country that previously banned being Jewish suddenly said it was okay. Straight people aren't turning gay. This is just silly fear mongering.

[The Free Joy State]

I am sure that many among you, my libertarian and progressive friends, are not bad, but just naive.

In the West, most nations do not reach the level of population replacement. The children and grandchildren of those born today will probably not have a pension because not enough people will be found to work. For now we try to make up for it with migrants, but when (and if) migrants take over our ways, what will happen?

In all this danger to the common good, what sense does it make to encourage homosexuality, abortion, contraception, divorce and euthanasia? And then think about it, if the Europeans were to disappear, who would be left to agree with the progressives?

Homosexuality is not the cause of population decline. That is a pseudoscientific claim.

Russia experienced a large amount of excess deaths during COVID, exacerbating the nation's already poor cardiovascular health that caused heart attacks, strokes, and aneurysms to be a leading cause of death. More recently, feeding young people into the grinder of an unnecessary war is also leading to more population decline (the life expectancy for men is currently the same as in Haiti), and also led to increased emigration.

Of course, the Russian government prefers to blame homosexuality and women having abortions -- otherwise they'd have to look at their own piss-poor decision making.

[Second Dimetrodon Empire]

Lately a lot of people turn out to be homosexual compared to previous eras.

Yeah, because people don't have to hide as often anymore, even though discrimination is still a massive problem.

[Floofybit]

Conditionings in society can do a lot. Lately a lot of people turn out to be homosexual compared to previous eras. Yet the man is still the same.

Because less people are being arrested and killed for it.

[Lower Danuvia]

Conditionings in society can do a lot. Lately a lot of people turn out to be homosexual compared to previous eras. Yet the man is still the same.

There's more gay people only in the sense that there's more openly gay people, because it's legal and accepted in the west nowadays. This is like wondering why there's more Jewish people if a country that previously banned being Jewish suddenly said it was okay. Straight people aren't turning gay. This is just silly fear mongering.

It is reality. It is there at hand, and denying it will not make it any less real. Have a good day.

[Floofybit]

There's more gay people only in the sense that there's more openly gay people, because it's legal and accepted in the west nowadays. This is like wondering why there's more Jewish people if a country that previously banned being Jewish suddenly said it was okay. Straight people aren't turning gay. This is just silly fear mongering.

It is reality. It is there at hand, and denying it will not make it any less real. Have a good day.

Of course. Every hour a straight person is converted gay. Uh-huh, uh-huh

[Bradfordville]

There's more gay people only in the sense that there's more openly gay people, because it's legal and accepted in the west nowadays. This is like wondering why there's more Jewish people if a country that previously banned being Jewish suddenly said it was okay. Straight people aren't turning gay. This is just silly fear mongering.

It is reality.

No it's not. It's a fantasy. There's as many LGBT people now as there was in 1960. They're just way more open now than then. Back then, millions of people were lying (for good reason) about who they really were.

[The Free Joy State]

There's more gay people only in the sense that there's more openly gay people, because it's legal and accepted in the west nowadays. This is like wondering why there's more Jewish people if a country that previously banned being Jewish suddenly said it was okay. Straight people aren't turning gay. This is just silly fear mongering.

It is reality. It is there at hand, and denying it will not make it any less real. Have a good day.

Yes, it is the reality that claims anyone can be "conditioned" to be gay are nothing more than silly fear-mongering.

Turns out, not fearing being murdered or forced to drink emetic substances make it a lot easier for a person to be honest about who they are (including to themselves).

[Cessarea]

It's high time that Westerners realise that the rest of the world doesn't revolve around them. Different cultures have different values. Just because Western Europe tolerates and even encourages the extremist gender ideology doesn't automatically mean the rest of the world will as well. A majority of the Russian have repeatedly stated that they oppose allowing homosexuality and all kinds of these gender ideologies to become mainstream. 'A 2022 survey found that 74% of Russians said homosexuality should not be accepted by society (up from 60% in 2002), compared to 14% who said that homosexuality should be accepted by society' (I directly copypasted this from wikipidea). The basic rule of democracy is decisions should be taken according to the wish of the common populace. The Court just did that. Then who are we to criticise it? Why the fuck do the Westerners feel that they have the right to criticise such a law?

Also bold of you to call out the political dominance over the judiciary in Russia while such a thing exists in each and every country in the world. The very reason we see the very worst instances of the gender ideology being supported by the courts in Western countries is a proof of the same.

I can and will criticise laws and attitudes that do nothing but endanger people similar to myself. Traditions that result in suicides. Cultural attitudes that lead to the bullying and social exclusion of minorities. That a majority of Russians voted to endorse this will not suddenly make it acceptable - if I were to be subjected to the democratic vote of my local community my situation would not be too dissimilar from that of the Russian LGBT community right now.

My criticism will not be quelled simply because the majority has voted in favour of oppressing the minority. I will not respect decisions that will haunt people like me in Russia for generations to come. I owe no loyalty to Russian democracy - they have voted to hurt LGBT people, and theirs was an odious decision.

EDIT: by the way, this is a very silly way to look at criticisms on the decision of a democracy. A majority of people deciding on a course of action does not make that action correct. Back when the West was mostly very cool with ask don't tell, did it suddenly make that policy correct? Was it not worthy of criticism? And were the few critics of that policy not, in hindsight, correct in their judgement? Were the early and minority abolitionists of the US not more correct than their mild anti-slavery counterparts, who instead were content with merely phasing slavery out over time? Was their opinion not vindicated by history itself?

Majority support is not, and has never been, a valid basis for excluding opinions. You don't get to shut the minority up that way.

[Necroghastia]

You do realize being LGBT is not really something that one can "encourage," right? You either are or you are not.

Plus there is just... no way LGBT people are in any way potentially going to subsume heterosexual people to the point that entire nations will die out.
(also LGBT people *can* have children, for that matter. Surrogacy, adoption, same-gender couples where one is trans, etc.)

Conditionings in society can do a lot. Lately a lot of people turn out to be homosexual compared to previous eras. Yet the man is still the same.

Homosexuals can raise a child, but they cannot give birth to it. That is also an important part of the job.

Finally, there is nothing to prevent homosexuals from outnumbering heterosexuals, although so far, to my knowledge, that has not happened. And even if they don't get to exceed the number of heterosexuals, they certainly affect the population.

Others have tackled why your first point is silly, so as to your second: again, surrogacy and same-gender couples where one partner is trans.

[Kalaron]

It's high time that Westerners realise that the rest of the world doesn't revolve around them. Different cultures have different values. Just because Western Europe tolerates and even encourages the extremist gender ideology doesn't automatically mean the rest of the world will as well. A majority of the Russian have repeatedly stated that they oppose allowing homosexuality and all kinds of these gender ideologies to become mainstream. 'A 2022 survey found that 74% of Russians said homosexuality should not be accepted by society (up from 60% in 2002), compared to 14% who said that homosexuality should be accepted by society' (I directly copypasted this from wikipidea). The basic rule of democracy is decisions should be taken according to the wish of the common populace. The Court just did that. Then who are we to criticise it? Why the fuck do the Westerners feel that they have the right to criticise such a law?

Also bold of you to call out the political dominance over the judiciary in Russia while such a thing exists in each and every country in the world. The very reason we see the very worst instances of the gender ideology being supported by the courts in Western countries is a proof of the same.

>Calls someone gay in a different thread
>Bro it's not an insult bro I'm joking bro
>Comes in here
>Anti-LGBT stance

Wow dude I'm so surprised this is a totally novel experience no one has ever pulled this trick before

[Bradfordville]

It's high time that Westerners realise that the rest of the world doesn't revolve around them. Different cultures have different values. Just because Western Europe tolerates and even encourages the extremist gender ideology doesn't automatically mean the rest of the world will as well. A majority of the Russian have repeatedly stated that they oppose allowing homosexuality and all kinds of these gender ideologies to become mainstream. 'A 2022 survey found that 74% of Russians said homosexuality should not be accepted by society (up from 60% in 2002), compared to 14% who said that homosexuality should be accepted by society' (I directly copypasted this from wikipidea). The basic rule of democracy is decisions should be taken according to the wish of the common populace. The Court just did that. Then who are we to criticise it? Why the fuck do the Westerners feel that they have the right to criticise such a law?

Also bold of you to call out the political dominance over the judiciary in Russia while such a thing exists in each and every country in the world. The very reason we see the very worst instances of the gender ideology being supported by the courts in Western countries is a proof of the same.

>Calls someone gay in a different thread
>Bro it's not an insult bro I'm joking bro
>Comes in here
>Anti-LGBT stance

Wow dude I'm so surprised this is a totally novel experience no one has ever pulled this trick before

Reminds me of the time I was speaking to a "totally not racist" Trump fan who later on that same day (July 4th, 2022) dropped the N bomb with the hard R.

[Deblar]

It's high time that Westerners realise that the rest of the world doesn't revolve around them. Different cultures have different values. Just because Western Europe tolerates and even encourages the extremist gender ideology doesn't automatically mean the rest of the world will as well. A majority of the Russian have repeatedly stated that they oppose allowing homosexuality and all kinds of these gender ideologies to become mainstream. 'A 2022 survey found that 74% of Russians said homosexuality should not be accepted by society (up from 60% in 2002), compared to 14% who said that homosexuality should be accepted by society' (I directly copypasted this from wikipidea). The basic rule of democracy is decisions should be taken according to the wish of the common populace. The Court just did that. Then who are we to criticise it? Why the fuck do the Westerners feel that they have the right to criticise such a law?

Also bold of you to call out the political dominance over the judiciary in Russia while such a thing exists in each and every country in the world. The very reason we see the very worst instances of the gender ideology being supported by the courts in Western countries is a proof of the same.

Ah yes, the "extremist gender ideology" that is simply requesting to be treated as equals regardless of sexual orientation, as is their right as human beings.

[Bradfordville]

It's high time that Westerners realise that the rest of the world doesn't revolve around them. Different cultures have different values. Just because Western Europe tolerates and even encourages the extremist gender ideology doesn't automatically mean the rest of the world will as well. A majority of the Russian have repeatedly stated that they oppose allowing homosexuality and all kinds of these gender ideologies to become mainstream. 'A 2022 survey found that 74% of Russians said homosexuality should not be accepted by society (up from 60% in 2002), compared to 14% who said that homosexuality should be accepted by society' (I directly copypasted this from wikipidea). The basic rule of democracy is decisions should be taken according to the wish of the common populace. The Court just did that. Then who are we to criticise it? Why the fuck do the Westerners feel that they have the right to criticise such a law?

Also bold of you to call out the political dominance over the judiciary in Russia while such a thing exists in each and every country in the world. The very reason we see the very worst instances of the gender ideology being supported by the courts in Western countries is a proof of the same.

Ah yes, the "extremist gender ideology" that is simply requesting to be treated as equals regardless of sexual orientation, as is their right as human beings.

Apparently straight people can't go on living if the law requires them to not punch gay people or drive over them in their car. The world will somehow end if we treat the LGBT as fairly as we treat other people.

[Stellar Colonies]

It's high time that Westerners realise that the rest of the world doesn't revolve around them. Different cultures have different values. Just because Western Europe tolerates and even encourages the extremist gender ideology doesn't automatically mean the rest of the world will as well. A majority of the Russian have repeatedly stated that they oppose allowing homosexuality and all kinds of these gender ideologies to become mainstream. 'A 2022 survey found that 74% of Russians said homosexuality should not be accepted by society (up from 60% in 2002), compared to 14% who said that homosexuality should be accepted by society' (I directly copypasted this from wikipidea). The basic rule of democracy is decisions should be taken according to the wish of the common populace. The Court just did that. Then who are we to criticise it? Why the fuck do the Westerners feel that they have the right to criticise such a law?

Also bold of you to call out the political dominance over the judiciary in Russia while such a thing exists in each and every country in the world. The very reason we see the very worst instances of the gender ideology being supported by the courts in Western countries is a proof of the same.

Ah yes, the "extremist gender ideology" that is simply requesting to be treated as equals regardless of sexual orientation, as is their right as human beings.

The "degenerate West" strikes again!

i hope i dont have to say im joking

[Valles Marineris Mining co]

Not surprising. Eastern Europe as a whole is pretty homophobic, including Ukraine.

[Rusozak]

It's high time that Westerners realise that the rest of the world doesn't revolve around them. Different cultures have different values. Just because Western Europe tolerates and even encourages the extremist gender ideology doesn't automatically mean the rest of the world will as well. A majority of the Russian have repeatedly stated that they oppose allowing homosexuality and all kinds of these gender ideologies to become mainstream. 'A 2022 survey found that 74% of Russians said homosexuality should not be accepted by society (up from 60% in 2002), compared to 14% who said that homosexuality should be accepted by society' (I directly copypasted this from wikipidea). The basic rule of democracy is decisions should be taken according to the wish of the common populace. The Court just did that. Then who are we to criticise it? Why the fuck do the Westerners feel that they have the right to criticise such a law?

Also bold of you to call out the political dominance over the judiciary in Russia while such a thing exists in each and every country in the world. The very reason we see the very worst instances of the gender ideology being supported by the courts in Western countries is a proof of the same.

Ah yes, the "extremist gender ideology" that is simply requesting to be treated as equals regardless of sexual orientation, as is their right as human beings.

"Stomping out an extremist ideology" sounds better than "disappearing minorities." It's all about controlling the narrative.