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Postby Federal Republic of Serov » Tue Nov 28, 2023 8:58 am

Eragon Island wrote:
Federal Republic of Serov wrote:The only reason they think they’re in the wrong body is because of the leftists in the culture and the rejection of Christianity.


Bro, if my takes are bad, yours are terrible. What do you get from telling people how to live? What do you get? People should learn to be more inclusive so NS should be used in schools


Ah, leftist tears

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Postby Eragon Island » Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:00 am

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Picairn wrote:The sheer amount of people with nuclear Twitter level of bad takes on NSG (including some from this very thread) should give one pause before integrating it with public education.


Let's be real here. Can public education truly get any worse? NS surely can't be rock bottom



At least we aren't 4chan or some shit.

Also, as a student, education in this country sucks. NS might be an improvement in some areas.
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Postby Eragon Island » Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:02 am

Federal Republic of Serov wrote:
Eragon Island wrote:
Bro, if my takes are bad, yours are terrible. What do you get from telling people how to live? What do you get? People should learn to be more inclusive so NS should be used in schools


Ah, leftist tears

I’m just trying to preserve a society that acknowledges truth. Because if you can deny the fundamental truth that there are 2 genders, man and woman, and they can’t be changed, then there is no truth.
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At what point did I state I was leftist? All I did was advocate for freedom. And, if anything, you are trying to limit freedom.

Anyway, all that I stated was that NS might be good for the system.
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Postby Picairn » Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:02 am

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Picairn wrote:The sheer amount of people with nuclear Twitter level of bad takes on NSG (including some from this very thread) should give one pause before integrating it with public education.


Let's be real here. Can public education truly get any worse? NS surely can't be rock bottom

Nah it absolutely can. We have Stalin apologists, literal Nazis, terrorist apologists, and war crime deniers on this very forum.
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Postby Second Dimetrodon Empire » Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:04 am

Federal Republic of Serov wrote:
Eragon Island wrote:
Bro, if my takes are bad, yours are terrible. What do you get from telling people how to live? What do you get? People should learn to be more inclusive so NS should be used in schools


Ah, leftist tears

I’m just trying to preserve a society that acknowledges truth. Because if you can deny the fundamental truth that there are 2 genders, man and woman, and they can’t be changed, then there is no truth.
War is Peace
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Ah, rightest tears.

Also, kind of pathetic that you have to quote a leftist writer by the name of George Orwell, especially when I know for a fact he is much more like me than you.
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Postby Federal Republic of Serov » Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:10 am

Second Dimetrodon Empire wrote:
Federal Republic of Serov wrote:
Ah, leftist tears

I’m just trying to preserve a society that acknowledges truth. Because if you can deny the fundamental truth that there are 2 genders, man and woman, and they can’t be changed, then there is no truth.
War is Peace
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Ah, rightest tears.

Also, kind of pathetic that you have to quote a leftist writer by the name of George Orwell, especially when I know for a fact he is much more like me than you.


1984 is an anti-authoritarian book. Not a left-wing or right-wing book. What’s really pathetic is that you’ve run out of arguments and are just insulting me Lol.
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Postby Makko Oko » Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:12 am

Federal Republic of Serov wrote:
Second Dimetrodon Empire wrote:
Ah, rightest tears.

Also, kind of pathetic that you have to quote a leftist writer by the name of George Orwell, especially when I know for a fact he is much more like me than you.


1984 is an anti-authoritarian book. Not a left-wing or right-wing book. What’s really pathetic is that you’ve run out of arguments and are just insulting me Lol.


Just gonna say an idea here, why don't you just create a new thread asking if Orwell was leftist or anti-authoritarian. That topic is not really for this thread.
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Postby The Socially Conservative Crimson Spire » Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:13 am

Picairn wrote:
Makko Oko wrote:
Let's be real here. Can public education truly get any worse? NS surely can't be rock bottom

Nah it absolutely can. We have Stalin apologists, literal Nazis, terrorist apologists, and war crime deniers on this very forum.

I'm not sure any form of social media should be mandated anyway, even without the characters you can find on NSG
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That's actually a great idea

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Postby Second Dimetrodon Empire » Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:14 am

Federal Republic of Serov wrote:
Second Dimetrodon Empire wrote:
Ah, rightest tears.

Also, kind of pathetic that you have to quote a leftist writer by the name of George Orwell, especially when I know for a fact he is much more like me than you.


1984 is an anti-authoritarian book. Not a left-wing or right-wing book. What’s really pathetic is that you’ve run out of arguments and are just insulting me Lol.


It is a left-wing book. It is an attack on both far-left Stalinism and far-right Nazism, and attacking both from the left.

See the quote in my signature.
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Postby Federal Republic of Serov » Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:16 am

Second Dimetrodon Empire wrote:
Federal Republic of Serov wrote:
1984 is an anti-authoritarian book. Not a left-wing or right-wing book. What’s really pathetic is that you’ve run out of arguments and are just insulting me Lol.


It is a left-wing book. It is an attack on both far-left Stalinism and far-right Nazism, and attacking both from the left.

See the quote in my signature.


I disagree, as there are no left-wing themes in 1984 only anti-authoritarian. But that’s your opinion.
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Postby Free Social Conservatives » Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:19 am

Second Dimetrodon Empire wrote:
Federal Republic of Serov wrote:
1984 is an anti-authoritarian book. Not a left-wing or right-wing book. What’s really pathetic is that you’ve run out of arguments and are just insulting me Lol.


It is a left-wing book. It is an attack on both far-left Stalinism and far-right Nazism, and attacking both from the left.

See the quote in my signature.

Dimetrodon, you have a peculiar interest in holding to the belief Orwell was a socialist writer in the context Socialist was used back then. I don't quite understand your thinking here.
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Postby Second Dimetrodon Empire » Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:24 am

Federal Republic of Serov wrote:
Second Dimetrodon Empire wrote:
It is a left-wing book. It is an attack on both far-left Stalinism and far-right Nazism, and attacking both from the left.

See the quote in my signature.


I disagree, as there are no left-wing themes in 1984 only anti-authoritarian. But that’s your opinion.


I think the author's own words have more value on that front.

And page 241 of the book had this to say about capitalism:

Nor was it a satisfactory solution to keep the masses in
poverty by restricting the output of goods. This happened
to a great extent during the final phase of capitalism, rough-
ly between 1920 and 1940. The economy of many countries
was allowed to stagnate, land went out of cultivation, capital
equipment was not added to, great blocks of the popula-
tion were prevented from working and kept half alive by
State charity.


Orwell is saying here that pure capitalism tried to do the same thing the totalitarian party, but was just less successful at it.
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Postby Second Dimetrodon Empire » Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:26 am

Free Social Conservatives wrote:
Second Dimetrodon Empire wrote:
It is a left-wing book. It is an attack on both far-left Stalinism and far-right Nazism, and attacking both from the left.

See the quote in my signature.

Dimetrodon, you have a peculiar interest in holding to the belief Orwell was a socialist writer in the context Socialist was used back then. I don't quite understand your thinking here.


He literally fought in the armed wing of a Communist Party during the Spanish Civil War too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homage_to_Catalonia

And he called himself a democratic socialist. That's just me stating facts, whether you like it or not.
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Postby Floofybit » Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:44 am

Federal Republic of Serov wrote:War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is strength

I don't remember Jesus supporting any of these. How can you be Christian if you don't follow Christ?
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Postby Makko Oko » Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:47 am

Floofybit wrote:
Federal Republic of Serov wrote:War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is strength

I don't remember Jesus supporting any of these. How can you be Christian if you don't follow Christ?


Ask every right-winger in America. They appear to have it down.
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Postby Osmauri » Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:58 am

Second Dimetrodon Empire wrote:
Federal Republic of Serov wrote:
I disagree, as there are no left-wing themes in 1984 only anti-authoritarian. But that’s your opinion.


I think the author's own words have more value on that front.

And page 241 of the book had this to say about capitalism:

Nor was it a satisfactory solution to keep the masses in
poverty by restricting the output of goods. This happened
to a great extent during the final phase of capitalism, rough-
ly between 1920 and 1940. The economy of many countries
was allowed to stagnate, land went out of cultivation, capital
equipment was not added to, great blocks of the popula-
tion were prevented from working and kept half alive by
State charity.


Orwell is saying here that pure capitalism tried to do the same thing the totalitarian party, but was just less successful at it.

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Postby Federal Republic of Serov » Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:10 am

Floofybit wrote:
Federal Republic of Serov wrote:War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is strength

I don't remember Jesus supporting any of these. How can you be Christian if you don't follow Christ?


Exactly. That’s why the culture has rejected Christianity.
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Postby Floofybit » Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:15 am

Federal Republic of Serov wrote:
Floofybit wrote:I don't remember Jesus supporting any of these. How can you be Christian if you don't follow Christ?


Exactly. That’s why the culture has rejected Christianity.

Sorry, I'm confused. Are you trying to say that the idea of trans people is a doublethink or that you support doublethinks? Either way, both are stupid ideas.
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Postby Second Dimetrodon Empire » Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:16 am

Federal Republic of Serov wrote:
Floofybit wrote:I don't remember Jesus supporting any of these. How can you be Christian if you don't follow Christ?


Exactly. That’s why the culture has rejected Christianity.


You conservatives live up to those slogans much better than anyone you are criticizing.
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Postby Edush » Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:16 am

NationStates for Educators is already a thing, but I don't see how it can become 'a core part' of any education system... maybe it can be used more, but not so much so that it becomes an important part of learning.
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Postby Federal Republic of Serov » Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:20 am

Floofybit wrote:
Federal Republic of Serov wrote:
Exactly. That’s why the culture has rejected Christianity.

Sorry, I'm confused. Are you trying to say that the idea of trans people is a doublethink or that you support doublethinks? Either way, both are stupid ideas.


The “transgenderism” is a doublethink. I don’t support doublethink.
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:22 am

This thread is many things, but it is -not- the dumbest question ever asked in NationStates General.


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Postby Federal Republic of Serov » Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:23 am

Second Dimetrodon Empire wrote:
Federal Republic of Serov wrote:
Exactly. That’s why the culture has rejected Christianity.


You conservatives live up to those slogans much better than anyone you are criticizing.


How though?
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