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Postby Flammable Ice » Wed Jun 02, 2010 1:55 pm

Brogavia wrote:I thought only countries without tight control on who gets firearms and that have a gun culture can have mass shootings.

No, they just get them much more often.

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Postby Toe-Cheeseland » Wed Jun 02, 2010 2:12 pm

that wasn't far from me, and you dont expect it to happen :shock:
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Postby Arkinesia » Wed Jun 02, 2010 2:14 pm

Nadkor wrote:
Brogavia wrote:I thought only countries without tight control on who gets firearms and that have a gun culture can have mass shootings.

The last mass shooting the UK had was 13 years ago. The US appears to have one every couple of months.

Clearly one of those countries is doing something right.

We have a mass shooting maybe once a year, and anymore it's on college campuses, where we're not allowed to have firearms or even knives.

Hell we can't even have much more than a baseball bat.

After Virginia Tech three years ago, we banned firearm use on college and university campuses, and since then, only colleges and universities have experienced mass shootings.

Sure, there is firearm-related crime elsewhere, but real mass shootings are on college campuses.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jun 02, 2010 2:18 pm

Arkinesia wrote:After Virginia Tech three years ago, we banned firearm use on college and university campuses, and since then, only colleges and universities have experienced mass shootings.

Sure, there is firearm-related crime elsewhere, but real mass shootings are on college campuses.

Source?

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Postby Arkinesia » Wed Jun 02, 2010 2:19 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Arkinesia wrote:After Virginia Tech three years ago, we banned firearm use on college and university campuses, and since then, only colleges and universities have experienced mass shootings.

Sure, there is firearm-related crime elsewhere, but real mass shootings are on college campuses.

Source?

I want to see a source claiming that we have mass shootings every couple of months, forget where.

But you're more than welcome to search any news archive. It will back up my claims.
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Postby EvilDarkMagicians » Wed Jun 02, 2010 2:20 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
EvilDarkMagicians wrote:
Brogavia wrote:I would rather deal with the random mass shooting, than worship the queen and drink tea.


Why?

Also we don't worship the queen. And we really don't drink tea that much tea.

Lies! It's a stereotype so it must be true...


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Postby SaintB » Wed Jun 02, 2010 2:22 pm

Did I make it in before the crazy right-winger claiming that if the UK had less gun laws it could have been prevented by private citizens going Wild West on them?
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Postby Tyrrin » Wed Jun 02, 2010 2:24 pm

Arkinesia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:
Arkinesia wrote:After Virginia Tech three years ago, we banned firearm use on college and university campuses, and since then, only colleges and universities have experienced mass shootings.

Sure, there is firearm-related crime elsewhere, but real mass shootings are on college campuses.

Source?

I want to see a source claiming that we have mass shootings every couple of months, forget where.

But you're more than welcome to search any news archive. It will back up my claims.

Wasn't there that Ft. Hood deal? Pretty sure that wasn't a school.

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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jun 02, 2010 2:25 pm

Arkinesia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:
Arkinesia wrote:After Virginia Tech three years ago, we banned firearm use on college and university campuses, and since then, only colleges and universities have experienced mass shootings.

Sure, there is firearm-related crime elsewhere, but real mass shootings are on college campuses.

Source?

I want to see a source claiming that we have mass shootings every couple of months, forget where.

Well ask the person who posted it. And in the mean time, provide sources for your own claims.
1) Use of firearms was banned on college and university campuses following V-Tech
2) All serious mass-shootings since then were carried out on college or university campuses.

And if you find a correlation, kindly demonstrate causation.

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Postby EvilDarkMagicians » Wed Jun 02, 2010 2:25 pm

SaintB wrote:Did I make it in before the crazy right-winger claiming that if the UK had less gun laws it could have been prevented by private citizens going Wild West on them?


Nope.

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Postby SaintB » Wed Jun 02, 2010 2:25 pm

EvilDarkMagicians wrote:
SaintB wrote:Did I make it in before the crazy right-winger claiming that if the UK had less gun laws it could have been prevented by private citizens going Wild West on them?


Nope.

Damn :(
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Postby Arkinesia » Wed Jun 02, 2010 2:37 pm

Tyrrin wrote:
Arkinesia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:
Arkinesia wrote:After Virginia Tech three years ago, we banned firearm use on college and university campuses, and since then, only colleges and universities have experienced mass shootings.

Sure, there is firearm-related crime elsewhere, but real mass shootings are on college campuses.

Source?

I want to see a source claiming that we have mass shootings every couple of months, forget where.

But you're more than welcome to search any news archive. It will back up my claims.

Wasn't there that Ft. Hood deal? Pretty sure that wasn't a school.

Point. Hadn't remembered that one.
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Postby Flammable Ice » Wed Jun 02, 2010 2:46 pm

SaintB wrote:Did I make it in before the crazy right-winger claiming that if the UK had less gun laws it could have been prevented by private citizens going Wild West on them?

I envy your optimism.

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Postby SaintB » Wed Jun 02, 2010 2:49 pm

Flammable Ice wrote:
SaintB wrote:Did I make it in before the crazy right-winger claiming that if the UK had less gun laws it could have been prevented by private citizens going Wild West on them?

I envy your optimism.

It wasn't optimism, I just wanted to post :In before gun nut. But now I can't...
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Postby Dyakovo » Wed Jun 02, 2010 2:54 pm

EvilDarkMagicians wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:
EvilDarkMagicians wrote:
Brogavia wrote:I would rather deal with the random mass shooting, than worship the queen and drink tea.


Why?

Also we don't worship the queen. And we really don't drink tea that much tea.

Lies! It's a stereotype so it must be true...


I put my hands up

We use earl grey instead of IV drips.

Ewww....
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Postby SaintB » Wed Jun 02, 2010 2:57 pm

Katganistan wrote:Terrible shame. Any theories on why he allegedly did it?

He got lost on his way to the US?
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Postby Dyakovo » Wed Jun 02, 2010 2:58 pm

Katganistan wrote:Terrible shame. Any theories on why he allegedly did it?

All the tea drinking drove him insane...

Oh! You meant official theories...
Nevermind...
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Postby Christmahanikwanzikah » Wed Jun 02, 2010 2:59 pm

Hydesland wrote:
Wilgrove wrote:Why obviously this is because of the gun culture.....

Oh wait....

:P


Dude, couldn't you have waited for a few pages first?


Why wait?

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Postby North Wiedna » Wed Jun 02, 2010 3:16 pm

Nadkor wrote:*snip*

True, the UK may have less mass shootings, but in no way does that denote that the laws are working.
Russia has 0.201534 per 1,000 people (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita). The US has 0.042802 per 1,000 people. Most handguns are legal here in the US, however in Russia they are not,
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Postby Chumblywumbly » Wed Jun 02, 2010 3:35 pm

Katganistan wrote:Terrible shame. Any theories on why he allegedly did it?

None that are based on anything worthy.

I'm sure we'll here details as the investigation continues. The police spokesman was being very cagey in his statement earlier tonight.
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Postby Nadkor » Wed Jun 02, 2010 4:05 pm

North Wiedna wrote:
Nadkor wrote:*snip*

True, the UK may have less mass shootings, but in no way does that denote that the laws are working.
Russia has 0.201534 per 1,000 people (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita). The US has 0.042802 per 1,000 people. Most handguns are legal here in the US, however in Russia they are not,
No handguns, no full-auto. Very rare exception -- retired high-rank officers guns given in reward, usually such guns carry rich engraving and golden plates with officer name, congratulations, etc; it's only exception when civilian given license for the rest of life;

http://www.gunlab.com.ru/summary.html


Well, you might have had a point had I claimed gun laws were responsible for the fact that there are fewer mass shootings in the UK. But I didn't.

Please do feel free, though, to carry on making completely irrelevant points.
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Postby Garimidia » Wed Jun 02, 2010 9:42 pm

Twelve people have been killed and 25 injured by a gunman who opened fire in west Cumbria.

A body thought to be that of the suspect - taxi driver Derrick Bird - has been found in the Boot area.

The first fatality was in Whitehaven before the gunman drove south, apparently shooting people at random.

Witnesses said the suspect drove through the town with a gun hanging out of his car window, before heading south through Gosforth and Seascale.

A GP in the town of Seascale said he and a colleague had later certified two other people dead.

Dr Barrie Walker said: "The surgery was called and I went out. I've certified one of them dead. My colleague saw another," he said.

"At present there are two people dead and one seriously injured in Seascale. I know one of the victims. She was in the street.

"The second person was on a bicycle and was shot on the bike."

BBC Look North Chief Reporter Chris Stewart said a farmer is also believed to have been killed in the Gosforth area.

After the shootings, detectives said 52-year-old Mr Bird drove to the central Lakes in a Citroen Picasso, then abandoned it in the Boot area.

Before the body was discovered people living nearby were urged to stay indoors for their own protection.

Helicopters and armed officers from other police forces were brought in to help apprehend the gunman.

Soon afterwards, Deputy Chief Constable Stuart Hyde said: "I can confirm that we've found a body in a wooded area near Boot which we believe to be Mr Bird, together with a firearm.

"A formal identification will be made later."


Full story: Here (BBC)
Wikipedia: Here

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Postby Zykorinov » Wed Jun 02, 2010 9:43 pm

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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Wed Jun 02, 2010 9:44 pm

Zykorinov wrote:Repeat thread is a repeat.


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