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Postby Bradfordville » Mon Oct 09, 2023 11:48 am

Saiwana wrote:It should be questioned as to whether Gilad Shalit was a good soldier or not? Why'd he get captured to begin with? He ought to make amends if he was taken by surprise but if he knew of the attack, it was his duty to fight back until at least his ammo and grenades were all expended.


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Postby Fahran » Mon Oct 09, 2023 11:48 am

Zurkerx wrote:Hamas is now open to discussing a truce with Israel, saying they have "achieved its targets."

This is nice to hear (if their word can be trusted), but the damage is done. And I doubt Bibi would want to negotiate: he seems hellbent on destroying them.

It's probably not politically feasible to negotiate at this point.
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Postby Bradfordville » Mon Oct 09, 2023 11:49 am

I've heard that explosions are being constantly heard in Gaza at this moment. If true, it sounds like Israel has already commenced Operation Dresden. There cannot be that many hamas targets that the explosions can be an endless roar.
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Oct 09, 2023 11:49 am

Saiwana wrote:It should be questioned as to whether Gilad Shalit was a good soldier or not? Why'd he get captured to begin with? He ought to make amends if he was taken by surprise but if he knew of the attack, it was his duty to fight back until at least his ammo and grenades were all expended.

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Postby Ifreann » Mon Oct 09, 2023 11:51 am

Bradfordville wrote:What did hamas even expect to gain by killing random foreigners with little connection to this conflict in the most brutal of ways possible? Forget a moral standpoint and consider just a practical one. Hamas has 130 hostages of varying nationalities. They could potentially gain some leverage by holding these people till their demands are met, and instead they literally beheaded a filipino and murdered and paraded a German woman through town. It's like hamas is trying to get the whole goddam planet on Israel's side. I don't wanna get to into the debate of "who is worse," but can you get much worse than brutally murdering random people who aren't your enemy and could just go home?

You ask this as if we should assume that this monstruous behaviour was specifically planned by Hamas. As if they sent people out with orders to find a Filipino woman to behead. Which doesn't seem likely.
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Oct 09, 2023 11:51 am

Zurkerx wrote:Hamas is now open to discussing a truce with Israel, saying they have "achieved its targets."

This is nice to hear (if their word can be trusted), but the damage is done. And I doubt Bibi would want to negotiate: he seems hellbent on destroying them.

My guess is Bibi might do it.

Just because the death toll keeps climbing and a ground invasion is going to cause Israeli deaths to skyrocket.

Or he’s going to genocide Gazans
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Postby The Fortem » Mon Oct 09, 2023 11:52 am

It should have never gotten to this point. Lose/lose scenario all around.
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Postby Velstrania » Mon Oct 09, 2023 11:53 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:Hamas is now open to discussing a truce with Israel, saying they have "achieved its targets."

This is nice to hear (if their word can be trusted), but the damage is done. And I doubt Bibi would want to negotiate: he seems hellbent on destroying them.

My guess is Bibi might do it.

Just because the death toll keeps climbing and a ground invasion is going to cause Israeli deaths to skyrocket.

Or he’s going to genocide Gazans

May do it in order to appease the people he actually wants to make peace with (like Saudi) but may also end up doing the other thing because there are some truly hardline nutjobs in his party. He has a very big decision to make.

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Postby Fractalnavel » Mon Oct 09, 2023 11:54 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:Hamas is now open to discussing a truce with Israel, saying they have "achieved its targets."

This is nice to hear (if their word can be trusted), but the damage is done. And I doubt Bibi would want to negotiate: he seems hellbent on destroying them.

My guess is Bibi might do it.

Just because the death toll keeps climbing and a ground invasion is going to cause Israeli deaths to skyrocket.

Or he’s going to genocide Gazans

Wtf, you don't attack another country and then call a time-out because you got yours.

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Postby Zurkerx » Mon Oct 09, 2023 11:56 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:Hamas is now open to discussing a truce with Israel, saying they have "achieved its targets."

This is nice to hear (if their word can be trusted), but the damage is done. And I doubt Bibi would want to negotiate: he seems hellbent on destroying them.

My guess is Bibi might do it.

Just because the death toll keeps climbing and a ground invasion is going to cause Israeli deaths to skyrocket.

Or he’s going to genocide Gazans


I'm not sure if he will. After all, this attack from Hamas has killed many more than other conflicts they waged. My guess is he may commit geocide (no indication either way which way he will go). They're already targeting medical teams and hospitals too, apparently.

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Thermodolia wrote:My guess is Bibi might do it.

Just because the death toll keeps climbing and a ground invasion is going to cause Israeli deaths to skyrocket.

Or he’s going to genocide Gazans

May do it in order to appease the people he actually wants to make peace with (like Saudi) but may also end up doing the other thing because there are some truly hardline nutjobs in his party. He has a very big decision to make.


The Saudis have reportedly ended talks at this time so I doubt if Israel will just end everything in hopes to resume talks. Plus, Bibi said "hard days are coming" for Israel and air attacks in Gaza are only the beginning.
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Postby Fahran » Mon Oct 09, 2023 11:56 am

Ifreann wrote:You ask this as if we should assume that this monstruous behaviour was specifically planned by Hamas. As if they sent people out with orders to find a Filipino woman to behead. Which doesn't seem likely.

You're giving Hamas more credit than they deserve. The killing and torture of civilians was very much intentional.
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Postby The African Emirates » Mon Oct 09, 2023 11:57 am

Theodorable wrote:Jihad will win.


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Postby Velstrania » Mon Oct 09, 2023 11:58 am

Zurkerx wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:My guess is Bibi might do it.

Just because the death toll keeps climbing and a ground invasion is going to cause Israeli deaths to skyrocket.

Or he’s going to genocide Gazans


I'm not sure if he will. After all, this attack from Hamas has killed many more than other conflicts they waged. My guess is he may commit geocide (no indication either way which way he will go). They're already targeting medical teams and hospitals too, apparently.

Velstrania wrote:May do it in order to appease the people he actually wants to make peace with (like Saudi) but may also end up doing the other thing because there are some truly hardline nutjobs in his party. He has a very big decision to make.


The Saudis have reportedly ended talks at this time so I doubt if Israel will just end everything in hopes to resume talks.

I live in false hope a lot of the time, so there's that.

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Postby Fahran » Mon Oct 09, 2023 11:58 am

Theodorable wrote:Jihad will win.

Well, at least you're honest about holding loathsome views. I wish you had been a bit more overt so that we could have given the mods the excuse they need to rub you from the forums.
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Postby Zurkerx » Mon Oct 09, 2023 11:59 am

Velstrania wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:
I'm not sure if he will. After all, this attack from Hamas has killed many more than other conflicts they waged. My guess is he may commit geocide (no indication either way which way he will go). They're already targeting medical teams and hospitals too, apparently.



The Saudis have reportedly ended talks at this time so I doubt if Israel will just end everything in hopes to resume talks.

I live in false hope a lot of the time, so there's that.


It doesn't help either that Bibi said the air attacks in Gaza are just the beginning and that "hard days are coming" for Israel. Those words sound from a man ready for war.

And yep, he seems ready for a ground offensive too.
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Postby Velstrania » Mon Oct 09, 2023 12:01 pm

Zurkerx wrote:
Velstrania wrote:I live in false hope a lot of the time, so there's that.


It doesn't help either that Bibi said the air attacks in Gaza are just the beginning and that "hard days are coming" for Israel. Those words sound from a man ready for war.

Yeah, you're probs right. The only way it ends is if he's pressured to do that, but I don't see Biden doing any such thing.

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Postby Saiwana » Mon Oct 09, 2023 12:02 pm

Israel doesn't need a deal with Saudi Arabia, if they back out because of what Palestinians pulled, hell with them. Saudi had no good faith intention to begin with. Netanyahu is a coward if he doesn't at minimum destroy Gaza for what they did.
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Theodorable wrote:Jihad will win.

Israel will probably bag the military victory.

Though in the long run, nobody will win.
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Postby Theodorable » Mon Oct 09, 2023 12:03 pm

Fahran wrote:
Theodorable wrote:Jihad will win.

Well, at least you're honest about holding loathsome views. I wish you had been a bit more overt so that we could have given the mods the excuse they need to rub you from the forums.

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Postby Velstrania » Mon Oct 09, 2023 12:04 pm

Saiwana wrote:Israel doesn't need a deal with Saudi Arabia, if they back out because of what Palestinians pulled, hell with them. Saudi had no good faith intention to begin with. Netanyahu is a coward if he doesn't at minimum destroy Gaza for what they did.

If he doesn't destroy the lives (or kill) millions of people, half of whom are children, for what their unelected leaders did?

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Mon Oct 09, 2023 12:04 pm

Theodorable wrote:Jihad will win.

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Postby Theodorable » Mon Oct 09, 2023 12:04 pm

Karakalpaqstan wrote:
Theodorable wrote:Jihad will win.

Israel will probably bag the military victory.

Though in the long run, nobody will win.

Israeli victory will come when the spirits of the Palestinian people are broken beyond a shadow of a doubt. That will never happen. They have won the battle, not the war.
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